The Lazy Poor

[NYcarbineer]

tell me where you can live on 650 a month and enjoy being lazy?

Have you ever heard of subsidized housing? Section 8? Food-stamps? medicaid?

PoliticalChic's argument is that ALL of that should be ended, completely.

Do you agree with her?

 

[PoliticalChic]

no if welfare was like it was back in the day when Roosevelt first started it, the wouldn't be lazy. they would be of building the infrastructures. roads, bridges, damns, all sorts of public works. how did the liberals let this program fall apart so badly?

OK. I like the idea of another WPA. So let's propose it, with all the safeguards of the original WPA, and see who opposes it. Want to guess who will be calling is socialism, and fighting the whole idea, just like last time?

WPA???


You're kidding, right?

Can you imagine these folks signing up to dig ditches?

 

[kwc57]

Kind of a chicken or the egg for Republicans isn't it?

Ignore minorities and the poor and they will vote Democrat. They have no reason to vote Republican. Go into poor neighborhoods. Let them know Republicans are there and are helping people find jobs.........they will be Republican for life

The only issue with your scenario is that there are neighborhoods where generational welfare takes place......thanks to Democrats continuing to provide "assistance" for votes.....and those people think jobs are for chumps. They don't care about jobs. Republicans are not offering them something they want. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

That is why Republicans need to actually go into those neighborhoods and prove otherwise. Mentor young kids entering the workforce. Offer real jobs, not just pushing a broom. Offer jobs training. Offer jobs that people can support a family on

The poor will vote Republican forever

Already exists and they don't take advantage of it. Why bathe, shave, put on your best shirt and go to job training or apply for any number of jobs listed in the paper when you can have money deposited into your EBT card every month? Tell me which is easier? If you've watched mom and grandma do it and it's worked for them, why change? Democrats have made many of the poor DEPENDENT. Come in and tell them that you will teach them how to do a job, but it's going to require dedication and hard work for them to become independent and they think, nah.......I like having it handed to me. Democrats know exactly what they're doing and that once they get a taste of cradle to grave assistance, they have their vote forever. Not saying some don't want to break out of the cycle or that they won't.........but the alternative already exists and few are willing to take it.

 

[Againsheila]

tell me where you can live on 650 a month and enjoy being lazy?

Have you ever heard of subsidized housing? Section 8? Food-stamps? medicaid?

PoliticalChic's argument is that ALL of that should be ended, completely.

Do you agree with her?

Sometimes. I've known a lot of welfare leaches over the years. We should do away with it completely and replace it with unemployment, for those who are looking for work, and disability, for those who can't work. Those two programs should be funded enough that we shouldn't have to have any other programs, like subsidized housing, section 8 and Food-stamps. Also, social security retirement should pay enough that our elderly don't need food-stamps or subsidized housing. The plain fact of the matter, is that all these programs are costing us way more than they should and if we paid enough that someone can afford an apartment, food and medical care, we wouldn't need those programs. In the long run, it would be cheaper.

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs have been redistributing wealth the last 30 years, morons, to the point the 99% can't supply the demand for the products THEY make. You cut federal taxes on everyone, but states have to make up shortfalls with higher taxes and fees that fall on the nonrich, not to mention payroll taxes that are now more than fed taxes, and ruining our infrastructure, education, and training. Great job, shytteheads.

 

[kwc57]

There's not enough to go around for everyone to reach their potential. We're already graduating thousands from college who can't find jobs in what they were educated for.

That is the grim reality at its most basic level.

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

 

[candycorn]

Obviously the solution is to outlaw abortion and stop funding contraception so the poor can have more kids they can't sustain.

Nah, forced sterilization is a much better solution.

Sig Heil!

 

[francoHFW]

Amazing again how misinformed the dupes are. Those on welfare DO have to work for all their benefits, DO have to apply for jobs, ARE screened for drugs, and HATE it.. The problem is your a-hole Pubs who started the Great World Recession, now obstruct the recovery, and fill your "minds" with such drivel and hate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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This goes far beyond "the poor" in the big picture.

When we lower standards, when we lower expectations, when we make excuses for others, when we spend more effort in building some artificial "self esteem" than we do motivating others to exert real effort and reach their potential, we're hurting people in both the short term and the long term. How we don't see that is an abject mystery to me.

The worst part is that the above actions have become ingrained of our culture, and our decay will continue until we find a way to reverse it. Personally, I don't see how that happens.

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There's not enough to go around for everyone to reach their potential. We're already graduating thousands from college who can't find jobs in what they were educated for.

That is the grim reality at its most basic level.

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

If you were 1/100th as smart as you imagine you are, you'd know that the claim that it's grammatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition is a MYTH.

But you're not that smart.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/ending-sentences-with-prepositions

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

All of my points have gone unrefuted.

Whether she has a job is directly related to her claim that people without jobs are LAZY.

So go fuck yourself, and we'll both feel better.

 

[koshergrl]

Hardly.
One grim reality is the education system that neglected to teach you not to end a sentence with a preposition.

The greater one is that fools major in Frisbee and Angry Women's Studies, and wonder why they end up bagging groceries.


The missing element is personal responsibility.

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

He can't participate in any meaningful way. This is the extent of his capabilities.

 

[koshergrl]

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

All of my points have gone unrefuted.

Whether she has a job is directly related to her claim that people without jobs are LAZY.

So go fuck yourself, and we'll both feel better.

What points, exactly?

I'm sorry, I seem to have missed all of your imaginary points. Can you point them out? P.S....reference to PC's family or attempts to get personal information are not "points".

 

[Borillar]

no if welfare was like it was back in the day when Roosevelt first started it, the wouldn't be lazy. they would be of building the infrastructures. roads, bridges, damns, all sorts of public works. how did the liberals let this program fall apart so badly?

OK. I like the idea of another WPA. So let's propose it, with all the safeguards of the original WPA, and see who opposes it. Want to guess who will be calling is socialism, and fighting the whole idea, just like last time?

WPA???


You're kidding, right?

Can you imagine these folks signing up to dig ditches?

What about a WPA or CCC type of program replacing welfare as we know it today? Make those who are physically capable of working perform some public service as a condition of receiving that monthly stipend. At least they would be doing something to earn these benefits rather than just receive a handout.

 

[Newby]

What did we decide your JOB was? Let's establish that first.

Take it to the flame zone if you feel the need, but all you're trying to do is obfuscate and derail the thread. You should participate in the actual topic or find somewhere else to troll.

All of my points have gone unrefuted.

Whether she has a job is directly related to her claim that people without jobs are LAZY.

So go fuck yourself, and we'll both feel better.

Raising children isn't worthy? Entering a marriage, making the decision as a couple to have one work and one stay at home to raise the children is irresponsible and lazy? How is she living off of taxpayer money exactly if her husband is supporting the family while she supports the children and the household?

Your 'point' is assinine.

 

[Agit8r]

"Let me make sure that I understand you correctly," I inquired of the welfare caseworker as I presented her with my pregnancy confirmation note from a doctor. "All I have to do for you to send me $465 a month, $176 worth of food stamps, and 100% free medical and dental assistance is keep this baby. As long as I don't have a bank account, find a job, or get married, I qualify for aid? Where do I sign up?"

Not only is that useless anecdote pre-1996 welfare reform, it is pre-Reagan Revolution. Nowadays people can still be lazy, but they can't go about it the same way. This typically either involves a baby-daddy or a schmuck husband, or--over the course of time--both.

The broader social critique is equally absurd. It almost sounds as if there are some people who are so completely moronic that they believe that poor people don't exist. I guess this is how people try to make reality conform to policy instead of the way that sane people go about things--which is the exact opposite.

 

[rightwinger]

Kind of a chicken or the egg for Republicans isn't it?

Ignore minorities and the poor and they will vote Democrat. They have no reason to vote Republican. Go into poor neighborhoods. Let them know Republicans are there and are helping people find jobs.........they will be Republican for life

The only issue with your scenario is that there are neighborhoods where generational welfare takes place......thanks to Democrats continuing to provide "assistance" for votes.....and those people think jobs are for chumps. They don't care about jobs. Republicans are not offering them something they want. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

You bet. Most of em do no want a job. They want the taxpayers of America to fund their lives for them. They don't have to get up and go to work or worry about where the money to pay the bills will come from.

Shit. You have Grandma, Mom and grandkid all with their illigitimate kids on welfare. No way will any of em get off their asses and take care of themselves. Why should they when we the taxpayer are forced to support them.

Of course they vote Democratic. Why wouldn't they. Thats the party that has foisted their responsibility onto the taxpayers of this country.

So we have established that Republicans do not want to offer employment opportunities because......they are too fucking lazy to take them

So Republicans what is your solution?

 

[Againsheila]

OK. I like the idea of another WPA. So let's propose it, with all the safeguards of the original WPA, and see who opposes it. Want to guess who will be calling is socialism, and fighting the whole idea, just like last time?

WPA???


You're kidding, right?

Can you imagine these folks signing up to dig ditches?

What about a WPA or CCC type of program replacing welfare as we know it today? Make those who are physically capable of working perform some public service as a condition of receiving that monthly stipend. At least they would be doing something to earn these benefits rather than just receive a handout.

I think that's a great idea, unfortunately, I think the ACLU has already sued and made that unconstitutional. My husband's cousin used to be on welfare and for awhile they were making her work for it. She loved it. She was working outside at schools and parks. Then the ACLU stepped in and it stopped. She was sorry to see it go and held felt that it was really helping her self esteem, if nothing else.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obviously the solution is to outlaw abortion and stop funding contraception so the poor can have more kids they can't sustain.

The same rules have always applied to avoid poverty:

1. Finish high school

2. Have a job for at least a year.

3. Marry before one has children.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ever notice that PC complains incessantly about the poor and the welfare state that assists them,

but NEVER offers a better way to do things?

Yes she does. Embrace a system that values morality and hard work and teach your children that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things, and nobody owes them anything...that what they get they will have to earn.

That is her policy?

Eliminate all food stamps, cash assistance, Medicaid, housing assistance, eliminate public schooling for anyone who can't pay for it...

if that's what PoliticalChic believes, is that also what you believe?

Link?

 

[buckeye45_73]

tell me where you can live on 650 a month and enjoy being lazy?

Have you been to the hood? I'd suggest trying it, cost of living isnt that high, it's just not....no need for gas, no need for real food, junk food will do!