The Miracle of Freedom.....

[NYcarbineer]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

lol, a grand total of 17 posts before we're back to Roosevelt and Stalin. Talk about obsessive compulsive one trick pony behaviour!

 

[Moonglow]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

lol, a grand total of 17 posts before we're back to Roosevelt and Stalin. Talk about obsessive compulsive one trick pony behaviour!

It's a diseased mind we are dealing with..

 

[PoliticalChic]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Which is difficult, since she ate the cat. Notice that it took her all of two posts to go off her own topic to start with the excruciatingly lame personal insults.

She is delusional enough to imagine herself as a dame of ancient England..

Please don't stop at just England.....

Queen of the World, perhaps?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The whole idea of "God-given" freedom is goofy. According to the standard biblical theology, "freedom" from the dictatorial Paradise is the result of Adam and Eve's original sin. Or if one is inclined to extra-biblical Christian beliefs, due to the rebellion of Satan among the Angels.

Unless of course one is a Deist...

Here is your abbreviated lesson on the Bible:

There are dolts who follow dictums of the French Revolution, replacing religion and morality with science and reason.
Such has proven to be far more than an unmitigated failure: it resulted in the millions upon millions slaughtered by communists, fascists, Nazis.....

Reason supports a lot of things, as for example, a very liberal position on abortion. If there is no God, "Love your neighbor as yourself" is just a good idea. That's why it is written, incidentally, in Leviticus, "Love your neighbor as yourself, I am God." I, God, tell you to be decent to other people.
Prager

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

The philosophy did not originate with the Magna Carta..The philosophy you are espousing came form the period of the republic of England, ran by Puritains..

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

This is not the only incident of govt. oppression..Every nation has had as least one instance of people dying for a new regime or nation building, to include this nation...

Really?

100,000 million slaughtered in just the last century by Leftists?

And you compare that to "people dying for a new regime or nation building, to include this nation..."

Dying is natural.
At issue is "killing," as your political cousins seem inclined to do.

 

[Moonglow]

Of which did nothing for the peasant class..

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

The philosophy did not originate with the Magna Carta..The philosophy you are espousing came form the period of the republic of England, ran by Puritains..

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

I tend to enjoy baroque art..

 

[Moonglow]

If not for farmers, farming, your azz would be hunting rats for dinner..

Well, then....how to explain the actions of your political progenitors....

Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

This is not the only incident of govt. oppression..Every nation has had as least one instance of people dying for a new regime or nation building, to include this nation...

Really?

100,000 million slaughtered in just the last century by Leftists?

And you compare that to "people dying for a new regime or nation building, to include this nation..."

Dying is natural.
At issue is "killing," as your political cousins seem inclined to do.

So which is more at issue with you? The road taken by previous tyrants or just tyrants in the last century that you obsess over?

 

[PoliticalChic]

And you, being a peasant....."a poor farmer of low social status..."

I recognize your personal hurt....but I can't identify with same.

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

The philosophy did not originate with the Magna Carta..The philosophy you are espousing came form the period of the republic of England, ran by Puritains..

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

I tend to enjoy baroque art..

And, I see, 'non sequiturs' as well.

 

[Bleipriester]

Apparently, God leaves it to the humans to secure their rights. Heaven helps those who help themselves, an old saying reads. Even God cannot help when sheep vote the slaughtering block. He does simply not intervene from above.

 

[Moonglow]

The peasants were not farming their lands, but those that had the right to the land by noble birth...peasants had no rights under the charter, all it was was a vehicle to establish peace between John and rebel barons...It had nothing to do with establishing rights of the individual...

You mean you failed to read beyond that point in the OP????

That A.D.D. thing, huh?

Here....try again:

That revolution reached full flower in Philadelphia in 1787, in a Constitution that began from two radical premises.
... our rights come not from kings or queens—or even from presidents— but from God.
As the Declaration of Independence put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf



You do recognize that none of the six savage doctrines meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

The philosophy did not originate with the Magna Carta..The philosophy you are espousing came form the period of the republic of England, ran by Puritains..

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

I tend to enjoy baroque art..

And, I see, 'non sequiturs' as well.

You started it, I merely fanned the flames..

 

[Moonglow]

Apparently, God leaves it to the humans to secure their rights. Heaven helps those who help themselves, an old saying reads. Even God cannot help when sheep vote the slaughtering block. He does simply not intervene from above.

Nope, with God all things are possible, but don't ask for any help...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently, God leaves it to the humans to secure their rights. Heaven helps those who help themselves, an old saying reads. Even God cannot help when sheep vote the slaughtering block. He does simply not intervene from above.

Free will is an essential characteristic of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently, God leaves it to the humans to secure their rights. Heaven helps those who help themselves, an old saying reads. Even God cannot help when sheep vote the slaughtering block. He does simply not intervene from above.

Nope, with God all things are possible, but don't ask for any help...

As a child, I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

 

[Moonglow]

Apparently, God leaves it to the humans to secure their rights. Heaven helps those who help themselves, an old saying reads. Even God cannot help when sheep vote the slaughtering block. He does simply not intervene from above.

Nope, with God all things are possible, but don't ask for any help...

As a child, I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.

You do know that God values someone that gets things done, that whey he can concentrate on teenage girls to impregnate..

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. Not counting the pseudo-religious political movement called Islam, which translates to 'submission,' there are six savage doctrines that fail to meet the requirements of the American paradigm:

Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.


These six offer this view of governance:
Collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.....'




4. Adherents to the above six cannot, truly, be Americans.

"....in the Constitution, America’s Founders inverted the understanding of sovereignty. Power comes not from the top down, but up, from “We the People,” and governing authority for those in political office is limited to set periods subject to elections.


As James Madison explained in Federalist 51: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary . . . . In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”


Thomas Jefferson said the “chains of the Constitution” should bind the mischief of government. Only when government is limited are rights protected, the rule of law honored, and freedom allowed to flourish." https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf


None of these six see the Constitution as a bar to their uncontrolled actions:
Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism.

Hence, if one subscribes to any of the six, there are no unalienable rights.

Including one's life.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Nazism. offer this view of governance:
Collectivization, unquestioning lock-step adherence to government policies, over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control ....'



The basic requirement to be an American is to subscribe to this view:
Individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Endorsing this strategy has proven singularly successful.




"...the American free market system is the greatest engine for prosperity and opportunity that the world has ever seen. Freedom works. No other nation on Earth has allowed so many millions to come with nothing and achieve so much. In the centuries before the American Revolution, the average human lived on between one and three dollars a day, no matter whether one lived in Europe, Asia, Africa, or North or South America. But from that point on—from the beginning of the American experiment—for the first time in human history, per capita income in a few countries began to grow rapidly, and nowhere more so than in the United States.


Over the last two centuries, U.S. growth rates have far outpaced growth rates throughout the world, producing per capita incomes about six times greater than the world average and 50 percent higher than those in Europe. .... American per capita income was already the highest in the world in the 1830s. This is a result of America’s economic freedom,...." https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2013_05_Imprimis.pdf





Compare this to the human slaughter, and economic failure, that results from the Left's totalitarian doctrines.

 

[Steven_R]

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

Except for slaves, Indians, women, indentured servants, or anyone else that isn't a WASP.

Great words, but the FF fell a little short on the execution of those ideals.

 

[Steven_R]

You started it, I merely fanned the flames..

 

[PoliticalChic]

I glean from your post that you, a Leftist, are not espousing , “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”


See....confession is good for the soul.

Except for slaves, Indians, women, indentured servants, or anyone else that isn't a WASP.

Great words, but the FF fell a little short on the execution of those ideals.

Which of the Founders favored.....stood up for slavery?

That's right.....none.