Dana7360
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Well, here in the northern plains oil, natural gas, propane and coal are the only things we can rely on. Renewables don’t work up here.What lying? Democrats rely on unvetted MSM propaganda.Instead it’s better to solely rely on MSM propaganda with no vetting. That’s what democrats do.
You can stop lying anytime now. The Majority of the population ain't buying this lie. Move on. Come up with another one to give Trump another free ride. Wait 10 minutes, I am sure something else will come up from him that will need to be glazed over.
I just have to look out my window. The Coal cars that used to be lines deep are gone. Yes, I live within a quarter of a mile of the UP Holding Yards. It used to be that there was a train of 105 cars pull out every other hour 24/7 but now, maybe, it will take a week to put together that 105 car train. And UP doesn't bother with the diesel fuel for anything less than 105 cars.
I just have to look at my electric bill. while yours has probably gone up, my has gone down. You see, your lying bunch says it's more expensive to use Solar and Wind. It is in the first 4 years or so. After that, it's all paid for and the price of the electricity goes way, way down. We still use Hydro Electric Power that was built in the late 60s, some in the 70s and 80s. It's all paid for now. No coal fired plants around here. Over half of the electric power does come from Natural Gas but it's gone down. Natural Gas is going to be around a very, very long time though. So it's a combination of all types except for coal. Do we have an excess of Natural Gas, you betcha. They are trying to get that pipe to oregon to make it into CNA and sell it to Japan, China and others. Do we have an excess of Hyroelectric? We put it in the trunk and it ends up in Phoenix and LA. Blue Mesa Damn, alone, has 2 operational Hydro turbines and is one of the largest dams in the world. Just below that is Morrow Point where I worked one summer. It's the second largest concave dam in the world.
I just have to drive up the valley to Sommerset and see the vacant houses, empty stores and idle mines. There are a ton of mines up there that could be producing but there is only 2 that still are in operation. UP runs short trains out of them because they rails are so deteriorated that the rails will flex sometimes as much as 4 feet. The Schools in Somerset have closed down and the students are bused. If you want to see much of the same thing, just visit West Virginia or parts of Pennsylvania. It's been like that long before Obama can along. Coal has been dying for a few decades. It seems large cities like to breath.
All that from not turning on the TV or Radio. Not picking up a Newspaper of any kind. That means, you are a liar and I rarely say that about anyone except for Trump who is a professional liar. It appears that you are as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m an all of the above type a guy. But renewables for decades away from being viable.
Up here all of the power plants are powered by fossil fuels. The northern plains are not suited for a renewables, Or I should say the other way around renewables are not suited for the northern plains.
And it cost me almost 580 dollars to heat my shop and my house all last winter. Thanks to cheap natural gas.
Each area needs to find what suits them, no one area should tell another area what to do.
That Peyote must be a better quality than around here, Chief. South Dakota has a ton of really flat or rolling hills. That means it would lend itself well to Solar. Solar even works near the North Pole. It also works in deep space. And once the facility is built and has operated for X number or years, it's almost free power. And the time I spent there, there was wind, lots of wind. That means, those rolling hills also would be able to accept wind generators. Again, after X number of time, it's paid for. So don't give me that crap it's because it's not viable. You live in a state that has it's state government's head up it's ass. You keep forgetting that I lived there for a few years and I doubt if the earth changed direction or anything changed the weather that much.
You can stop lying now.
My state started building one of the largest wind farms in our nation in the 90s.
When it finally went on line, it generated too much electricity for the existing grid to handle. So we built a new grid.
We have a lot of extra energy we sell to other states.
We also have the 3rd lowest energy rates in the nation.
Of course wind and solar is very viable.
Look at Hawaii. The island of Maui has windmills, most buildings have solar panels on them and they are building a huge solar farm on the west side of the island. They don't use coal at all.
My state has only one coal fire plant left and it's being shutdown now.
Coal is dying and those who don't want to come into the 21st century are being left behind.