The Lies of Franklin Roosevelt

[gipper]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

This has to be joke. How could someone be so clueless?

Many American voters of that period, just like today, were clueless. They voted for FDR because the state run media failed to inform them or outright deceived them. Just as it is today. To claim FDR, great because he was elected four times, is dumb. He was on his death bed in 1944, yet got elected because the media failed to inform the American people. He was very ill in 1940 and again the media failed to report. He lied to the American people in 1940 claiming he would keep them out of war, while doing everything he possibly could to instigate a war. He was as big a liar as the guy in the WH now. Some things never change.

FDR was so arrogant, like Big Ears, that he ignored the precedent set by George Washington and all previous presidents, and chose to run for more than two terms.

Statist historians love FDR because he was a statist like themselves...just like today.

 

[regent]

During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president.

No other president ran four times in a row, fool. Prior to that scumbag FDR, all presidents had followed the custom set by Washington. Because of that scumbag FDR, we had to pass the 22nd Amendment.


And there are/were despots the world over who were elected a lot more than four times. That in no way indicates that they were/are good leaders or decent human beings.

Which presidents, had they ran for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably.
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed.
As for the depots, this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

 

[Unkotare]

During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president.

No other president ran four times in a row, fool. Prior to that scumbag FDR, all presidents had followed the custom set by Washington. Because of that scumbag FDR, we had to pass the 22nd Amendment.


And there are/were despots the world over who were elected a lot more than four times. That in no way indicates that they were/are good leaders or decent human beings.

Which presidents, had they ran [sic] for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term [sic]? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably [sic].
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. [sic] Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed [sic].
As for the depots [sic], this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

 

[regent]

No other president ran four times in a row, fool. Prior to that scumbag FDR, all presidents had followed the custom set by Washington. Because of that scumbag FDR, we had to pass the 22nd Amendment.


And there are/were despots the world over who were elected a lot more than four times. That in no way indicates that they were/are good leaders or decent human beings.

Which presidents, had they ran [sic] for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term [sic]? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably [sic].
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. [sic] Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed [sic].
As for the depots [sic], this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

 

[whitehall]

You have to consider the time in history and the information that Americans depended on. There was only radio and the newspapers. American philosopher Will Rogers said it best, "I only know what I read in the papers". The sad reality was that the only information Americans had was filtered through the pro FDR administration media. An administration can get away with any affront to the Constitution and the system of justice if the media tells the people it's O.K. and that's what they did with rare exceptions during the entire 3 1/2 terms. Americans didn't even know that the president was a virtual corpse when he ran for his 4th term because the media had been placed under the authority of the government during the war and they probably wouldn't have come out against the administration anyway.

 

[regent]

You have to consider the time in history and the information that Americans depended on. There was only radio and the newspapers. American philosopher Will Rogers said it best, "I only know what I read in the papers". The sad reality was that the only information Americans had was filtered through the pro FDR administration media. An administration can get away with any affront to the Constitution and the system of justice if the media tells the people it's O.K. and that's what they did with rare exceptions during the entire 3 1/2 terms. Americans didn't even know that the president was a virtual corpse when he ran for his 4th term because the media had been placed under the authority of the government during the war and they probably wouldn't have come out against the administration anyway.

Of the twenty characteristics historians grade presidents on, one is communication, and FDR was a master communicator. FDR's predecessor, Hoover, wanted questions from the press written down and submitted first and then Hoover took only the questions he wanted with no follow up. FDR required almost nothing from the press, he told them to ask away, and they did. There were many many anti FDR newspapers, all the Hearst papers and the Chicago Tribune hated FDR as did most publishers, but the reporters that was another story. I have a number of newspapers from that period and some were violently anti-FDR.
There is no Constitutional requirement concerning a president's health, that is up to the politicians. Republicans should learn to speak up.

 

[Cecilie1200]

These FDR threads are meant to demonize Roosevelt. The right is horrified that a President that not only believed, but proved beyond a doubt that hybred forms of socialism could be selectively applied and used in a capitalist economic system, and be viewed as one of our greatest President's. FDR believed in to big to fail. He knew the danger presented to the nation when industries and segments of the economy came under the control of small groups of individuals who could not be held accountable to the public for their greed and ability to stay within the law while they looted public holdings and wealth. More than a half century after this President died, hundreds of millions of American's have benifited from programs he instituted and projects he instigated. The right wing screams about socialism, but none of them turn down a social security check when they become eligible for it. They cry and whine about big government, but none of them complains about the roads and stuctures built by FDR in our National Parks that still are being used to this day. Nor do they complain about the Dam's he built and the system he created that brought electricity to areas and continue to do so. All these things are what todays right wing call socialism. Revisionist history is the weapon the right wing is dependent on. Revisionist history only works when the misinformation is not questioned and challanged.

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

And in the eyes of voters of this period, Obama is the Messiah. The fact that you can get retards in the moment to believe anything impresses no one but other retards.

 

[Cecilie1200]

During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president.

No other president ran four times in a row, fool. Prior to that scumbag FDR, all presidents had followed the custom set by Washington. Because of that scumbag FDR, we had to pass the 22nd Amendment.


And there are/were despots the world over who were elected a lot more than four times. That in no way indicates that they were/are good leaders or decent human beings.

Which presidents, had they ran for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably.
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed.
As for the depots, this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

In any case, the only President with so little respect for the nation - up until then - and enough self-absorption and narcissism to RUN for more than two terms was FDR.

Washington could have been President for life, had he wanted. As a man of integrity, he understood that the United States was - and should be - more important than just one man.

Write that down somewhere, shitforbrains.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Which presidents, had they ran [sic] for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term [sic]? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably [sic].
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. [sic] Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed [sic].
As for the depots [sic], this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

 

[regent]

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

The topic is FDR and if you cannot create a suitable argument in that area by all means try logic and English and even better throw in a few more slogans, platitudes and name calling. But for all that effort, FDR is still the topic and still the pick of historians for greatest president.
But I do look forward to your logic,logic that will destroy those 238 noted historians and presidential experts. I bet they are already quaking with fear.

 

[natstew]

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

This has to be joke. How could someone be so clueless?

Many American voters of that period, just like today, were clueless. They voted for FDR because the state run media failed to inform them or outright deceived them. Just as it is today. To claim FDR, great because he was elected four times, is dumb. He was on his death bed in 1944, yet got elected because the media failed to inform the American people. He was very ill in 1940 and again the media failed to report. He lied to the American people in 1940 claiming he would keep them out of war, while doing everything he possibly could to instigate a war. He was as big a liar as the guy in the WH now. Some things never change.

FDR was so arrogant, like Big Ears, that he ignored the precedent set by George Washington and all previous presidents, and chose to run for more than two terms.

Statist historians love FDR because he was a statist like themselves...just like today.

So, if FDR was great because he was elected four times, Stalin was the greatest because he was elected 20 times?

FDR purposely prolonged the Depression just so he could use it to control the people.
Just like Obama, he was an Evil genius, politically.

 

[regent]

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

This has to be joke. How could someone be so clueless?

Many American voters of that period, just like today, were clueless. They voted for FDR because the state run media failed to inform them or outright deceived them. Just as it is today. To claim FDR, great because he was elected four times, is dumb. He was on his death bed in 1944, yet got elected because the media failed to inform the American people. He was very ill in 1940 and again the media failed to report. He lied to the American people in 1940 claiming he would keep them out of war, while doing everything he possibly could to instigate a war. He was as big a liar as the guy in the WH now. Some things never change.

FDR was so arrogant, like Big Ears, that he ignored the precedent set by George Washington and all previous presidents, and chose to run for more than two terms.

Statist historians love FDR because he was a statist like themselves...just like today.

So, if FDR was great because he was elected four times, Stalin was the greatest because he was elected 20 times?

FDR purposely prolonged the Depression just so he could use it to control the people.
Just like Obama, he was an Evil genius, politically.

I thought most posters knew the difference between elections in the USSR and elections in America? Is that a failure of the schools to have taught that or did some people not undertand the whole concept of America?
In logic would that be called a false analogy?

 

[Cecilie1200]

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

The topic is FDR and if you cannot create a suitable argument in that area by all means try logic and English and even better throw in a few more slogans, platitudes and name calling. But for all that effort, FDR is still the topic and still the pick of historians for greatest president.
But I do look forward to your logic,logic that will destroy those 238 noted historians and presidential experts. I bet they are already quaking with fear.

Yes, the topic is FDR, and you are incapable of communicating on that topic with any sort of clarity or logic, and consider the idea that you SHOULD be able to do so ridiculous. So you shouldn't find it odd that other people find YOU ridiculous.

 

[Unkotare]

Which presidents, had they ran [sic] for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term [sic]? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably [sic].
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. [sic] Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed [sic].
As for the depots [sic], this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Did you think about that for even a second before posting it?

 

[Unkotare]

I have a number of newspapers from that period and some were violently anti-FDR...

Seems fair, considering that he was violently anti-America.

 

[Unkotare]

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

Unbelievable that even he would actually post such a thing. I didn't think they made dunce caps that huge.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

Unbelievable that even he would actually post such a thing. I didn't think they made dunce caps that huge.

I think I'm incapable of being surprised by anything leftists do any more.

 

[Camp]

The only thing your post proves is that you are terribly uninformed.

FDR has many detractors on both the right and left. The facts of his failed presidency are clearly visible to anyone who wishes to investigate it.

The mere fact that he prolonged the Great Depression for 10 years, aligned with a murderous dictator, surrounded himself with Stalinist spies, imprisoned Japanese Americans, and caused terrible hardships for millions of Americans with his stupid policies, should be enough to prove he was a terrible failure.

Maybe in your eyes a failure, but in the eyes of the voters of that period, a total success. During FDR's time the American people elected FDR four times in a row, a reward the people gave to no other president. Add to the people's electing FDR four times, the historians since 1948 have rated FDR as one of the three greatest American presidents and in the last rating, rated FDR as America's greatest president. Winning four elections and historians rating FDR as America's greatest president, is not proof nor even evidence of a failed presidency?

And in the eyes of voters of this period, Obama is the Messiah. The fact that you can get retards in the moment to believe anything impresses no one but other retards.

Obama is not viewed as the Messiah. His approval ratings are below 50%. The actual far left are almost always angry with him. The whole Messiah thing is a propaganda ploy by the right to convince low information supporters like yourself that they are intellectually above those who support Obama. Hence, people who disagree with your political values are "retards". In the meantime, if one goes back and reads your post on the subject of FDR they find absolutely no facts or even opinions in regards to the subject. Instead they find jiberish, name calling, silly insults, etc. In other words, nothing intellectual or academic. Think about this, you just called what American's have come to call "The Greatest Generation" a bunch of retards. The people who worked themselves out of the worlds greatest depression and went on to win the worlds greatest war in history were a bunch of retards according to you. Really, give it some thought. Who is the retard, or at least who is the one with a retarded thought process?

 

[Unkotare]

Well, that just says it all about leftists, doesn't it? "English and logic are only for specific discussions ABOUT English and logic. They have nothing to do with everyday communication about other topics."

Self-immolation, dude. Look into it.

Unbelievable that even he would actually post such a thing. I didn't think they made dunce caps that huge.

I think I'm incapable of being surprised by anything leftists do any more.

Desensitized by overexposure to lefty idiots here.

 

[bripat9643]

Which presidents, had they ran [sic] for a third term, been elected, and if elected for a third term, how about a fourth term [sic]? Could FDR have been elected for a fifth term, probably [sic].
The election of FDR to a third and then to fourth term, breaking the two term tradition indicates the American people wanted FDR for a third and fourth term.
The 22nd. [sic] Amendment was pushed by Republicans to avoid another FDR. Later with Ike, Republicans talked of repealing that amendment but even they would have been embarassed [sic].
As for the depots [sic], this was America and no one forced anyone to vote for FDR, voting for a president was and still is, the people's choice.
In any case the only president to be elected to a third and fourth term was FDR and thanks to the Republicans that may be a record for all time.

Once again you display an utter incompetence in logic and the English language.

If this were the English and Logic board I would be concerned, but what about history?

I'm entirely willing to believe that the history you learned is entirely devoid of logic.