The Lazy Poor

[PoliticalChic]

I'm pretty sure PC is a stay at home mom, which means someone else supports her,

and she doesn't work for it.

I guess that makes her one of the lazy ones.

she claims to be a christain mom who home schools her kids.

does she teach them to hate poor people just like Jesus preached?

Still can't confront the message, huh?


(But I do like being the center of attention....)

 

[Againsheila]

Obviously the solution is to outlaw abortion and stop funding contraception so the poor can have more kids they can't sustain.

The same rules have always applied to avoid poverty:

1. Finish high school

2. Have a job for at least a year.

3. Marry before one has children.

I know quite a few people who are living in poverty who finished high school and never had kids. All of them have been laid off and can't find new jobs. We live in a crappy world right now and there just aren't enough jobs, our government has either outsourced them or insourced them and Americans are out of luck.

 

[Spoonman]

no if welfare was like it was back in the day when Roosevelt first started it, the wouldn't be lazy. they would be of building the infrastructures. roads, bridges, damns, all sorts of public works. how did the liberals let this program fall apart so badly?

OK. I like the idea of another WPA. So let's propose it, with all the safeguards of the original WPA, and see who opposes it. Want to guess who will be calling is socialism, and fighting the whole idea, just like last time?

WPA???


You're kidding, right?

Can you imagine these folks signing up to dig ditches?

i wouldn't give them a choice. you want your check, take your drug test and build that bridge. you get paid when you work. just like the rest of us.

 

[buckeye45_73]

"Let me make sure that I understand you correctly," I inquired of the welfare caseworker as I presented her with my pregnancy confirmation note from a doctor. "All I have to do for you to send me $465 a month, $176 worth of food stamps, and 100% free medical and dental assistance is keep this baby. As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid? Where do I sign up?"

Not only is that useless anecdote pre-1996 welfare reform, it is pre-Reagan Revolution. Nowadays people can still be lazy, but they can't go about it the same way. This typically either involves a baby-daddy or a schmuck husband, or--over the course of time--both.

The broader social critique is equally absurd. It almost sounds as if there are some people who are so completely moronic that they believe that poor people don't exist. I guess this is how people try to make reality conform to policy instead of the way that sane people go about things--which is the exact opposite.

Oh so you're saying the welfare system that republicans bitched about pre 1996 was a worthless piece of shit? Welcome aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid
And did you notice the list of things you CANT have? Why do we do that? arent uyou suppposed to help them up (and yes you still cant have those things)? Wow keep them single parents and I wonder why the black community has issues with that....kinda sounds like a new version of slavery, have that kid, cant marry and dont have a bank account or any other responsibility....we'll take care of you!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm pretty sure PC is a stay at home mom, which means someone else supports her,

and she doesn't work for it.

I guess that makes her one of the lazy ones.

Creepy as it is that you feel compelled to muse on her family life, I think if her family is self sufficient, that doesn't make her one of the lazy poor.

You, on the other hand....

If she doesn't work because someone else is paying for her food shelter clothing etc. etc. etc.,

that makes her lazy by her own definition. And anyone else in that category.

Must you include me in your fantasies????


Well, if this helps, I once caught a Leprechaun, and he obliged me with his pot of gold.

I invested in Apple, and now live in a castle.

Don't plan on visiting....the moat has sharks.


BTW....idiot, the 'lazy' appellation was applied to welfare recipients by Ms. Parker, not to independently wealthy, or the gainfully employed.

It appears that your ability to comprehend is only surpassed by your hat size.

 

[Claudette]

The only issue with your scenario is that there are neighborhoods where generational welfare takes place......thanks to Democrats continuing to provide "assistance" for votes.....and those people think jobs are for chumps. They don't care about jobs. Republicans are not offering them something they want. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

You bet. Most of em do no want a job. They want the taxpayers of America to fund their lives for them. They don't have to get up and go to work or worry about where the money to pay the bills will come from.

Shit. You have Grandma, Mom and grandkid all with their illigitimate kids on welfare. No way will any of em get off their asses and take care of themselves. Why should they when we the taxpayer are forced to support them.

Of course they vote Democratic. Why wouldn't they. Thats the party that has foisted their responsibility onto the taxpayers of this country.

So we have established that Republicans do not want to offer employment opportunities because......they are too fucking lazy to take them

So Republicans what is your solution?

Who says anyone has to have a solution because to be perfectly honest, there isn't one.

There will always be poor out there. The poor have been there throughout history.
Until the poor decide to get themselves out of poverty we will always have poverty.

Welfare is a bandaid that most of them take advantage of. They could care where the money comes from as long as they don't have to earn it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And I guess the fact that you went to ultra-liberal Columbia University is Exhibit A?

lol

Some people grow out of childish shenanigans. The strong master them.

What's childish is to run off and start a new thread on the same topic as your old one because you were made of fool of in the first one.

Tell us where you work, again...?

What a moron you are!
One thread was about the economically challenged, the working poor.

This about those who don't work.

I see that as an huge difference....how could you miss it?
Oh...right...Your IQ is 2, and 3 is required to grunt.


"Tell us where you work, again..."
Us???

You have a tapeworm?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Correct me if I'm wrong PC but aren't you a stay at home mom?

I have a job:
I sit around being fantastic all day.

No, you're a stay at home mom who lives off someone else's WORK. Correct?

You have an amazing obsession with my personal information....

....fully understandable.


But....try to see other people, I only date within my own species.

 

[PoliticalChic]

LOL. All this talk about the poor. While there are poor people who will always be poor because of attitude and inherant dificiences in character and mental abilities, most of todays poor are working. And that situation has been brought about by this;

Wealth Distribution in the USA - SHOCKING! - YouTube

But this is what PC and her Randian philosophy considers ideal.

Government's proper function is to provide the correct environment for the creation of wealth....

...it is not there to redistribute wealth.


It is none of your busybody business what your neighbor earns.

Don't believe that? OK...put your W2 on line.

Public education redistributes wealth. Do you really think our country would be better off if no one received an education who couldn't afford it?

Tell us why that would be better.

I fervently look forward to the day when real education is provided.

 

[kwc57]

Obviously the solution is to outlaw abortion and stop funding contraception so the poor can have more kids they can't sustain.

The same rules have always applied to avoid poverty:

1. Finish high school

2. Have a job for at least a year.

3. Marry before one has children.

I know quite a few people who are living in poverty who finished high school and never had kids. All of them have been laid off and can't find new jobs. We live in a crappy world right now and there just aren't enough jobs, our government has either outsourced them or insourced them and Americans are out of luck.

Yet the help wanted section of the newspapers are still full.

 

[Agit8r]

As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid
And did you notice the list of things you CANT have?

What are you talking about? Those are not requirements. Most (adult) food stamp recipients work, but do not make enough to feed their families, including many single income intact families. People who are on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (cash welfare) have to seek work after being on the program for a certain amount of time (as per 1996 welfare reform). The vast majority of poor people work. Not all of them receive benefits. They do however exist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The dupes, so great, until they lose THEIR job in ANOTHER Pub cronyism and corruption depression. Just because the victims try to keep a little dignity doesn't mean they're lazy, dumbazz hater dupes Thanks for ruining the nonrich and the country over the last 30 years (see sig pp1), not to mention political discourse with your brainwashed hate and idiocy (see sig pp3), a-holes- change the channel.

Are you afraid to confront the truth of the OP?

I understand why you would be, the OP proves the fallacy of Liberal policy.

Here is the witness testimony:

"Let me make sure that I understand you correctly," I inquired of the welfare caseworker as I presented her with my pregnancy confirmation note from a doctor. "All I have to do for you to send me $465 a month, $176 worth of food stamps, and 100% free medical and dental assistance is keep this baby. As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid? Where do I sign up?"

It was like winning the lottery....I had been looking for a way to finance my laziness. Now, at 23, I had finally found a source of income that did not require work.'


I dare you to respond to it.

 

[Foxfyre]

tell me where you can live on 650 a month and enjoy being lazy?

Some people (TDM) seem too lazy to do some simple math. She was born in 1958 and she was pregnant at 23. That's $650 in 1981 dollars, not 2013 dollars. In 1981, I was 2 years out of college, working full time and married and making $900 per month......and thought I was living like a king. For someone who doesn't want to work and provide for themself, $650 is better than $0. What, are you in a Cheeto induced fog this morning?

$650 isn't chicken feed even today when you are living in subsidized housing, get food stamps to offset the grocery bills, get free medical care and other government benefits. I will look it up later, if necessary, but I believe I read recently that a family of three being supported by the government can easily net benefits worth $40k to $60k these days.

The problem is that when you see your actual income/benefits decrease if you go off government benefits and go to work in the private sector, that is a huge incentive not to seek work in the private sector.

Even in 1995, an in depth analysis done by CATO prior to the welfare reform legislation that in fact got millions off the welfare roles and into a productive society:

The value of the full package of welfare benefits for a typical recipient in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia exceeds the poverty level. Because welfare benefits are tax-free, their dollar value is often greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would have left after paying taxes on an equivalent pretax income.

•In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00 an hour job. In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00 an hour job.

•In Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, New York, and Rhode Island welfare pays more than a $12.00 an hour job--or two and a half times the minimum wage.

•In nine states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. And in the six most generous states it pays more than the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.

•Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit. For the hard-core welfare recipient, the value of the full range of welfare benefits substantially exceeds the amount the recipient could earn in an entry-level job. As a result, recipients are likely to choose welfare over work, thus increasing long-term dependence.
The Work Versus Welfare Trade-Off: An Analysis of the Total Level of Welfare Benefits by State

Though I really appreciate Starr Parker--she is absolutely one of my heroes--I think she is a bit harsh referring to her attitude as 'lazy'. It is more a human nature thing. If taking a raise, for instance, pushes you just over the edge into a higher tax bracket that reduces your overall expendable income, you are likely to ask your employer to forego or postpone that raise.

And the best of us, despite our political philosophy and/or ideology, find it difficult to give up or risk a benefit we are currently getting, even though we know that would be the right thing to do. Which explains why making more and more people dependent in some way on the federal government is seen as desirable by those in government who are building their own personal fortunes by keeping people voting for them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC is a fake

Hey....here's a novel idea!

Why don't you pick an actual post, and respond to it!



Don't be afraid....I won't be too rough on you.

Why don't you? We've all seen enough of your act...

Tell us specifically why getting rid of free public education for the Poor will improve their circumstance in America.

"We"?

Oh...you and Ms. Truthie!


A marriage made in Heaven!

 

[Agit8r]

The dupes, so great, until they lose THEIR job in ANOTHER Pub cronyism and corruption depression. Just because the victims try to keep a little dignity doesn't mean they're lazy, dumbazz hater dupes Thanks for ruining the nonrich and the country over the last 30 years (see sig pp1), not to mention political discourse with your brainwashed hate and idiocy (see sig pp3), a-holes- change the channel.

Are you afraid to confront the truth of the OP?

I understand why you would be, the OP proves the fallacy of Liberal policy.

Here is the witness testimony:

"Let me make sure that I understand you correctly," I inquired of the welfare caseworker as I presented her with my pregnancy confirmation note from a doctor. "All I have to do for you to send me $465 a month, $176 worth of food stamps, and 100% free medical and dental assistance is keep this baby. As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid? Where do I sign up?"

It was like winning the lottery....I had been looking for a way to finance my laziness. Now, at 23, I had finally found a source of income that did not require work.'


I dare you to respond to it.

an anecdote from 1979

 

[PoliticalChic]

There's not enough to go around for everyone to reach their potential. We're already graduating thousands from college who can't find jobs in what they were educated for.

That is the grim reality at its most basic level.

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

ob·ses·sion
/əbˈseSHən/
Noun
The state of being obsessed with someone or something.
An idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.
Synonyms
mania


You poor, sad thing.


Story of your life, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

tell me where you can live on 650 a month and enjoy being lazy?

Have you ever heard of subsidized housing? Section 8? Food-stamps? medicaid?

PoliticalChic's argument is that ALL of that should be ended, completely.

Do you agree with her?

Link?


...or lie?

 

[Againsheila]

The same rules have always applied to avoid poverty:

1. Finish high school

2. Have a job for at least a year.

3. Marry before one has children.

I know quite a few people who are living in poverty who finished high school and never had kids. All of them have been laid off and can't find new jobs. We live in a crappy world right now and there just aren't enough jobs, our government has either outsourced them or insourced them and Americans are out of luck.

Yet the help wanted section of the newspapers are still full.

Have you ever check out those ads?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Have you ever heard of subsidized housing? Section 8? Food-stamps? medicaid?

PoliticalChic's argument is that ALL of that should be ended, completely.

Do you agree with her?

Sometimes. I've known a lot of welfare leaches over the years. We should do away with it completely and replace it with unemployment, for those who are looking for work, and disability, for those who can't work. Those two programs should be funded enough that we shouldn't have to have any other programs, like subsidized housing, section 8 and Food-stamps. Also, social security retirement should pay enough that our elderly don't need food-stamps or subsidized housing. The plain fact of the matter, is that all these programs are costing us way more than they should and if we paid enough that someone can afford an apartment, food and medical care, we wouldn't need those programs. In the long run, it would be cheaper.

1. Newt Gingrich's discussion about welfare reform, in his book, "Saving America."
Newt refers to a proposal by Peter Ferrara, who was in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Ronald Reagan.

The proposal goes like this: Block grants would still be provided to the states, and states would guarantee a day’s work assignment (paying the minimum wage) to everyone who reports to their local welfare office before 9:00 a.m. According to Newt, “The welfare office would provide free daycare for participants’ small children”, and the children would “receive medical care and treatment when necessary” (page 190).

Moreover, those working a certain number of hours would receive a Medicaid voucher for private health insurance as well as housing assistance so they could purchase a home. They would also receive the earned-income tax credit. Newt also affirms that the disabled would be trained for some line of work.

a. Based on minimum wage of $7.25, or $15,000 for a full year’s work, plus EITC, which is $3,000 with one child, and $5,000 with two, plus $1,000 per child tax credit. This plus the in-kind transfers of child care and health care, are an adequate safety net.

“What I like about this proposal is that it would give welfare recipients work experience and job skills rather than setting welfare against work.” Newt Gingrich?s To Save America 7: Welfare Reform, Health Care | James' Ramblings

b. The system would also end all incentives for having children outside of marriage, as a parent would have to work to support a child.


Wadda ya' think?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

Sounds like love to me.