The Lies of Franklin Roosevelt

[bullwinkle]

Garbage!

 

[regent]

Garbage!

Nope, the Siena poll of presidents did not have a catagory labeled garbage, but the 238 historians did use twenty criteria to rate the presidents. FDR was not winner in each catatory. The historians rated each president on:
Background
Imagination
Integrity
Intelligence
Luck
Willing to take chances
Avoid crucial mistakes
Court approintments
Domestic accomplishments
Executive appointments
Foreign policy accomplishments
Handling of US Economy
Party leadership
Relationship to Congress
Ability to compromise
Communication ability
Executive ability
Leadership ability
Overall ability
Present overall view

Nope, no garbage

 

[gipper]

FDR was a useful idiot if there ever was one. He did Stalin's bidding and allowed Stalin to win the war and conquer half of Europe. His failures with the economy and the war are epic...and yet, many Americans think he was a great leader. It is terribly nauseating.

It is further proof that the State has become first and foremost, in a nation founded on individual liberty, natural rights, and limited government. It is all so disheartening.

The American people at the time believed FDR was one of the best, that's why they voted for him four times. In fact, he may have been the most beloved president of the American people, bar none. That we will never know. He instituted programs that are still with us, and some of those are programs are in economics. And as I have mentioned a few times, FDR has never been rated by historians as less than one of America's three greatest presidents and in the last rating, America's greatest. I wonder what the people of FDR's time knew and what historians know today that FDR rates so high?

Citing Americans voting for FDR four times, as proof of his greatness, is foolish. Americans have a long history of voting for terrible leaders. The current POTUS is a perfect example, just as is FDR.

And citing statist historians as proof of FDR's greatness, is equally foolish. Of course they love FDR...they are statists just like he was.

One must research the record for themselves and then make a conclusion on the facts. When one does this, it becomes apparent that FDR was a terrible failure.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a useful idiot if there ever was one. He did Stalin's bidding and allowed Stalin to win the war and conquer half of Europe. His failures with the economy and the war are epic...and yet, many Americans think he was a great leader. It is terribly nauseating.

It is further proof that the State has become first and foremost, in a nation founded on individual liberty, natural rights, and limited government. It is all so disheartening.

The American people at the time believed FDR was one of the best, that's why they voted for him four times. In fact, he may have been the most beloved president of the American people, bar none. That we will never know. He instituted programs that are still with us, and some of those are programs are in economics. And as I have mentioned a few times, FDR has never been rated by historians as less than one of America's three greatest presidents and in the last rating, America's greatest. I wonder what the people of FDR's time knew and what historians know today that FDR rates so high?

None of which addresses his relationship with Stalin and the psychotic Marxist regime.


But you know that, don't you.

 

[regent]

For some reason I have faith in the evaluations of the historians that lived through the FDR-Stalin period and followed those events first-hand. Add to those historians on the scene, we now have historians that came after the FDR-Stalin period and have had time to sift through the historical sources and make another evaluation and both evaluations come out similar.
As little history as I know I could question a number of things FDR did that I think might demand more scrutiny and could be labeled mistakes, a number of them being mistakes for political reasons, but politics is our government.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For some reason I have faith in the evaluations of the historians that lived through the FDR-Stalin period and followed those events first-hand. Add to those historians on the scene, we now have historians that came after the FDR-Stalin period and have had time to sift through the historical sources and make another evaluation and both evaluations come out similar.
As little history as I know I could question a number of things FDR did that I think might demand more scrutiny and could be labeled mistakes, a number of them being mistakes for political reasons, but politics is our government.

I accept your right to faith-based analysis.

Glad we agree that it isn't fact-based.

 

[regent]

For some reason I have faith in the evaluations of the historians that lived through the FDR-Stalin period and followed those events first-hand. Add to those historians on the scene, we now have historians that came after the FDR-Stalin period and have had time to sift through the historical sources and make another evaluation and both evaluations come out similar.
As little history as I know I could question a number of things FDR did that I think might demand more scrutiny and could be labeled mistakes, a number of them being mistakes for political reasons, but politics is our government.

I accept your right to faith-based analysis.

Glad we agree that it isn't fact-based.

Yes, I have faith in the historians facts. I would suspect those facts as being more truthful than many poster's.

 

[Cecilie1200]

For some reason I have faith in the evaluations of the historians that lived through the FDR-Stalin period and followed those events first-hand. Add to those historians on the scene, we now have historians that came after the FDR-Stalin period and have had time to sift through the historical sources and make another evaluation and both evaluations come out similar.
As little history as I know I could question a number of things FDR did that I think might demand more scrutiny and could be labeled mistakes, a number of them being mistakes for political reasons, but politics is our government.

I accept your right to faith-based analysis.

Glad we agree that it isn't fact-based.

Yes, I have faith in the historians facts. I would suspect those facts as being more truthful than many poster's.

I would suspect your skull of being filled with tapioca pudding. It's apparent you have no use for any sort of thinking apparatus.

 

[natstew]

FDR is responsible for the Communist genocide of almost 100 million humans. The world would have been a better place if he didn't so openly support Mao and Stalin.

You must get this information to the historians of America, every historical group in this country should know this new information. As soon as the historians know what you know they will stop rating FDR as America's greatest president and rate him, at least sixth worst, just below Bush. Don't waste a minute.

regent, your sarcasm is disgusting!

 

[Camp]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

 

[PoliticalChic]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

"These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt."

No more than your posts are meant as hagiography.


They simply reveal more truth than you can handle.

 

[PoliticalChic]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

"More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited (sic) from programs he instituted and projects he instigated."


Is there a place on that scale for the 100 million plus who died at the hands of the communists for whom FDR served as facilitator?

 

[Unkotare]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. .

His own actions and attitudes did that.

 

[Unkotare]

Nor do they complain about the Dam's [sic] he built .

Actually, a lot of people (mainly on the left) do complain about them.

 

[gipper]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

 

[regent]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

 

[Camp]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

"These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt."

No more than your posts are meant as hagiography.


They simply reveal more truth than you can handle.

Nope, not hagiography. Convenient rhetoric on your part to call it that.
Your propaganda about FDR doesn't reveal truth. It is exactly what I described, an effort to fool people, to trick people, to misinform people. Your constant use of FDR's giving diplomatic recognition to the USSR is a great example. You present it as some sort of proof that FDR was trying to help the USSR and give support to Stalin. What you omit are factors that can be found in your own sources if a person reads beyond the quick quotes you post or site.
FDR was under pressure to give diplomatic recognition to the USSR. The recognition had been denied after the revolution and murder of the Czar and his family and the USSR had been created. By the time FDR came into the picture most countries who had also halted diplomatic recognition had renewed it. When the US halted recognition Russia owed billions of dollars to US interest. Those debts could not even be considered for settlement unless and until recognition was instigated. At the same time, US business wanted recognition and pressured FDR to recognize the USSR with the hopes that it would assist in establishing trade. This was in the middle of the depression.
In addition to the economic considerations, the USSR was viewed as an invaluable tool to put restrictions on Japanese exspansion. FDR hoped, correctly, that recognition would lead to influence and the influence could be used to keep Japan in check to a limited but strategicly valuable degree.
Another part of the agreement that led to recognition of the USSR was that they agreed to stop funding and supporting communist groups in the US. They agreed to not interfere with America's domestic policies and internal business.
And yet another part of the agreement was to allow freedom of religion to Amecican's living in the USSR. Along with that, specific legal rights were granted to American citizens living in the USSR.
So not recognizing the USSR meant no legal rights for American citizens in the USSR and no freedom of religion. It meant no repayment of billions of dollars in debt and a hindrance to international trade during the depression. It meant a possibility of a USSR/Japaness agreement that would allow Japan to focus resources in the southern zone facing western controlled oil fields and enabled an earlier attack on the southern zone.

 

[PoliticalChic]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

"These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt."

No more than your posts are meant as hagiography.


They simply reveal more truth than you can handle.

Nope, not hagiography. Convenient rhetoric on your part to call it that.
Your propaganda about FDR doesn't reveal truth. It is exactly what I described, an effort to fool people, to trick people, to misinform people. Your constant use of FDR's giving diplomatic recognition to the USSR is a great example. You present it as some sort of proof that FDR was trying to help the USSR and give support to Stalin. What you omit are factors that can be found in your own sources if a person reads beyond the quick quotes you post or site.
FDR was under pressure to give diplomatic recognition to the USSR. The recognition had been denied after the revolution and murder of the Czar and his family and the USSR had been created. By the time FDR came into the picture most countries who had also halted diplomatic recognition had renewed it. When the US halted recognition Russia owed billions of dollars to US interest. Those debts could not even be considered for settlement unless and until recognition was instigated. At the same time, US business wanted recognition and pressured FDR to recognize the USSR with the hopes that it would assist in establishing trade. This was in the middle of the depression.
In addition to the economic considerations, the USSR was viewed as an invaluable tool to put restrictions on Japanese exspansion. FDR hoped, correctly, that recognition would lead to influence and the influence could be used to keep Japan in check to a limited but strategicly valuable degree.
Another part of the agreement that led to recognition of the USSR was that they agreed to stop funding and supporting communist groups in the US. They agreed to not interfere with America's domestic policies and internal business.
And yet another part of the agreement was to allow freedom of religion to Amecican's living in the USSR. Along with that, specific legal rights were granted to American citizens living in the USSR.
So not recognizing the USSR meant no legal rights for American citizens in the USSR and no freedom of religion. It meant no repayment of billions of dollars in debt and a hindrance to international trade during the depression. It meant a possibility of a USSR/Japaness agreement that would allow Japan to focus resources in the southern zone facing western controlled oil fields and enabled an earlier attack on the southern zone.

"Your propaganda about FDR doesn't reveal truth."

Let's see if I can shove those words right back down your kisser.


Provide a couple of examples of things I've posted about FDR that aren't the truth.


Otherwise, you're self-identified as a lying sack of offal.


Balls in your court.

 

[Unkotare]

During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president.

No other president ran four times in a row, fool. Prior to that scumbag FDR, all presidents had followed the custom set by Washington. Because of that scumbag FDR, we had to pass the 22nd Amendment.


And there are/were despots the world over who were elected a lot more than four times. That in no way indicates that they were/are good leaders or decent human beings.

 

[Camp]

"These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt."

No more than your posts are meant as hagiography.


They simply reveal more truth than you can handle.

Nope, not hagiography. Convenient rhetoric on your part to call it that.
Your propaganda about FDR doesn't reveal truth. It is exactly what I described, an effort to fool people, to trick people, to misinform people. Your constant use of FDR's giving diplomatic recognition to the USSR is a great example. You present it as some sort of proof that FDR was trying to help the USSR and give support to Stalin. What you omit are factors that can be found in your own sources if a person reads beyond the quick quotes you post or site.
FDR was under pressure to give diplomatic recognition to the USSR. The recognition had been denied after the revolution and murder of the Czar and his family and the USSR had been created. By the time FDR came into the picture most countries who had also halted diplomatic recognition had renewed it. When the US halted recognition Russia owed billions of dollars to US interest. Those debts could not even be considered for settlement unless and until recognition was instigated. At the same time, US business wanted recognition and pressured FDR to recognize the USSR with the hopes that it would assist in establishing trade. This was in the middle of the depression.
In addition to the economic considerations, the USSR was viewed as an invaluable tool to put restrictions on Japanese exspansion. FDR hoped, correctly, that recognition would lead to influence and the influence could be used to keep Japan in check to a limited but strategicly valuable degree.
Another part of the agreement that led to recognition of the USSR was that they agreed to stop funding and supporting communist groups in the US. They agreed to not interfere with America's domestic policies and internal business.
And yet another part of the agreement was to allow freedom of religion to Amecican's living in the USSR. Along with that, specific legal rights were granted to American citizens living in the USSR.
So not recognizing the USSR meant no legal rights for American citizens in the USSR and no freedom of religion. It meant no repayment of billions of dollars in debt and a hindrance to international trade during the depression. It meant a possibility of a USSR/Japaness agreement that would allow Japan to focus resources in the southern zone facing western controlled oil fields and enabled an earlier attack on the southern zone.

"Your propaganda about FDR doesn't reveal truth."

Let's see if I can shove those words right back down your kisser.


Provide a couple of examples of things I've posted about FDR that aren't the truth.


Otherwise, you're self-identified as a lying sack of offal.


Balls in your court.

I just gave an example of how revisionist history gets distorted to misinform people with the omission of facts related to a specific topic. What is it that you think you reposted? Do you contest the facts I gave for FDR giving recognition to the USSR in 1933?