The Lies of Franklin Roosevelt

[PoliticalChic]

It's too bad that this post goes in "History," because the FDR endeavors are largely responsible for the social breakdown we face today....

Our social fabric would no doubt be more to your liking if the Allies had lost the war:

Godwin's Law Review

1. Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart.
Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

"...to your liking if the Allies had lost the war."
QED....you are an ass.



2. Here is one reason...of many.....that prove that you have not ensured that you are smart:
In your post is the assumption that Stalin's psychotic regime was essential in defeating Hitler.

Experts advised FDR that that would not be the case.




3. "Not only did FDR overlook the external evidence; FDR ignored the counsel of key experts at the State Department, which, at the time, was home...to an educated and experienced cadre of anti-Communists....who would be neutralized and purged....n 1937...the Russian research library at the State Department was broken up, the files on Communists, foreign and domestic, ordered destroyed. The second, in 1943. Both purges took place under Soviet pressure and even direction as when in March 1943 Foreign Minister Litvinov, incredibly, handed over a list of American diplomats the Soviets wanted fired....a "guilt offering to Stalin from Roosevelt"...
West, "American Betrayal," p.193.




4. What could, should have happened? When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941, America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile, leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war."

These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.



You poor, sad thing.....just one more of he hordes who have limited knowledge, but strong opinions.

 

[gipper]

It's too bad that this post goes in "History," because the FDR endeavors are largely responsible for the social breakdown we face today....

Our social fabric would no doubt be more to your liking if the Allies had lost the war:

Godwin's Law Review

You are under the mistaken belief that the USA won WWII. We did not. The Soviets won and by doing so, expanded their empire greatly...to say nothing of the commie take over of China, which was also a consequence of our poor leadership during WWII.

 

[Agit8r]

It's too bad that this post goes in "History," because the FDR endeavors are largely responsible for the social breakdown we face today....

Our social fabric would no doubt be more to your liking if the Allies had lost the war:

Godwin's Law Review

1. Before being a smartass, it is wise to first ensure one is smart.
Otherwise one is merely being an ass.
Someone should have informed you.

"...to your liking if the Allies had lost the war."
QED....you are an ass.



2. Here is one reason...of many.....that prove that you have not ensured that you are smart:
In your post is the assumption that Stalin's psychotic regime was essential in defeating Hitler.

Experts advised FDR that that would not be the case.




3. "Not only did FDR overlook the external evidence; FDR ignored the counsel of key experts at the State Department, which, at the time, was home...to an educated and experienced cadre of anti-Communists....who would be neutralized and purged....n 1937...the Russian research library at the State Department was broken up, the files on Communists, foreign and domestic, ordered destroyed. The second, in 1943. Both purges took place under Soviet pressure and even direction as when in March 1943 Foreign Minister Litvinov, incredibly, handed over a list of American diplomats the Soviets wanted fired....a "guilt offering to Stalin from Roosevelt"...
West, "American Betrayal," p.193.




4. What could, should have happened? When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941, America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile, leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war."

These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.



You poor, sad thing.....just one more of he hordes who have limited knowledge, but strong opinions.

You are reading way beyond what I wrote. Stalin may or may not have been a necessary ally. For the sake of this conversation, I do not care.

The fact is that were it not for FDR, Nazi Germany would have been the first to have the A-bomb, this continent would be speaking German, the Jewish people would not exist, and numerous other ill consequences. But fucking traditionalist identity politics would likely be alive and well.

 

[Unkotare]

Apparently you need help with the question, what were the violations of the Constitution by FDR? ?

I've addressed this question several times now. YOU continue to duck my question. You are transparent and pathetic. No wonder you never try to think for yourself - you suck at it.

 

[Unkotare]

The fact is that were it not for FDR, Nazi Germany would have been the first to have the A-bomb, this continent would be speaking German, the Jewish people would not exist, and numerous other ill consequences.

What makes you think that?

 

[Agit8r]

The fact is that were it not for FDR, Nazi Germany would have been the first to have the A-bomb, this continent would be speaking German, the Jewish people would not exist, and numerous other ill consequences.

What makes you think that?

Well, A) The Republican Party largely did not favor war against Germany at all, or even Lend-Lease.

And B) The Democrats did not have another charismatic leader type to get Lend Lease through, and to maintain the political will of the country during the lead-up to war.

 

[Camp]

Which FACTS don't you believe? This is not "revisionist history," it's just plain history. The FACT is that FDR signed Executive Order 9906 and threw over 100,000 innocent people, the majority of them US CITIZENS into concentration camps. Barbed wire, armed guard towers, the whole works. Are you trying to say you don't believe this FACT? Are YOU trying to 'revise' history?

You know damn well they were not concentration camps. When speaking about WWII, concentration camps have a very specific definition. Concentration camps discribe places of horror where human beings were starved, tortured and murdered. Concentration camps were places were small children and grandmothers were treated like animals. So fuck you and your accusation that that kind of thing happened in this country by and to Americans. Everyone is in agreement that the Japanese internment camps were wrong. We also understand that the country was in a panic and feared that the Japanese had spys and sabateurs. We overreacted. We don't need assholes accusing us of doing something a thousand times worse in an effort to spread some negative propaganda and portraying us as being the same as the Nazi's. And anyhow, you are simply deflecting from having to defend the hack/conspiracy revisionist history you want to push, which is impossible to do with the shit sources used in this thread.

1. "You know damn well they were not concentration camps. When speaking about WWII, concentration camps have a very specific definition. Concentration camps discribe places of horror where human beings were starved, tortured and murdered."

a. Hitler's SS was actually taught by Stalin's minions how to construct and manage both concentration camps and mass murder.

b. FDR was informed as to the above.

c. FDR embraced Stalin.


2. While the power of Hegel, and belief in the state informed German world views, American history mitigated the effects of concentration camps.

But there is no denying that Roosevelt endorsed the use thereof.


3. Your post is but one more example of your slobbering defense of Roosevelt.

a., b., and c., are based on nothing more than your opinions based on hack syle sources from political commentators, distorted further to make a special agenda point. 2. is the same kind of garbadge and 3. is not my slobbering defense of Roosevelt, rather it is my slobbering defense of accurate history. People who twist and distort history the way you do for selfish political agenda's put politics in front of national security and the possibility for us to learn from our past, both the negative and positive, the good and the bad.

 

[regent]

Apparently you need help with the question, what were the violations of the Constitution by FDR? ?

I've addressed this question several times now. YOU continue to duck my question. You are transparent and pathetic. No wonder you never try to think for yourself - you suck at it.

Well I tried. You accused FDR of many things, one being he violated the Constitution, so I pursued that charge, and you gave your usual relocation camp response which according to the Court was not unConstitutional. I even gave you some hints of other unconstitutioanl charges made against FDR and nothing. Do you have any other Constitutional charges against FDR that you would like to bring up or is the relocation camps about the extent of it?

 

[Unkotare]

The fact is that were it not for FDR, Nazi Germany would have been the first to have the A-bomb, this continent would be speaking German, the Jewish people would not exist, and numerous other ill consequences.

What makes you think that?

Well, A) The Republican Party largely did not favor war against Germany at all.

Neither did FDR, according to his lies.

 

[Unkotare]

And B) The Democrats did not have another charismatic leader type to get Lend Lease through, and to maintain the political will of the country during the lead-up to war.

FDR didn't "maintain" any such will.

 

[Unkotare]

Apparently you need help with the question, what were the violations of the Constitution by FDR? ?

I've addressed this question several times now. YOU continue to duck my question. You are transparent and pathetic. No wonder you never try to think for yourself - you suck at it.

Well I tried.

All you tried to do was duck, distort, and avoid. No wonder you never bothered trying to think for yourself before.

 

[Agit8r]

And B) The Democrats did not have another charismatic leader type to get Lend Lease through, and to maintain the political will of the country during the lead-up to war.

FDR didn't "maintain" any such will.

The hell he didn't. He was probably the most influential president on public opinion of all time. Not saying that it is an ideal model for a healthy democracy, but when we look back at history, most of us just see the results.

 

[gipper]

The fact is that were it not for FDR, Nazi Germany would have been the first to have the A-bomb, this continent would be speaking German, the Jewish people would not exist, and numerous other ill consequences.

What makes you think that?

Well, A) The Republican Party largely did not favor war against Germany at all, or even Lend-Lease.

And B) The Democrats did not have another charismatic leader type to get Lend Lease through, and to maintain the political will of the country during the lead-up to war.

So we went to war to defeat Germany, only to give half of Europe to an even worse dictator and political ideology. Not too smart really.

FDR was told of Stalin's many heinous acts and true nature, but purposely chose to ignore those warnings. Germany and the USSR were allies and had partitioned Poland together, while Uncle Joe confiscated the Baltic States in 1939. Stalin had every intention of world domination. He was intending to attack Germany in 1941 and conquer all of Europe, but Adolf beat him to the punch. These are facts few Americans apparently are aware of.

We would have been much better off not getting involved in WWII so that the two bastards, Hitler and Stalin, killed each other along with their tyrannical ideologies.

 

[Art__Allm]

One capable of thinking and comprehending, would dispute the statements made in the OP that clearly show FDR a stooge for Stalin, rather than believe what they are told by statist historians. Logic dictates that one must evaluate ALL the facts known to us today, before making a conclusion.

But then, we know you are not capable of logical thinking. You prefer to be TOLD what to think....you would do well in the USSR.

Do you really believe that FDR was a stooge of Uncle Joe?
Was it not the other way round?

I think that the real masters of Uncle Joe and FDR had their headquarters in the Wall Street area.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One capable of thinking and comprehending, would dispute the statements made in the OP that clearly show FDR a stooge for Stalin, rather than believe what they are told by statist historians. Logic dictates that one must evaluate ALL the facts known to us today, before making a conclusion.

But then, we know you are not capable of logical thinking. You prefer to be TOLD what to think....you would do well in the USSR.

Do you really believe that FDR was a stooge of Uncle Joe?
Was it not the other way round?

I think that the real masters of Uncle Joe and FDR had their headquarters in the Wall Street area.

What an interesting post....obviously from someone who hasn't a clue about history.



1. FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. One of his first official acts was to recognize the USSR, November 16th, 1933.

2. If this act, based on FDR's additional pro-Soviet endeavors, was rational....then these folks must have been irrational: "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.



3. Well, one might say, why didn't the previous President's agree prior to FDR...and what made him change US policy?

a. "On December 6, 1917, the U.S. Government broke off diplomatic relations with Russia, shortly after the Bolshevik Party seized power from the Tsarist regime after the “October Revolution.” President Woodrow Wilson decided to withhold recognition at that time because the new Bolshevik government had refused to honor prior debts to the United States incurred by the Tsarist government, ignored pre-existing treaty agreements with other nations, and seized American property in Russia following the October Revolution. The Bolsheviks had also concluded a separate peace with Germany at Brest-Litovsk in March 1918, ending Russian involvement in World War I." Recognition of the Soviet Union, 1933 - 1921?1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


4. Bear in mind, eight months earlier, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine: "In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)

a. Malcolm Muggeridge " was the first writer to reveal the true nature of Stalin s regime when in 1933 he exposed the terror famine in the Ukraine. " [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Time-Eternity-Uncollected-Writings-Muggeridge/dp/1570759057]Time and Eternity: The Uncollected Writings of Malcolm Muggeridge: Malcolm Muggeridge, Nicholas Flynn: 9781570759055: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

Think Roosevelt knew?



5. Roosevelt signed the recognition agreement: Litvinov "returned to the Soviet embassy.....all smiles....and said 'Well, it's all in the bag; we have it.'" On September 23, 1939, Dr. D. H. Dombrowsky testified before the Dies committee. The Winona Republican-Herald ? 20 October 1947 ? Page 12 - Newspapers.com

a. The agreement that Litvinov signed promised:
" To respect scrupulously the indisputable right of the United States to order its own life within its own jurisdiction in its own way and to refrain from interfering in any manner in the internal affairs of the United States, its territories or possessions.... in particular, from any act tending to incite or encourage armed intervention, or any agitation or propaganda having as an aim, the violation of the territorial integrity of the United States, its territories or possessions, or the bringing about by force of a change in the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States, its territories or possessions.... Not to permit the formation or residence on its territory of any organization or group--and to prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which makes claim to be the Government of,... prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which has as an aim the overthrow or the preparation for the overthrow of, or the bringing about by force of a change in, the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States,...etc." Roosevelt-Litvinov

Get it? They promised no espionage, no CPUSA....


b. "FDR had knowledge of two glaring examples of communist conspiracy specifically directed against the United States." Hoover, Op. Cit.

Yeah....FDR knew.

 

[Art__Allm]

So we went to war to defeat Germany, only to give half of Europe to an even worse dictator and political ideology. Not too smart really.

But this was good for the financial elite of the USA, wasn't it?

Brits were the biggest losers, they lost their Empire because of the stupidity of their leaders.

Uncle Joe and Uncle Sam (speak the Wall Street) were interested in the collapse of the British Empire, but Brits were unable to figure that out.

They allied with Uncle Joe who was pushing for World Revolution, for the establishment of Communism in the entire Europe, for freeing the people of British Colonies, and who had killed millions of Christians in Russia.

The Brits declared war to an Anglophile who wanted the re-unification with former German provinces (and the citizens of Danzig wanted the re-unification with the rest of Germany, too) and neglected the Proposal of this Anglophile, who admired the British Empire, and who proposed to send his troops to protect the interests of the British Empire.

From Wikipedia:

After the war, Ribbentrop testified that in 1935 Hitler had promised to deliver twelve German divisions to the disposal of Britain for maintaining the integrity of her colonial possessions.[100]

 

[regent]

As our first Secretary of State Jefferson adopted a policy of recognizing any legitimate government; legitimate government being one that was in charge of the nation and was not being contested. It was not question of liking or disliking the new government but the reality of power. That was American policy and FDR abided by that policy and recognized the Soviet Union. At the same time the old czarist government owed the US billions of dollars and agreed to pay some of that debt, at the same time American businessmen put pressure on FDR to recognize the USSR so we might begin a trade program. FDR recognized the Soviet Union in 1933, to carry out our usual recognition practice and to open up trade and hopefully get some of that money back that owed to the US.

 

[Unkotare]

And B) The Democrats did not have another charismatic leader type to get Lend Lease through, and to maintain the political will of the country during the lead-up to war.

FDR didn't "maintain" any such will.

The hell he didn't. .

He sure as hell didn't. There was no public will to go to war in Europe or anywhere else at the time. He ran on staying out of the war himself, though he knew damn well it was coming. Public 'will' didn't shift until after Pearl Harbor, which a more adroit leader might have avoided or foreseen (not to mention the suggestions that he knew it was coming but let it - but I'm not into the conspiracy thing on that). He was a dishonest, racist, arrogant, power-hungry narcissist - which made him such a useful fool for Stalin. The most dangerous scum to ever sully OUR White House.

 

[gipper]

FDR was a useful idiot if there ever was one. He did Stalin's bidding and allowed Stalin to win the war and conquer half of Europe. His failures with the economy and the war, are epic...and yet, many Americans think he was a great leader. It is terribly nauseating.

It is further proof that the State has become first and foremost, in a nation founded on individual liberty, natural rights, and limited government. It is all so disheartening.

 

[regent]

FDR was a useful idiot if there ever was one. He did Stalin's bidding and allowed Stalin to win the war and conquer half of Europe. His failures with the economy and the war are epic...and yet, many Americans think he was a great leader. It is terribly nauseating.

It is further proof that the State has become first and foremost, in a nation founded on individual liberty, natural rights, and limited government. It is all so disheartening.

The American people at the time believed FDR was one of the best, that's why they voted for him four times. In fact, he may have been the most beloved president of the American people, bar none. That we will never know. He instituted programs that are still with us, and some of those are programs are in economics. And as I have mentioned a few times, FDR has never been rated by historians as less than one of America's three greatest presidents and in the last rating, America's greatest. I wonder what the people of FDR's time knew and what historians know today that FDR rates so high?