The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[JakeStarkey]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists.

Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional.

But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it.

Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

The commie fascists of today are not "liberals" as "liberal" was defined 75 years ago. Liberal has always been a relative description, particular to the age in which it exists.

Our forefathers were liberals of the day...and the royalists and the tyrannical regime of George III were the fascists.

The liberals of the Civil War were "Republican Democrats" and the Dems were the "conservatives".

Today's liberals are progressive commie fascists, and there is no true "liberal" faction in the US any more, outside of nursing homes and funny farms, where a few antiques have missed the shift and think the liberals of 75 years ago represent the alleged "liberals" of today. Unless you consider those who are striving to pull the US back into some semblance of the constitutional republic it is supposed to be, as "liberals". In which case..I'm a liberal. And you're still a commie fascist.

I see you've read Goldberg

Nope. My own words, my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

They are right out of Goldberg's book

He must read my material then.
Universal truths have a way of being..well...universal.

Neither of you are that.

 

[toxicmedia]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists.

Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional.

But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it.

Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

The commie fascists of today are not "liberals" as "liberal" was defined 75 years ago. Liberal has always been a relative description, particular to the age in which it exists.

Our forefathers were liberals of the day...and the royalists and the tyrannical regime of George III were the fascists.

The liberals of the Civil War were "Republican Democrats" and the Dems were the "conservatives".

Today's liberals are progressive commie fascists, and there is no true "liberal" faction in the US any more, outside of nursing homes and funny farms, where a few antiques have missed the shift and think the liberals of 75 years ago represent the alleged "liberals" of today. Unless you consider those who are striving to pull the US back into some semblance of the constitutional republic it is supposed to be, as "liberals". In which case..I'm a liberal. And you're still a commie fascist.

I see you've read Goldberg

Nope. My own words, my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

They are right out of Goldberg's book

He must read my material then.
Universal truths have a way of being..well...universal.

I know you're a smart girl...but do you expect me to believe you came up with all of that other stuff all on your own, without hearing it, from somebody else, who heard if from Goldberg?

The reason I say this...is because nobody threw that stuff around before the GOP strategy machine started doing that in Obama's first term. The Classical VS Modern Liberalism aside...all the rest is pure Goldberg kafka.

 

[P@triot]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

 

[P@triot]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists.

Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional.

But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it.

Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

The commie fascists of today are not "liberals" as "liberal" was defined 75 years ago. Liberal has always been a relative description, particular to the age in which it exists.

Our forefathers were liberals of the day...and the royalists and the tyrannical regime of George III were the fascists.

The liberals of the Civil War were "Republican Democrats" and the Dems were the "conservatives".

Today's liberals are progressive commie fascists, and there is no true "liberal" faction in the US any more, outside of nursing homes and funny farms, where a few antiques have missed the shift and think the liberals of 75 years ago represent the alleged "liberals" of today. Unless you consider those who are striving to pull the US back into some semblance of the constitutional republic it is supposed to be, as "liberals". In which case..I'm a liberal. And you're still a commie fascist.

Bingo! In fact - there really aren't any liberals today. Just progressives.

 

[P@triot]

She shouldn't be the least bit surprised. The NAACP is progressive and progressives have been waging a war on choice for over 100 year now. They believe government should dictate everything to the people...

I’m a Black Woman Disappointed in NAACP’s War on School Choice

 

[koshergrl]

The commie fascists of today are not "liberals" as "liberal" was defined 75 years ago. Liberal has always been a relative description, particular to the age in which it exists.

Our forefathers were liberals of the day...and the royalists and the tyrannical regime of George III were the fascists.

The liberals of the Civil War were "Republican Democrats" and the Dems were the "conservatives".

Today's liberals are progressive commie fascists, and there is no true "liberal" faction in the US any more, outside of nursing homes and funny farms, where a few antiques have missed the shift and think the liberals of 75 years ago represent the alleged "liberals" of today. Unless you consider those who are striving to pull the US back into some semblance of the constitutional republic it is supposed to be, as "liberals". In which case..I'm a liberal. And you're still a commie fascist.

I see you've read Goldberg

Nope. My own words, my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

They are right out of Goldberg's book

He must read my material then.
Universal truths have a way of being..well...universal.

I know you're a smart girl...but do you expect me to believe you came up with all of that other stuff all on your own, without hearing it, from somebody else, who heard if from Goldberg?

The reason I say this...is because nobody threw that stuff around before the GOP strategy machine started doing that in Obama's first term. The Classical VS Modern Liberalism aside...all the rest is pure Goldberg kafka.

I expect you to be a commie asshat, as you are. I'm sure you don't believe anybody aside from your masters has ever had a thought, I've no doubt you don't believe in universal truths. I don't care, though. Commie pukes are expendable offal.

 

[toxicmedia]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

 

[toxicmedia]

I see you've read Goldberg

Nope. My own words, my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

They are right out of Goldberg's book

He must read my material then.
Universal truths have a way of being..well...universal.

I know you're a smart girl...but do you expect me to believe you came up with all of that other stuff all on your own, without hearing it, from somebody else, who heard if from Goldberg?

The reason I say this...is because nobody threw that stuff around before the GOP strategy machine started doing that in Obama's first term. The Classical VS Modern Liberalism aside...all the rest is pure Goldberg kafka.

I expect you to be a commie asshat, as you are. I'm sure you don't believe anybody aside from your masters has ever had a thought, I've no doubt you don't believe in universal truths. I don't care, though. Commie pukes are expendable offal.

"My Masters"....

I suggest 1200mg Lithium, and 2mg Resperidol, and you'll feel a lot better

 

[P@triot]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

 

[koshergrl]

Nope. My own words, my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

They are right out of Goldberg's book

He must read my material then.
Universal truths have a way of being..well...universal.

I know you're a smart girl...but do you expect me to believe you came up with all of that other stuff all on your own, without hearing it, from somebody else, who heard if from Goldberg?

The reason I say this...is because nobody threw that stuff around before the GOP strategy machine started doing that in Obama's first term. The Classical VS Modern Liberalism aside...all the rest is pure Goldberg kafka.

I expect you to be a commie asshat, as you are. I'm sure you don't believe anybody aside from your masters has ever had a thought, I've no doubt you don't believe in universal truths. I don't care, though. Commie pukes are expendable offal.

"My Masters"....

I suggest 1200mg Lithium, and 2mg Resperidol, and you'll feel a lot better

No thank you. I don't believe in doping people into drugged submission.

 

[koshergrl]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

How dare you have a thought of your own that someone else has had as well!

Obviously, you need psychotropic drugs. According to commiemedia, anyway.

 

[Onyx]

For your education.

Fascism is the most extreme and honest form of statism. Anarchism is the most extreme and honest form of libertarianism.

 

[Tehon]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

Friedrich Hayek clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

 

[Onyx]

I can explain why fascism is usually associated with the right.

- The original fascists often affiliated themselves with the right, while being critical of communists and what Mussolini described as modern individualist liberals.

- Mussolini rejected egalitarianism and typical left wing positions on social equality. Class division is a tenet in fascist thought.

- Mussolini advocated a fiscally conservative society that would be self sufficient and put high value on protectionist policies, which are ideas often associated with right-wing economics.

- While not exclusive to the right, most right-wing movements from today and the 20th century emphasize militarism and ultranationalism, which are more tenets of fascism.

- Fascist rhetoric focused on revolution of the rich and middle class against the poor, which is contrary to the revolution of the poor and middle class argued by state communists

If we are defining fascism as a totalitarian corporate state, then that is neither left or right. If we are defining it as radical collectivism centered around state power, then that is neither left or right. If we are defining it by Mussolini's doctrine and historical context, then fascism is right-wing.

Additional point: most modern fascists (openly fascist) consider themselves far right.

 

[toxicmedia]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

Here ya go Patriot...just add this to the drivel you're trying to pass off as original thought


Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club


“Fascists!” “Brownshirts!” “Jackbooted stormtroopers!” Such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. But who are the real fascists in our midst? In “Liberal Fascism,” National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the left — and that liberals, from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton, have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler and Mussolini. Replacing manufactured myths with enlightening research, Goldberg begins by showing how the Italian fascism, German Nazism and American Progressivism (forebear of modern liberalism) all drew from the same intellectual foundations the idea that the state can create a kind of social utopia for its citizens. He then traces fascism’s history in the U.S. — from Woodrow Wilson’s war socialism and FDR’s New Deal to today’s liberal push for a greater alliance between big business and government. Finally, Goldberg reveals the striking resemblances between the opinions advanced by Hitler and Mussolini and the current views of the left on such diverse issues as government’s role in the economy, campaign finance reform, campus “speech codes,” education, environmentalism, gun control, abortion, and euthanasia. Impeccably researched and persuasively argued, Liberal Fascism will elicit howls of indignation from the liberal establishment — and rousing cheers from the right. How fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and modern liberalism are all alike in principle, in that all believe that government should be allowed to do whatever it likes, so long as it is for “good reasons” How, before World War II and the Holocaust, fascism was considered a progressive social movement both in the U.S. and Europe — but was redefined afterwards as “right wing” How the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National Socialism”) who loathed the free market, believed in free health care, opposed inherited wealth, spent vast sums on public education, purged Christianity from public policy, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life How the Nazis declared war on smoking; supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control; and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities — where campus speech codes were all the rage Adolph Hitler, Man of the Left: how his views and policies regarding capitalism, class warfare, environmentalism, gun control, euthanasia and even smoking are remarkably close to those of modern liberals How Woodrow Wilson and the other founding fathers of American liberalism were far crueler jingoists and warmongers than modern conservatives have ever been How Wilson’s crackdown on civil liberties in the name of national security far exceeds anything even attempted by Joe McCarthy, much less George W. Bush How Mussolini and Hitler both thought — quite rightly — that they were doing things along the same lines as FDR How, in the 1930s, FDR’s New Deal was praised for its similarity to Italian Fascism — “the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery,” said an influential member of FDR’s team How, just like modern liberals, Mussolini promised a “Third Way” that “went beyond tired categories of left and right” in order to “get things done” Mussolini’s and Hitler’s not-so-secret admirers: how many prominent progressives — from W.E.B. Dubois in the U.S. to George Bernard Shaw England — publicly praised German Nazism and Italian Fascism Liberal fascism and the cult of the state: how progressivism shared with fascism a conviction that, in a truly modern society, the state must take the place of religion How American Progressives, like Hitler’s Nazis, were convinced that the state could, through planning and pressure, create a pure race, a society of new men How Nazis, fascists and American progressives — including Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger — all shared a belief in racial engineering through eugenics, and the alleged “need” for abortion and euthanasia it implied How it was largely Christian conservatives who stood against the progressive enthusiasm for racist eugenics The fascist underpinnings of progressive education The 1960s: fascism takes to the streets — how the New Left used the means and methods of Hitler’s brownshirts and the fascist squadristi to further their agenda How the Kennedy-Johnson era marked the final evolution off Progressivism into a full-blown religion and a national cult of the state — with Kennedy its sacrificial “Christ” and LBJ its Pauline architect The Great Society: LBJ’s fascist utopia How the modern heirs of the fascist tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood The tempting of conservatism: the fascist tendencies lurking in “compassionate conservatism” and other pseudo-conservative trends “‘It is my argument that American liberalism is a totalitarian political religion,’ Jonah Goldberg writes near the beginning of Liberal Fascism. My first reaction was that he is engaging in partisan hyperbole. That turned out to be wrong. Liberal Fascism is nothing less than a portrait of twentieth-century political history as seen through a new prism. It will affect the way I think about that history — and about the trajectory of today’s politics — forever after.” —-Charles Murray, author of “Human Accomplishment” and coauthor (with Richard J. Herrnstein) of “The Bell Curve” “In the greatest hoax of modern history, Russia’s ruling ‘socialist workers party,’ the Communists, established themselves as the polar opposites of their two socialist clones, the National Socialist German Workers Party (quicknamed ‘the Nazis’) and Italy’s Marxist-inspired Fascisti, by branding both as ‘the fascists.’ Jonah Goldberg is the first historian to detail the havoc this spin of all spins has played upon Western thought for the past seventy-five years, very much including the present moment. Love it or loathe it, Liberal Fascism is a book of intellectual history you won’t be able to put down — in either sense of the term.” —Tom Wolfe, author of “Bonfire of the Vanities” and “I Am Charlotte Simmons” “Liberal Fascism will enrage many people on the left, but Jonah Goldberg’s startling thesis deserves serious attention. Going back to the eugenics movement there has been a strain of elitist moral certainty that allows one group of people to believe they have the right to determine the lives of others. We have replaced the divine right of kings with the divine right of self-righteous groups. Goldberg will lead you to new understanding and force you to think deeply.” —Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, author of “Winning the Future” “Jonah Goldberg argues that liberals today have doctrinal and emotional roots in twentieth century European fascism. Many people will be shocked just by the thought that long-discredited fascism could mutate into the spirit of another age. It’s always exhilarating when someone takes on received opinion, but this is not a work of pamphleteering. Goldberg’s insight, supported by a great deal of learning, happens to be right.” —David Pryce-Jones, author of “The Strange Death of the Soviet Union” “Jonah Goldberg brilliantly traces the intellectual roots of fascism to their surprising source, showing not only that its motivating ideas derive from the left but that the liberal fascist impulse is alive and well among contemporary progressives-and is even a temptation for compassionate conservatives.” — Ronald Bailey, science correspondent for Reason magazine - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club

 

[koshergrl]

I can explain why fascism is usually associated with the right.

- The original fascists often affiliated themselves with the right, while being critical of communists and what Mussolini described as modern individualist liberals.

- Mussolini rejected egalitarianism and typical left wing positions on social equality. Class division is a tenet in fascist thought.

- Mussolini advocated a fiscally conservative society that would be self sufficient and put high value on protectionist policies, which are ideas often associated with right-wing economics.

- While not exclusive to the right, most right-wing movements from today and the 20th century emphasize militarism and ultranationalism, which are more tenets of fascism.

- Fascist rhetoric focused on revolution of the rich and middle class against the poor, which is contrary to the revolution of the poor and middle class argued by state communists

If we are defining fascism as a totalitarian corporate state, then that is neither left or right. If we are defining it as radical collectivism centered around state power, then that is neither left or right. If we are defining it by Mussolini's doctrine and historical context, then fascism is right-wing.

Additional point: most modern fascists (openly fascist) consider themselves far right.

This is the same horseshit the fascist left always drags out.

Most modern fascists LIE about who they are in order to get into power. Hence we get the nonsense "Hitler was a nationalist/rightwing/Christian fundamentalist!" Total lies told by Hitler in order to win over various groups.

 

[koshergrl]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

Here ya go Patriot...just add this to the drivel you're trying to pass off as original thought


Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club


“Fascists!” “Brownshirts!” “Jackbooted stormtroopers!” Such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. But who are the real fascists in our midst? In “Liberal Fascism,” National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the left — and that liberals, from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton, have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler and Mussolini. Replacing manufactured myths with enlightening research, Goldberg begins by showing how the Italian fascism, German Nazism and American Progressivism (forebear of modern liberalism) all drew from the same intellectual foundations the idea that the state can create a kind of social utopia for its citizens. He then traces fascism’s history in the U.S. — from Woodrow Wilson’s war socialism and FDR’s New Deal to today’s liberal push for a greater alliance between big business and government. Finally, Goldberg reveals the striking resemblances between the opinions advanced by Hitler and Mussolini and the current views of the left on such diverse issues as government’s role in the economy, campaign finance reform, campus “speech codes,” education, environmentalism, gun control, abortion, and euthanasia. Impeccably researched and persuasively argued, Liberal Fascism will elicit howls of indignation from the liberal establishment — and rousing cheers from the right. How fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and modern liberalism are all alike in principle, in that all believe that government should be allowed to do whatever it likes, so long as it is for “good reasons” How, before World War II and the Holocaust, fascism was considered a progressive social movement both in the U.S. and Europe — but was redefined afterwards as “right wing” How the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National Socialism”) who loathed the free market, believed in free health care, opposed inherited wealth, spent vast sums on public education, purged Christianity from public policy, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life How the Nazis declared war on smoking; supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control; and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities — where campus speech codes were all the rage Adolph Hitler, Man of the Left: how his views and policies regarding capitalism, class warfare, environmentalism, gun control, euthanasia and even smoking are remarkably close to those of modern liberals How Woodrow Wilson and the other founding fathers of American liberalism were far crueler jingoists and warmongers than modern conservatives have ever been How Wilson’s crackdown on civil liberties in the name of national security far exceeds anything even attempted by Joe McCarthy, much less George W. Bush How Mussolini and Hitler both thought — quite rightly — that they were doing things along the same lines as FDR How, in the 1930s, FDR’s New Deal was praised for its similarity to Italian Fascism — “the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery,” said an influential member of FDR’s team How, just like modern liberals, Mussolini promised a “Third Way” that “went beyond tired categories of left and right” in order to “get things done” Mussolini’s and Hitler’s not-so-secret admirers: how many prominent progressives — from W.E.B. Dubois in the U.S. to George Bernard Shaw England — publicly praised German Nazism and Italian Fascism Liberal fascism and the cult of the state: how progressivism shared with fascism a conviction that, in a truly modern society, the state must take the place of religion How American Progressives, like Hitler’s Nazis, were convinced that the state could, through planning and pressure, create a pure race, a society of new men How Nazis, fascists and American progressives — including Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger — all shared a belief in racial engineering through eugenics, and the alleged “need” for abortion and euthanasia it implied How it was largely Christian conservatives who stood against the progressive enthusiasm for racist eugenics The fascist underpinnings of progressive education The 1960s: fascism takes to the streets — how the New Left used the means and methods of Hitler’s brownshirts and the fascist squadristi to further their agenda How the Kennedy-Johnson era marked the final evolution off Progressivism into a full-blown religion and a national cult of the state — with Kennedy its sacrificial “Christ” and LBJ its Pauline architect The Great Society: LBJ’s fascist utopia How the modern heirs of the fascist tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood The tempting of conservatism: the fascist tendencies lurking in “compassionate conservatism” and other pseudo-conservative trends “‘It is my argument that American liberalism is a totalitarian political religion,’ Jonah Goldberg writes near the beginning of Liberal Fascism. My first reaction was that he is engaging in partisan hyperbole. That turned out to be wrong. Liberal Fascism is nothing less than a portrait of twentieth-century political history as seen through a new prism. It will affect the way I think about that history — and about the trajectory of today’s politics — forever after.” —-Charles Murray, author of “Human Accomplishment” and coauthor (with Richard J. Herrnstein) of “The Bell Curve” “In the greatest hoax of modern history, Russia’s ruling ‘socialist workers party,’ the Communists, established themselves as the polar opposites of their two socialist clones, the National Socialist German Workers Party (quicknamed ‘the Nazis’) and Italy’s Marxist-inspired Fascisti, by branding both as ‘the fascists.’ Jonah Goldberg is the first historian to detail the havoc this spin of all spins has played upon Western thought for the past seventy-five years, very much including the present moment. Love it or loathe it, Liberal Fascism is a book of intellectual history you won’t be able to put down — in either sense of the term.” —Tom Wolfe, author of “Bonfire of the Vanities” and “I Am Charlotte Simmons” “Liberal Fascism will enrage many people on the left, but Jonah Goldberg’s startling thesis deserves serious attention. Going back to the eugenics movement there has been a strain of elitist moral certainty that allows one group of people to believe they have the right to determine the lives of others. We have replaced the divine right of kings with the divine right of self-righteous groups. Goldberg will lead you to new understanding and force you to think deeply.” —Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, author of “Winning the Future” “Jonah Goldberg argues that liberals today have doctrinal and emotional roots in twentieth century European fascism. Many people will be shocked just by the thought that long-discredited fascism could mutate into the spirit of another age. It’s always exhilarating when someone takes on received opinion, but this is not a work of pamphleteering. Goldberg’s insight, supported by a great deal of learning, happens to be right.” —David Pryce-Jones, author of “The Strange Death of the Soviet Union” “Jonah Goldberg brilliantly traces the intellectual roots of fascism to their surprising source, showing not only that its motivating ideas derive from the left but that the liberal fascist impulse is alive and well among contemporary progressives-and is even a temptation for compassionate conservatives.” — Ronald Bailey, science correspondent for Reason magazine - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club

Paragraphs, Frodo.

 

[P@triot]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

Here ya go Patriot...just add this to the drivel you're trying to pass off as original thought


Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club


“Fascists!” “Brownshirts!” “Jackbooted stormtroopers!” Such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. But who are the real fascists in our midst? In “Liberal Fascism,” National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the left — and that liberals, from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton, have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler and Mussolini. Replacing manufactured myths with enlightening research, Goldberg begins by showing how the Italian fascism, German Nazism and American Progressivism (forebear of modern liberalism) all drew from the same intellectual foundations the idea that the state can create a kind of social utopia for its citizens. He then traces fascism’s history in the U.S. — from Woodrow Wilson’s war socialism and FDR’s New Deal to today’s liberal push for a greater alliance between big business and government. Finally, Goldberg reveals the striking resemblances between the opinions advanced by Hitler and Mussolini and the current views of the left on such diverse issues as government’s role in the economy, campaign finance reform, campus “speech codes,” education, environmentalism, gun control, abortion, and euthanasia. Impeccably researched and persuasively argued, Liberal Fascism will elicit howls of indignation from the liberal establishment — and rousing cheers from the right. How fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and modern liberalism are all alike in principle, in that all believe that government should be allowed to do whatever it likes, so long as it is for “good reasons” How, before World War II and the Holocaust, fascism was considered a progressive social movement both in the U.S. and Europe — but was redefined afterwards as “right wing” How the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National Socialism”) who loathed the free market, believed in free health care, opposed inherited wealth, spent vast sums on public education, purged Christianity from public policy, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life How the Nazis declared war on smoking; supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control; and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities — where campus speech codes were all the rage Adolph Hitler, Man of the Left: how his views and policies regarding capitalism, class warfare, environmentalism, gun control, euthanasia and even smoking are remarkably close to those of modern liberals How Woodrow Wilson and the other founding fathers of American liberalism were far crueler jingoists and warmongers than modern conservatives have ever been How Wilson’s crackdown on civil liberties in the name of national security far exceeds anything even attempted by Joe McCarthy, much less George W. Bush How Mussolini and Hitler both thought — quite rightly — that they were doing things along the same lines as FDR How, in the 1930s, FDR’s New Deal was praised for its similarity to Italian Fascism — “the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery,” said an influential member of FDR’s team How, just like modern liberals, Mussolini promised a “Third Way” that “went beyond tired categories of left and right” in order to “get things done” Mussolini’s and Hitler’s not-so-secret admirers: how many prominent progressives — from W.E.B. Dubois in the U.S. to George Bernard Shaw England — publicly praised German Nazism and Italian Fascism Liberal fascism and the cult of the state: how progressivism shared with fascism a conviction that, in a truly modern society, the state must take the place of religion How American Progressives, like Hitler’s Nazis, were convinced that the state could, through planning and pressure, create a pure race, a society of new men How Nazis, fascists and American progressives — including Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger — all shared a belief in racial engineering through eugenics, and the alleged “need” for abortion and euthanasia it implied How it was largely Christian conservatives who stood against the progressive enthusiasm for racist eugenics The fascist underpinnings of progressive education The 1960s: fascism takes to the streets — how the New Left used the means and methods of Hitler’s brownshirts and the fascist squadristi to further their agenda How the Kennedy-Johnson era marked the final evolution off Progressivism into a full-blown religion and a national cult of the state — with Kennedy its sacrificial “Christ” and LBJ its Pauline architect The Great Society: LBJ’s fascist utopia How the modern heirs of the fascist tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood The tempting of conservatism: the fascist tendencies lurking in “compassionate conservatism” and other pseudo-conservative trends “‘It is my argument that American liberalism is a totalitarian political religion,’ Jonah Goldberg writes near the beginning of Liberal Fascism. My first reaction was that he is engaging in partisan hyperbole. That turned out to be wrong. Liberal Fascism is nothing less than a portrait of twentieth-century political history as seen through a new prism. It will affect the way I think about that history — and about the trajectory of today’s politics — forever after.” —-Charles Murray, author of “Human Accomplishment” and coauthor (with Richard J. Herrnstein) of “The Bell Curve” “In the greatest hoax of modern history, Russia’s ruling ‘socialist workers party,’ the Communists, established themselves as the polar opposites of their two socialist clones, the National Socialist German Workers Party (quicknamed ‘the Nazis’) and Italy’s Marxist-inspired Fascisti, by branding both as ‘the fascists.’ Jonah Goldberg is the first historian to detail the havoc this spin of all spins has played upon Western thought for the past seventy-five years, very much including the present moment. Love it or loathe it, Liberal Fascism is a book of intellectual history you won’t be able to put down — in either sense of the term.” —Tom Wolfe, author of “Bonfire of the Vanities” and “I Am Charlotte Simmons” “Liberal Fascism will enrage many people on the left, but Jonah Goldberg’s startling thesis deserves serious attention. Going back to the eugenics movement there has been a strain of elitist moral certainty that allows one group of people to believe they have the right to determine the lives of others. We have replaced the divine right of kings with the divine right of self-righteous groups. Goldberg will lead you to new understanding and force you to think deeply.” —Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, author of “Winning the Future” “Jonah Goldberg argues that liberals today have doctrinal and emotional roots in twentieth century European fascism. Many people will be shocked just by the thought that long-discredited fascism could mutate into the spirit of another age. It’s always exhilarating when someone takes on received opinion, but this is not a work of pamphleteering. Goldberg’s insight, supported by a great deal of learning, happens to be right.” —David Pryce-Jones, author of “The Strange Death of the Soviet Union” “Jonah Goldberg brilliantly traces the intellectual roots of fascism to their surprising source, showing not only that its motivating ideas derive from the left but that the liberal fascist impulse is alive and well among contemporary progressives-and is even a temptation for compassionate conservatives.” — Ronald Bailey, science correspondent for Reason magazine - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club

So what exactly is your point here? I've never heard of Jonah Goldberg before this. Clearly he had no influence on me. You can't make an outrageous accusation and then hide behind some obscure name that actually proves you wrong to begin with.

Let's forget about 'ole Jonah here. Not knowing who he is, I have no reason to grant him credibility. I'm still waiting on you to explain how an oppressive, totalitarian ideology could possibly be interpreted as "right-wing" when it is the polar opposite in every conceivable definition.

 

[koshergrl]

I could literally strangle Jonah Goldberg, and Glenn Beck, for starting this ultra nonsensical faulty analogy between Liberals and Fascists. Glenn Beck's attempt to rewrite the political spectrum to support that crap was adorable, and probably well intended, as well as quite delusional. But Goldberg...and his work of fiction...Liberal Fascism. That has lead to this crap being thrown out by every enthusiastic and sophomoric intellectual infantile "so called" conservative who reads it. Fascists hated Liberals almost as much as they hated ethnic minorities.

Like all fascist progressives - you're completely uninformed. For one thing - Glenn Beck explicitly proclaims fascism as "right-wing". Sadly, he's as stupid as you are when it comes to the political spectrum.

Any and all forms of oppressive/authoritarian control is by it's very nature left-wing. The fundamental principle of "right-wing" is liberty and the individual. So naturally, the further right you go (i.e. the more "radical") government gets smaller and smaller, less and less powerful until you reached the end of the spectrum - anarchy. No laws. No rules. No government. The polar opposite of fascism.

Just keep on regurgitating that Goldberg that has your conspiracy loving psyche propped up.

You must LOVE Info Wars

Well...considering I've never even heard of "Goldberg" (unless you are referring to the former Georgia Bulldog defensive lineman turned WWF wrestler), it's safe to say your desperate cries to blame your ignorance on him simply do not uphold in this instance.

First and foremost, it's basic common sense (something you clearly lack). The further right you go, government gets smaller and less powerful until you reach anarchy. No government. No rules. Pure, unadulterated freedom. Fascism is the polar opposite of that and one would have to be incredibly stupid not to realize it. Additionally, Nazi stood for National Socialist. So unless you think socialism is right-wing (which would further deteriorate your already pitiful credibility), it's unequivocally clear that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's were left-wing to their core. Would you deny they were fascists?

Finally, as I have posted on a multitude of occasions now, esteemed and world-renowned economist Friedrich Hayek (who held 3 doctorate degrees, including one for economics - so he has all of the pedigree that libtards love) clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I have clearly illustrated why this is the case (the right believes in the individual and small government so the further right you go the individual becomes more empowered and government becomes smaller until it disappears and there are no laws or rules at all). All you've done is scream "Goldberg" like an idiot with Tourettes Syndrome (without even articulating who or what "Goldberg" is or why he/she/it is relevant). In short, you've been completely obliterated in this discussion. Do you have anything of substance at all to add? I'll give you one last shot before we all just laugh at you and put you on ignore. Can you even remotely articulate how it is you've come to the conclusion that oppressive, totalitarian fascism is on the same side of the political spectrum as libertarians, sovereign citizens, and anarchists without screaming "Goldberg"?!?

Here ya go Patriot...just add this to the drivel you're trying to pass off as original thought


Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club


“Fascists!” “Brownshirts!” “Jackbooted stormtroopers!” Such are the insults typically hurled at conservatives by their liberal opponents. But who are the real fascists in our midst? In “Liberal Fascism,” National Review columnist Jonah Goldberg shows that the original fascists are really on the left — and that liberals, from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton, have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler and Mussolini. Replacing manufactured myths with enlightening research, Goldberg begins by showing how the Italian fascism, German Nazism and American Progressivism (forebear of modern liberalism) all drew from the same intellectual foundations the idea that the state can create a kind of social utopia for its citizens. He then traces fascism’s history in the U.S. — from Woodrow Wilson’s war socialism and FDR’s New Deal to today’s liberal push for a greater alliance between big business and government. Finally, Goldberg reveals the striking resemblances between the opinions advanced by Hitler and Mussolini and the current views of the left on such diverse issues as government’s role in the economy, campaign finance reform, campus “speech codes,” education, environmentalism, gun control, abortion, and euthanasia. Impeccably researched and persuasively argued, Liberal Fascism will elicit howls of indignation from the liberal establishment — and rousing cheers from the right. How fascism, Nazism, Progressivism, and modern liberalism are all alike in principle, in that all believe that government should be allowed to do whatever it likes, so long as it is for “good reasons” How, before World War II and the Holocaust, fascism was considered a progressive social movement both in the U.S. and Europe — but was redefined afterwards as “right wing” How the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National Socialism”) who loathed the free market, believed in free health care, opposed inherited wealth, spent vast sums on public education, purged Christianity from public policy, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life How the Nazis declared war on smoking; supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control; and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities — where campus speech codes were all the rage Adolph Hitler, Man of the Left: how his views and policies regarding capitalism, class warfare, environmentalism, gun control, euthanasia and even smoking are remarkably close to those of modern liberals How Woodrow Wilson and the other founding fathers of American liberalism were far crueler jingoists and warmongers than modern conservatives have ever been How Wilson’s crackdown on civil liberties in the name of national security far exceeds anything even attempted by Joe McCarthy, much less George W. Bush How Mussolini and Hitler both thought — quite rightly — that they were doing things along the same lines as FDR How, in the 1930s, FDR’s New Deal was praised for its similarity to Italian Fascism — “the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery,” said an influential member of FDR’s team How, just like modern liberals, Mussolini promised a “Third Way” that “went beyond tired categories of left and right” in order to “get things done” Mussolini’s and Hitler’s not-so-secret admirers: how many prominent progressives — from W.E.B. Dubois in the U.S. to George Bernard Shaw England — publicly praised German Nazism and Italian Fascism Liberal fascism and the cult of the state: how progressivism shared with fascism a conviction that, in a truly modern society, the state must take the place of religion How American Progressives, like Hitler’s Nazis, were convinced that the state could, through planning and pressure, create a pure race, a society of new men How Nazis, fascists and American progressives — including Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger — all shared a belief in racial engineering through eugenics, and the alleged “need” for abortion and euthanasia it implied How it was largely Christian conservatives who stood against the progressive enthusiasm for racist eugenics The fascist underpinnings of progressive education The 1960s: fascism takes to the streets — how the New Left used the means and methods of Hitler’s brownshirts and the fascist squadristi to further their agenda How the Kennedy-Johnson era marked the final evolution off Progressivism into a full-blown religion and a national cult of the state — with Kennedy its sacrificial “Christ” and LBJ its Pauline architect The Great Society: LBJ’s fascist utopia How the modern heirs of the fascist tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood The tempting of conservatism: the fascist tendencies lurking in “compassionate conservatism” and other pseudo-conservative trends “‘It is my argument that American liberalism is a totalitarian political religion,’ Jonah Goldberg writes near the beginning of Liberal Fascism. My first reaction was that he is engaging in partisan hyperbole. That turned out to be wrong. Liberal Fascism is nothing less than a portrait of twentieth-century political history as seen through a new prism. It will affect the way I think about that history — and about the trajectory of today’s politics — forever after.” —-Charles Murray, author of “Human Accomplishment” and coauthor (with Richard J. Herrnstein) of “The Bell Curve” “In the greatest hoax of modern history, Russia’s ruling ‘socialist workers party,’ the Communists, established themselves as the polar opposites of their two socialist clones, the National Socialist German Workers Party (quicknamed ‘the Nazis’) and Italy’s Marxist-inspired Fascisti, by branding both as ‘the fascists.’ Jonah Goldberg is the first historian to detail the havoc this spin of all spins has played upon Western thought for the past seventy-five years, very much including the present moment. Love it or loathe it, Liberal Fascism is a book of intellectual history you won’t be able to put down — in either sense of the term.” —Tom Wolfe, author of “Bonfire of the Vanities” and “I Am Charlotte Simmons” “Liberal Fascism will enrage many people on the left, but Jonah Goldberg’s startling thesis deserves serious attention. Going back to the eugenics movement there has been a strain of elitist moral certainty that allows one group of people to believe they have the right to determine the lives of others. We have replaced the divine right of kings with the divine right of self-righteous groups. Goldberg will lead you to new understanding and force you to think deeply.” —Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House, author of “Winning the Future” “Jonah Goldberg argues that liberals today have doctrinal and emotional roots in twentieth century European fascism. Many people will be shocked just by the thought that long-discredited fascism could mutate into the spirit of another age. It’s always exhilarating when someone takes on received opinion, but this is not a work of pamphleteering. Goldberg’s insight, supported by a great deal of learning, happens to be right.” —David Pryce-Jones, author of “The Strange Death of the Soviet Union” “Jonah Goldberg brilliantly traces the intellectual roots of fascism to their surprising source, showing not only that its motivating ideas derive from the left but that the liberal fascist impulse is alive and well among contemporary progressives-and is even a temptation for compassionate conservatives.” — Ronald Bailey, science correspondent for Reason magazine - See more at: Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning | Jonah Goldberg | Conservative Book Club

So what exactly is your point here? I've never heard of Jonah Goldberg before this. Clearly he had no influence on me. You can't make an outrageous accusation and then hide behind some obscure name that actually proves you wrong to begin with.

Let's forget about 'ole Jonah here. Not knowing who he is, I have no reason to grant him credibility. I'm still waiting on you to explain how an oppressive, totalitarian ideology could possibly be interpreted as "right-wing" when it is the polar opposite in every conceivable definition.

I think the commie has been born again and is illustrating his agreement with us?

He seems to be obsessed with this Goldberg fellow.

 

[P@triot]

Friedrich Hayek clearly made the distinction back during the time of fascism (the 1930's) that it was exclusively a left wing ideology.

I can't really link to his book - you just have to go buy it and then actually read it. About the best I can do is quote for you and add a link to the book:

“Some of the most damning, in fact, come from men who not long before had themselves been members of the Labour party. Thus Mr. Ivor Thomas, in a book apparently intended to explain why he left that party, comes to the conclusion that “from the point of view of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist or totalitarian state . . . in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism.”

“Few are ready to recognize that the rise of fascism and naziism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies”

“Have not the parties of the Left as well as those of the Right been deceived by believing that the National Socialist party was in the service of the capitalists and opposed to all forms of socialism?”

“While “progressives” in England and elsewhere were still deluding themselves that communism and fascism represented opposite poles, more and more people began to ask themselves whether these new tyrannies were not the outcome of the same tendencies.”

Excerpt From: F. A. Hayek. “The Road to Serfdom.” University of Chicago Press, 2010-04-06. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright.

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It literally continues through out the entire book but these few passages are more than enough proof. I highly recommend reading it. It is a comprehensive look at economics and where those systems ultimately lead to.