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I know damned well what he means...The "rights" are all held by the ruling class, to be dealt out to the proles in the way they best see fit...This is a state where gubmint (i.e. "society") is God.
He's a closeted communist....Simple as that.
^ That's an irrational emotionalistic response, not one that addressed the post.
If God isn't real, than the "certain unalienable rights" were not endowed upon us by "our creator," but by the authors who put the words to paper. That's just reality for an atheist, not an appeal to any authority <--you read that into the phrase on your own because you cannot accept that some people simply don't believe in God.
Belief in God is not a prerequisit to believing in Freedom & Liberty. That's irrational/illogical.
by stating that "there is no God" it also means you're saying that MEN came to the conclusion of the said rights that are unalienable - OBVIOUSLY.
I know damned well what he means...The "rights" are all held by the ruling class, to be dealt out to the proles in the way they best see fit...This is a state where gubmint (i.e. "society") is God.
He's a closeted communist....Simple as that.
^ That's an irrational emotionalistic response, not one that addressed the post.
If God isn't real, than the "certain unalienable rights" were not endowed upon us by "our creator," but by the authors who put the words to paper. That's just reality for an atheist, not an appeal to any authority <--you read that into the phrase on your own because you cannot accept that some people simply don't believe in God.
Belief in God is not a prerequisit to believing in Freedom & Liberty. That's irrational/illogical.
I'm an atheist, but I'm also a believer in natural rights. How does your theory explain that. "Your creator" can be translated to mean "nature." Rights are something you are born with. Government doesn't create them.
My original point was - that the unalienable rights according to an atheist are NECESSARILY made up by human beings.
I think that view is obtusely literal. The idea of god-given rights isn't a religious concept. It's a statement that rights are a consequence of existence, they are freedoms you have by default and can only be take from you by other people interfering - by others actively violating your rights. We establish government to protect those rights, not 'create' them.
I'm an atheist, but I'm also a believer in natural rights. How does your theory explain that. "Your creator" can be translated to mean "nature." Rights are something you are born with. Government doesn't create them.
You can believe you're born with them all you want, but you can't logically prove it at all, which is why it was made into law.
According to what? If it's according to you, or any humans - than it's a human concept not a divine one.
If it's according to God - than it's merely inapplicable to an atheist.
Just as there are natural principles involved in growing a bacteria culture, there are also principles for developing a healthy society. Those principles are called "rights."
According to what? If it's according to you, or any humans - than it's a human concept not a divine one.
If it's according to God - than it's merely inapplicable to an atheist.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
Just as there are natural principles involved in growing a bacteria culture, there are also principles for developing a healthy society. Those principles are called "rights."
By this analysis, health care would have to be a right.
According to what? If it's according to you, or any humans - than it's a human concept not a divine one.
If it's according to God - than it's merely inapplicable to an atheist.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is blind
Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
According to what? If it's according to you, or any humans - than it's a human concept not a divine one.
If it's according to God - than it's merely inapplicable to an atheist.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
I'm an atheist, but I'm also a believer in natural rights. How does your theory explain that. "Your creator" can be translated to mean "nature." Rights are something you are born with. Government doesn't create them.
You can believe you're born with them all you want, but you can't logically prove it at all, which is why it was made into law.
Obviously wrong. According to your theory, rights are indistinguishable from the law. That would mean that Nazis didn't violate anyone's rights when they put Jews in gas ovens.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is blind
Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
What does that idiocy have to do with my question?
Just as there are natural principles involved in growing a bacteria culture, there are also principles for developing a healthy society. Those principles are called "rights."
By this analysis, health care would have to be a right.
Only if you're a really shallow liberal toady who doesn't think.
Compulsion is not a principle that leads to a healthy society.
According to what? If it's according to you, or any humans - than it's a human concept not a divine one.
If it's according to God - than it's merely inapplicable to an atheist.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
The Law of Gravity is observable.
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
God is love
Love is blind
Stevie Wonder is blind
Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
What does that idiocy have to do with my question?
Is the law of gravity a human concept or a divine one?
The Law of Gravity is observable.
So are the effects of violating people's rights. Witness the collapse of the Soviet Union, for example.
By this analysis, health care would have to be a right.
Only if you're a really shallow liberal toady who doesn't think.
Compulsion is not a principle that leads to a healthy society.
Compulsion is implicit in the acceptance of any social rule of any kind. If you have the right to free speech, and I'm supposed to honor that, then I am in fact compelled toward an action.
[In any event, that has nothing to do with what I was saying in the first place. If natural rights arise from "principles" that develop a healthy society, then health care would be a right. A healthy society does not develop when people are needlessly dying and suffering from treatable health problems.
The Law of Gravity is observable.
So are the effects of violating people's rights. Witness the collapse of the Soviet Union, for example.
That literally doesn't mean anything at all to the conversation of how rights are concluded.
