The Killing Of The United States of America

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are the biggest idiot on this board. The reason more Democrats voted by mail is because they took the coronavirus threat seriously.It shows that they are smarter than you are. The fact is that voting does not have to be painful or time consuming. This is the 21st century. I suppose you would have us driving around in a horse and buggy.

Then why did creepy Joe have a record turnout, because he was so exciting, great polices and popular? I swear, if I ever tried to sell somebody a bridge, I would make sure it was a leftist because you suckers will believe anything.

If you can't get your lazy worthless ass out to the polls and vote, then you have no business voting in the first place. It means you really don't care because you don't even know WTF you're voting on which is prime Democrat voters. Covid? Fine, go with that. But why are the commies pushing for it to be a regular thing after Covid is long gone? We both know why, but you're not honest enough to admit why.

 

[Lastamender]

Your definition of communism is simple. It is anything you disagree with. Voters are closer to Democrats on issues than they are Trump Republicans. That is why you clowns falsely say Dr Seuss is being banned. You are the ones dividing the country and white supremacists are Republicans now. Ronald Reagan had a agenda and he worked with liberal Republicans and Democrats to get sweeping tax cuts and and tax reform. Nazis like you have a lot of gall calling others communists.

My definition of Communism is what's on the US Communist website. You won't even bother to look at it because you're afraid it would tell you what you actually are, and the leaders you vote on. Because if you bothered to do that, you'd see their agenda is almost identical to the Democrat party that you support.

Nazis? Your people just impeached a President for exercising his constitutional right of free speech. It's your people who are working on disarming law abiding citizens. It's your party that's trying to rig our voting system so this country will be a one-party government. Those are the Nazis.

You are a Russian communist. You want to make it as hard as possible for people to vote. The more hoops people have to go through the more likely they are to mess up. Apparently that is the only way you can win. Republican lawyers in a Supreme Court election case, admitted the only reason they passed certain election laws was so they can win. I have seen the Communist Party website and it is surprisingly bland. They are more left leaning than they are radical.

Your sylogism is a non sequitur, NAZI. Complying with perfectl reasonable measures to make sure you are a legal voter is not communism any more than the free market is anarchy. No one is swallowing your latest Dim talking points. People aren't as stupid as you think they are.

There is nothing reasonable about what Republicans want to do. They even admitted in the Supreme Court hearing on several Arizona election laws that these laws were passed so Republicans can win. You Nazis clearly know you can't win elections when people are able to freely vote.

The election laws are to insure legal votes. Republicans win when there are only legal votes. The Democrats are just admitting they have to cheat.

No they do not. Trump and the Republicans have admitted the larger the turnout the less likely Republicans are to win. Biden won fair and square.

There was massive fraud. If you are dumb enough to think there was not I feel for you.

 

[basquebromance]

no one kills the USA. NOBODY. Period. end of discussion

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[JoeB131]

Did they. Exactly when they agree to a top down, one size fits all take over of all elections, by 271 commies?

When they voted to give Democrats the Presidency and both houses of Congress.

 

[Care4all]

They probably would if they actually heard the evidence.

But the lawyers would not present the 'evidence' as they weren't alleging fraud. How come you don't get that?

You're right, they were arguing process, which makes it real hard to gain standing. It was the process that left the door wide open for fraud.

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It was lack of standing, which is lack of legal argument, lack of evidence, etc...

No case is simply denied by a judge without review.

The lawyers put forth their legal arguments and best supporting evidence in their legal briefs, the judge goes through the legal briefs and determines if the case has legal merit.

Those cases shot down were reviewed by the judges, before ruling against the Trump team of lawyers.

"Lack os standing" does not mean "lack of evidence" or "lack of legal argument," dingbat. Why do you even bother jumping in when you're such a dumbass? An example of a case that lacks standing is if I sued someone for copyright infringement, but I wasn't the author of the piece that was copied.

The fact that turds as dumb as you can vote is truly scary.

Ok, lack of standing or without merit, was why many of the cases were lost by trump and friends.

That does not change my position that the court briefs for the suits, were all reviewed by all judges, in every single court suit brought... The judges judged, on the cases brought forth by examining the legal briefs with alleged evidence presented by the legal team's briefs who were involved.....

Trump and his allies filed more than 40 lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results. All of them failed.

Since Donald Trump lost in November 2020, Republicans have filed dozens of lawsuits challenging the presidential election results. They've won zero.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Care4all]

No, your denial is simply a lie.
What you don't like about voting by mail is that your ability to do your traditional voter suppression activities won't work.
Move the polling spots...no problem already mailed in the ballot;
Not enough working polling machines...no problem already mailed in the ballot;
Fake cops at polling places...no problem already mailed in the ballot;

So now your leaders are having to come up with more creative strategies than your Neanderthal tactics of the past.

BUT...You've pissed them off
Your stuff didn't work in 2018
Didn't work in 2020
Won't work in the future.

Stacy and AOC will see to that.

I know they will, and so will Piglosi and Whorris after they pass this voting bill. I have no idea why you people didn't leave this country and move to North Korea or Cuba where their government and society is more to your liking. We had a great country until liberalism ruined it for us. Now they are trying to fix it so Republicans can never have power again. When any country has a single-party government, tyranny takes place.

Now we will quickly slip into Socialism, and then Communism which are just about the same thing. The Great Experiment is ending, and it's ending because of people like you who support the Communists.

Thanks for admitting that Republicans can't win without cheating.

Isn't it too bad Republicans forgot how to run on policy and issues rather than on lies and corruption?

Indeed.

In the recent SCOTUS case, the lawyer for the Arizona Republicans attempting to pass draconian anti-voter laws said as much. They can't win on ideas so they need to change the rules to favor them.

That means disenfranchising voters.

Disgusting.

If "we the people" are to mean anything at all anymore, we need this bill.

No that means that ballots aren't sent to ineligible voters, many of whom no longer reside in the State.

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Ballots are sent to LEGALLY REGISTERED voters at their LEGALLY REGISTERED address.

Claims that people voted illegally are specious at best and outright lies for the most part.

Voter Fraud Map: Election Fraud Database | The Heritage Foundation

Explore a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. The database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

www.heritage.org

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Right. Fewer than 1/100th of a percent of voter fraud cases out of all votes cast for the past 30 years....

Heritage foundation just proves what we've been saying all along.... Its minimal.

 

[Care4all]

Trump and his allies filed more than 40 lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results. All of them failed.

Since Donald Trump lost in November 2020, Republicans have filed dozens of lawsuits challenging the presidential election results. They've won zero.

www.businessinsider.com

Here's a list of the lawsuits and where they stand
Direct appeals to the Supreme Court — 3 losses

• Several Republican politicians, led by Rep. Mike Kelly, asked the US Supreme Court to block the certification of Pennsylvania's election results. The court turned down the case.
• Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin in the US Supreme Court seeking to overturn their election results. The Supreme Court rejected the case.
• The Trump campaign asked the US Supreme Court to overturn three decisions from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court over various technical rules regarding absentee and mail-in ballots. The court rejected the case on February 22, declaring it moot.

Pennsylvania — 13 losses

• The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee filed a lawsuit asking a state appeals court to reject the Pennsylvania secretary of state's announcement that registered voters had until November 12 to provide proof of identity for mail-in ballots. Republicans believe the deadline should be November 9. This is the one case that Trump won, before the state Supreme Court overturned the lower court decision.
• In a wide-ranging federal lawsuit, the Trump campaign sued over alleged irregularities in the way ballots were counted throughout the state. They've argued that 14,000 votes should be thrown out. The campaign submitted a revised version of the lawsuit days later that retracted many of its original allegations. A judge threw out the case, saying Trump's lawyers presented the court "with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpaid in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence." An appeal of the case also failed.
• Another federal lawsuit brought by Republicans sought to delay the deadline for ballot requests. The judge rejected it.
• A third federal lawsuit sought to stop the Montgomery County Board of Elections from allowing voters to "cure" their ballots — a process that allows people to fix clerical errors on their ballots to make sure their votes count. Republicans abandoned the lawsuit and withdrew from the case.
• The campaign sued in yet another federal case to stop Philadelphia County from counting votes without Republicans present. The judge dismissed the case after Trump's lawyers said Republican election watchers were, in fact, present.
• In another Montgomery County case, this one filed in a local court, Trump's lawyers sought to stop the county from counting mail-in ballots. The lawyers withdrew from the case.
• A lawsuit in Bucks County filed by Republican congressional candidate Kathy Barnette on Election Day made a technical challenge on the county's method of organizing ballots before counting them. She withdrew the case two days later and lost the election.
• The Trump campaign appealed that Bucks County case soon afterward, but a judge rejected it and pointed out in his ruling that fraud wasn't an issue.
• In a state court, Republicans challenged an instruction from the Secretary of State's office regarding provisional ballots. A state appellate court judge dismissed the request but ordered the secretary of state to segregate provisional ballots in case their validity becomes contested.
• Local Republicans sought to stop Northampton County from revealing the identities of people whose ballots were canceled and lost the case.
• A group of Pennsylvania Republicans lost at the state Supreme Court with a lawsuit trying to invalidate absentee voting after the voting period already ended, and trying to block the certification of election results.
• Another group of Republicans filed a similar lawsuit and lost.
• The Trump campaign filed a motion to intervene in a Supreme Court case brought by Republicans that centers on the deadline by which Pennsylvania officials are allowed to receive ballots. Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruled that officials could receive ballots until November 6 as long as they are postmarked by Election Day. Republicans appealed the decision to the high court, which was deadlocked at 4-4 because Justice Amy Coney Barrett did not participate, leaving the lower court's ruling in place. The Supreme Court signaled it could hear the case again but has not granted the request to intervene.

Nevada cases

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Nevada — 4 losses

• The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit requesting that ballots stop being counted in the state over concerns about signature-matching technology and election observers' claims that they weren't being allowed to watch ballots being processed closely enough. The Nevada Supreme Court denied the request.
• The Trump campaign and the RNC filed a lawsuit in state court asking to stop ballot counting in Clark County — a heavily Democratic area — until GOP officials could observe the process. A district judge rejected the request on the grounds that the plaintiffs did not have evidence to back up their allegations. Republicans appealed the case to the Nevada Supreme Court, which said on November 5 that the campaign and Republican officials had reached a settlement that allowed expanded ballot observation. They later withdrew the case.
• A group of Republicans dropped a lawsuit in Clark County challenging mail-in ballots, including those sent by members of the military.
• The Trump campaign filed a different lawsuit in Carson City District Court alleging multiple irregularities that the campaign claimed, without providing specific evidence, would be enough to overturn the election results in Nevada and flip the state to Trump. It failed.

 

[Care4all]

From the same link above...


Georgia — 5 losses

• A judge in Chatham County denied the Trump campaign's request to toss out 53 ballots that a GOP poll watcher said arrived after polls closed at 7 p.m. on November 3. The Washington Post reported that the poll watcher presented no evidence in court that the ballots came in late and that county officials testified that they were received in time.
• Republican elector Lin Wood, whose attorney also represents the Trump campaign, sued to stop vote certification because. He argued that because the Georgia Secretary of State agreed to allow signature matching on ballots — a measure designed to prevent voter fraud — eight months before the election, his rights as an individual voter had been infringed upon. A state judge dismissed the case, saying the arguments have "no basis in fact and law."
• Wood filed another lawsuit in federal court and lost that one as well, losing again upon appeal.
• Sidney Powell, who was kicked off of Trump's legal team after spreading numerous conspiracy theories about election fraud, filed a federal lawsuit in Georgia alleging widespread election fraud. A federal judge quickly dismissed the case, calling it "extraordinary" that the lawsuit sought to disqualify the votes of millions of voters.
• Nearly two months after he lost the election, Trump sued Georgia Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brian Raffensperger seeking to "de-certify" the election, arguing that it wasn't carried out in accordance with Georgia law. Trump withdrew the case on January 7, according to court records reviewed by Insider.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Right. Fewer than 1/100th of a percent of voter fraud cases out of all votes cast for the past 30 years....

Heritage foundation just proves what we've been saying all along.... Its minimal.

You don't know that. All you know is about the people who got caught. It's like people on a certain highway driving 25 mph over the speed limit. If there is never any police on that highway, nobody knows it's common to speed there.

 

[Care4all]

From the same link above:

Michigan — 5 losses

• In a federal lawsuit, the Trump campaign alleged a number of irregularities — such as that GOP election observers were told to stand six feet away from ballot counters because of the coronavirus — meant that Michigan should not certify its votes. The Trump campaign withdrew the lawsuit, with Rudy Giuliani falsely declaring it achieved the result the campaign wanted.
• A judge on the Michigan Court of Claims denied the Trump campaign's request to stop counting ballots in the state. Judge Cynthia Stephens said litigating the issue didn't make sense given that ballots in Michigan had more or less been fully counted.
• A poll challenger named Sarah Stoddard and a group called the Election Integrity Fund filed a lawsuit seeking to stop the certification of election results in Detroit, claiming that absentee ballots were improperly reviewed. Judge Timothy Kenny denied the motion on the grounds that there was no proof that election oversight protocol hadn't been followed. Kenny issued another ruling later denying other motions, including a request for an additional audit of the election.
• A Republican-aligned law firm called the Great Lakes Justice Center filed a lawsuit in Wayne County's Circuit Court against Detroit and Wayne County alleging "massive fraud in the election vote-counting procedures" and calling for an entirely new election. A judge denied the case.
• Trump ally Sidney Powell also has a federal lawsuit pending in Michigan. It asks the judge to "de-certify" the state's electoral votes, which have already gone to Biden. The lawsuit has numerous typos and cites voting statistics from a county that does not exist. A judge ruled against her and issued a scathing 35-page opinion tearing it down on multiple fronts. She has appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court, which has not yet decided whether to take the case.

 

[Care4all]

Right. Fewer than 1/100th of a percent of voter fraud cases out of all votes cast for the past 30 years....

Heritage foundation just proves what we've been saying all along.... Its minimal.

You don't know that. All you know is about the people who got caught. It's like people on a certain highway driving 25 mph over the speed limit. If there is never any police on that highway, nobody knows it's common to speed there.

The point stands, there is individual fraud that does take place, but not enough to change the results of any, presidential election.

 

[Care4all]

Here is Arizona cases from the Business insider article...



Arizona — 4 losses

• The Trump campaign joined a lawsuit brought by two Republicans in Maricopa County claiming that a substantial number of GOP ballots were invalidated because voters used Sharpies to fill in their choices. There is no evidence that using Sharpies leads to issues with scanning ballots, and, in fact, officials have said using Sharpies is preferred. The Post also reported that the Maricopa County attorney's office said no ballots were rejected and that if they are, voters have an opportunity to cast another one. A Republican-aligned group abandoned the legal fight after Maricopa County officials challenged the factual basis for the lawsuit, and the Trump campaign lost the fight soon afterward.
• The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit in state court alleging that Maricopa County was improperly rejecting ballots cast by some voters. The lawsuit was dismissed after an audit found no problems with the votes.
• Arizona's Supreme Court unanimously rejected a case from the state GOP chair Kelli Ward, saying the facts she presented were incorrect and that she "fails to present any evidence of misconduct."
• Powell filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn election results as well, based on a conspiracy theory about voting machines used in the state. A judge dismissed the case.

 

[Care4all]

Here's Wisconsin. Trump and his allies filed more than 40 lawsuits challenging the 2020 election results. All of them failed.

Wisconsin — 7 losses

• The Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected a case from the Trump campaign seeking to overturn election results.
• Trump personally filed a similar lawsuit in a federal court in Wisconsin. A Trump-appointed federal judge said he had standing to bring the case — a rare departure from other judges — and then ruled against him. An appeal failed as well, with the author of the appellate opinion also a Trump appointee.
• Wisconsin Voters Alliance, a right-wing group, sued the state elections commission and asked the state Supreme Court to throw out votes and have the Republican-controlled state legislature select the electoral college winner themselves. The state Supreme Court rejected it, saying it had little basis in fact.
• Wisconsin Voter Alliance also sued a number of defendants in Washington, DC, including Vice President Mike Pence, both houses of Congress, and the Electoral College, trying to block the certification of Wisconsin's votes as well as those of other states. A federal judge threw out the case, blasted it as an attempted "undermining of a democratic election" full of falsehoods, and said he would refer the attorneys for sanctions.
• Another lawsuit backed by the Republican-aligned Amos Center for Justice and Liberty argued that the use of ballot drop-boxes was illegal. It also asked that the state Supreme Court should throw out every vote cast and have the GOP legislature select the state's electoral votes. A judge ruled it moot.
• A lawsuit from Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, another Trump ally, makes numerous conspiratorial claims about the election. A federal judge criticized it for containing errors and typos, and one person listed as plaintiff said they never signed up to be a part of the lawsuit, later dismissing the case.
• Trump and Pence personally sued Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris in a state court seeking to overturn votes in two Wisconsin counties with large Black populations, both of which sided with Democrats. A judge threw out the case. When Trump appealed the case, another judge rejected it and said it "smacks of racism." An appeal to the Supreme Court also failed.

 

[Dadoalex]

And that is simply a denial of reality. Or, more accurately, a Republican lie.

Would you like the quotes from Republicans admitting to suppression and that suppression is the only way Republicans can win?

It's a leftist lie to try and gain support to stop Voter-ID. Democrats hate Voter-ID because their lazy welfare constituents won't go through the trouble to get one. So instead, they called it voter suppression. Forget the fact that they could never explain how one system only effected their voters. They just feed you this crap and you buy it without question.

OK. I'll help.

No more vote by mail for anyone
ID required
Redraw and consolidate all precincts so that the poorest most racially segregated parts of any community is in each precinct
Eliminate all but 1 voting machine in each precinct
Move the polling location to the poorest neighborhoods
Have the polls and lines guarded by BLM activists

There ya go Klanboy. Experience some "suppression free" voting just like the people you hate.

 

[berg80]

It's much more than that, but there is nothing wrong with the way we do it now.

I'm hoping you said that out of ignorance and not malice.

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[Dadoalex]

No, your denial is simply a lie.
What you don't like about voting by mail is that your ability to do your traditional voter suppression activities won't work.
Move the polling spots...no problem already mailed in the ballot;
Not enough working polling machines...no problem already mailed in the ballot;
Fake cops at polling places...no problem already mailed in the ballot;

So now your leaders are having to come up with more creative strategies than your Neanderthal tactics of the past.

BUT...You've pissed them off
Your stuff didn't work in 2018
Didn't work in 2020
Won't work in the future.

Stacy and AOC will see to that.

I know they will, and so will Piglosi and Whorris after they pass this voting bill. I have no idea why you people didn't leave this country and move to North Korea or Cuba where their government and society is more to your liking. We had a great country until liberalism ruined it for us. Now they are trying to fix it so Republicans can never have power again. When any country has a single-party government, tyranny takes place.

Now we will quickly slip into Socialism, and then Communism which are just about the same thing. The Great Experiment is ending, and it's ending because of people like you who support the Communists.

Thanks for admitting that Republicans can't win without cheating.

Isn't it too bad Republicans forgot how to run on policy and issues rather than on lies and corruption?

Indeed.

In the recent SCOTUS case, the lawyer for the Arizona Republicans attempting to pass draconian anti-voter laws said as much. They can't win on ideas so they need to change the rules to favor them.

That means disenfranchising voters.

Disgusting.

If "we the people" are to mean anything at all anymore, we need this bill.

No that means that ballots aren't sent to ineligible voters, many of whom no longer reside in the State.

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Ballots are sent to LEGALLY REGISTERED voters at their LEGALLY REGISTERED address.

Claims that people voted illegally are specious at best and outright lies for the most part.

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REALLY...OH REALLY...OH THANK YOU SO MUCH...

Uhm....

Your source goes back to 1982 and lists some 1,600 instances of "fraud" spread across 40 years.
For reference we've had 11 presidential elections counting some 800 MILLION votes and an additional 11 federal elections plus special elections generating some 600,000 votes plus primaries and local elections. Conservatively, so to speak, 1600 cases out of 1.5 BILLION votes.

For the math disabled that percentage is .0000107 percent.

Thank you for proving very clearly that all the screaming about fraud is just that. FRAUD!

And? I just posted it to prove they aren't outright lies, and I bet the 1,600 legitimate voters that had their votes cancelled would take it so lightly.

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You posted it to prove that fraud is such a small concern as to be legally and statistically insignificant?

Well, you proved your point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

OK. I'll help.

No more vote by mail for anyone
ID required
Redraw and consolidate all precincts so that the poorest most racially segregated parts of any community is in each precinct
Eliminate all but 1 voting machine in each precinct
Move the polling location to the poorest neighborhoods
Have the polls and lines guarded by BLM activists

There ya go Klanboy. Experience some "suppression free" voting just like the people you hate.

I have a better idea: leave our election system alone. You want to vote, fine, go vote, but do it in person like we've done since the founding of our country.

 

[berg80]

Mail in ballots were exspected to be heavier for Democrats and given those counties went heavily for Biden the percentages are not surprising.

Of course they were, because Democrats are lazy good for nothings, so of course they expected more mail-in Biden ballots. It only goes to prove my point that the commies want lazy good for nothings voting because they are politically ignorant voters who will vote Democrat.

You are the biggest idiot on this board. The reason more Democrats voted by mail is because they took the coronavirus threat seriously.It shows that they are smarter than you are. The fact is that voting does not have to be painful or time consuming. This is the 21st century. I suppose you would have us driving around in a horse and buggy.

I've come to the conclusion he must be a plant making idiotic posts to get responses. Cuz nobody could be that stupid.

 

[Dadoalex]

What SPECIFICALLY don't you like about the bill?

What's to like in the bill? It forces states to run elections the Democrats way. It forces them to have automatic voter registration, must have mail-in voting, must allow same day registration and voting. It's a Democrat dream come true to guarantee them a single-party government forever, which of course means this is the end of the Great Experiment if they get it through.

What you mean to say here is that the bill guarantees everyone the right to vote and limits Republicans ability to engage in their 40 year campaign of voter suppression.

Glad I could help you with that.

Nothing but commie talking points, do you ever have an original thought? Not everyone has a right to vote.

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Original thought?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

From the land of Hannity comes the joke of the day!!!!!

 

[Dadoalex]

I've seen the parts I need to but, I'm not the one bitching and the question remains...

I'm curious as to what drives people who are enthusiastic about legislating without knowing what they are legislating.
I have read many documents in my life where X number of goods things are set off balance by Y bad things.

And yet, with all that reading, still can't tell us what you don't like about the bill.

Let me help you...Black people get to vote.

ZOINKS! A real hypocritical mystery there Scooby!

Black people can't currently vote? Could've fooled me.

They voted in Georgia and the Dems won the Senate.

Look at what happens when Republican voter suppression fails, progress is made!