'The Morgenthau Plan' As Death Sentence....

[PoliticalChic]

Stalin's policy was simple: the result of the war had to leave Germany a smoldering wreckage

Damn...works for me

Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?

...did you note that there was not a single thing in the OP that you were able to deny?



Or....is that, actually, what puts the burr under your saddle?


Is that the reason you made up this lie, that you can't relate to any quote of mine?
"Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?"


I'd say that you just proved that everything I said is true.

Frau Braun

Why do you want the lines of occupation to be settled before the Death Camps could be liberated?

Did you want the Nazis to finish the job?

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What side did Germany support in the Spanish civil ear, 1936-9?

Are you admitting that you fibbed in claiming....as all Marxist do.....that Hitler was rightwing?

Do you now acknowledge that Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.....and Roosevelt....are all Leftists?


C'mon....confession is good for the soul.

 

[Moonglow]

Why would a leftist govt. support a rightist revolution leader?

Why would the religion of Germany allowed to be status quo if Hitler be a leftist?

Same with Mussolini...

But in your dire attempts at confusion you leave out how almost all of Europe and Asia was headed by dictatorships because of a lack of parliamentary history in the regions...
Portugal had a right winged dictator, as did Spain, Italy, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, did I miss any...Yet these nations were aligned or allied with Germany or Italy....
Russia,,,was not....They had Czechoslovakia...and you saw what Hitler did to them....Yes, guilty by association, a ploy you often use and are using it in your hypothetical thread premise, is exactly what you do, even though you try to deny it....I would suggest counseling for your current mental state...or I could give you an evaluation based on what you have posted for two years...It would most likely be Obsessive Roosevelt Disorder disease coupled with a narcissistic shit head complex

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why would a leftist govt. support a rightist revolution leader?

Why would the religion of Germany allowed to be status quo if Hitler be a leftist?

Same with Mussolini...

But in your dire attempts at confusion you leave out how almost all of Europe and Asia was headed by dictatorships because of a lack of parliamentary history in the regions...
Portugal had a right winged dictator, as did Spain, Italy, Romania, Hungary, Austria, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, did I miss any...Yet these nations were aligned or allied with Germany or Italy....
Russia,,,was not....They had Czechoslovakia...and you saw what Hitler did to them....Yes, guilty by association, a ploy you often use and are using it in your hypothetical thread premise, is exactly what you do, even though you try to deny it....I would suggest counseling for your current mental state...or I could give you an evaluation based on what you have posted for two years...It would most likely be Obsessive Roosevelt Disorder disease coupled with a narcissistic shit head complex

Are you still claiming that Mussolini and Hitler were rightwing???

In the face of scholarship and education????

Gads....that indoctrination is certainly indelible in the less intelligent.


Here's more that will stick in your craw:

One of those interesting facts that helps verify that Hitler was as much a Leftist as Stalin is that Hitler made MayDay his Nazi holiday, too.

The Nazis sought to gain support of workers by declaring May Day, a day celebrated by organized labour, to be a paid holiday and held celebrations on 1 May 1933 to honour German workers Life and Death in the Third ReichFirst Edition Edition
byPeter Fritzsche p. 45


The regime also insisted through propaganda that all Germans take part in the May Day celebrations in the hope that this would help break down class hostility between workers and burghers.[13]Songs in praise of labour and workers were played by state radio throughout May Day as well as an airshow in Berlin and fireworks.[13]Hitler spoke of workers as patriots who had built Germany's industrial strength and had honourably served in the war and claimed that they had been oppressed undereconomic liberalism.[14]Berliner Morgenpostthat had been strongly associated with the political left in the past praised the regime's May Day celebrations.[14]
Volksgemeinschaft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Here's Stalin's version....





And, Stalin helped Mussolini set up his May Day celebration...

'The youngest prime minister in Italian history,....Mussolini was showered with accolades from sundry quarters.... Stalin supplied Mussolini with the plans of the May Day parades in Red Square,to help him polish up his Fascist pageants....He conquered Ethiopia, madea Pact of Steel with Germany, introduced anti-Jewish measures in 1938,came into the war as Hitler's very junior partner,..." The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele



Socialist, fascists, Nazis, communists......Leftist all.
As are Progressives and Modern Liberals.



Ready to admit that I'm never wrong??????

 

[rightwinger]

Stalin's policy was simple: the result of the war had to leave Germany a smoldering wreckage

Damn...works for me

Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?

...did you note that there was not a single thing in the OP that you were able to deny?



Or....is that, actually, what puts the burr under your saddle?


Is that the reason you made up this lie, that you can't relate to any quote of mine?
"Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?"


I'd say that you just proved that everything I said is true.

Frau Braun

Why do you want the lines of occupation to be settled before the Death Camps could be liberated?

Did you want the Nazis to finish the job?

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

Frau Braun

You are using the Alinsky tactic of avoiding a direct question and diverting the subject

Per your own OP (which is the subject of the thread) you oppose FDR for supporting the policy of leaving Nazi Germany a total wreckage

How do you expect the Nazi Death Camps to be liberated without the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany?

Do you care?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here, more that you Roosevelt fans will not be able to deny.


6. The chain of evidence: from Stalin, to Harry Hopkins, to Franklin Roosevelt:

" Quite notably, … the very first use of the phrase “unconditional surrender” at Casablanca was by Harry Hopkins [Stalin's highest placed spy] himself. In a January 23, 1943, meeting, one day ahead of the president’s sensational announcement, Hopkins told the grand vizier of Morocco, “The war will be pursued until Germany, Italy, and Japan agree to unconditional surrender.” …

… nconditional surrender may well be the policy that ensured Soviet dominion over half of Europe.

“Unconditional surrender” would set the strategy of “total war” (Allied) as the only appropriate response to “total guilt” (German). Such a strategy presumed, indeed, drew inspiration from, a belief in the unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler, which the very existence of a significant anti-Nazi German resistance movement belied.

... the significant anti-Nazi German resistance movement had to be denied, shut out [according to Stalin]. Otherwise, “total war,” and the total destruction it required, wasn’t justified. Otherwise, I say, Stalin wouldn’t win." The World Turned Upside Down




7. “We annulled the prospect of winning a real victory by the Casablanca call for unconditional surrender,” .... “Our demand for unconditional surrender naturally increased the enemy’s will to resist and forced even Hitler’s worst enemies to continue fighting to save their country.” …

Wedemeyer elaborated, “We failed to realize that unconditional surrender and the annihilation of German power would result in a tremendous vacuum in Central Europe into which the Communist power and ideas would flow.” "Wedemeyer Reports!: An objective, dispassionate examination of World War II, postwar policies, and Grand Strategy," by General A. C. Wedemeyer, p. 95


How many US troops lost their lives because Stalin wouldn't allow FDR to accept Germany's surrender?

I know how many.
Do you?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Starkeys (Jake, RW, Moonglow, etc.) are simply powerless against PC

 

[PoliticalChic]

...did you note that there was not a single thing in the OP that you were able to deny?



Or....is that, actually, what puts the burr under your saddle?


Is that the reason you made up this lie, that you can't relate to any quote of mine?
"Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?"


I'd say that you just proved that everything I said is true.

Frau Braun

Why do you want the lines of occupation to be settled before the Death Camps could be liberated?

Did you want the Nazis to finish the job?

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

Frau Braun

You are using the Alinsky tactic of avoiding a direct question and diverting the subject

Per your own OP (which is the subject of the thread) you oppose FDR for supporting the policy of leaving Nazi Germany a total wreckage

How do you expect the Nazi Death Camps to be liberated without the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany?

Do you care?

You have been proven a lying wretch too many times to count....
...why do you find it necessary to prove yourself a moron, as well???


Why?

Self-sacrifice in the service of Leftism???



If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????


And, of course....who better to deal with concentration camps than a US President who had actually built concentration camps for his own citizens?



Feel like a buffoon?

I mean....even before I made you look like one.

 

[rightwinger]

What Political Chic thinks she is.....

What Political Chic actually is...

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Starkeys (Jake, RW, Moonglow, etc.) are simply powerless against PC

You are colossally kind.

I can't imagine why these dolts even try to dispute what is documented, sourced and comes directly from the words of experts.

An element of masochism, it seems.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What Political Chic thinks she is.....

What Political Chic actually is...

"What Political Chic actually is..."



Brilliant?

Exceptionally well educated?

Never wrong?

Don't you want to comment on my amazing grasp of the subject?

My understated wit?

My cygnian grace?

Please don't mention my spectacular good looks (just kidding- go ahead and mention them.)

 

[rightwinger]

Frau Braun

Why do you want the lines of occupation to be settled before the Death Camps could be liberated?

Did you want the Nazis to finish the job?

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

Frau Braun

You are using the Alinsky tactic of avoiding a direct question and diverting the subject

Per your own OP (which is the subject of the thread) you oppose FDR for supporting the policy of leaving Nazi Germany a total wreckage

How do you expect the Nazi Death Camps to be liberated without the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany?

Do you care?

You have been proven a lying wretch too many times to count....
...why do you find it necessary to prove yourself a moron, as well???


Why?

Self-sacrifice in the service of Leftism???



If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????


And, of course....who better to deal with concentration camps than a US President who had actually built concentration camps for his own citizens?



Feel like a buffoon?

I mean....even before I made you look like one.

Frau Braun

If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????

Why would Germany surrender without being occupied by the allies if that surrender would have revealed the most horrific war crimes in history?

Why would Germany surrender while they still occupied half of Russia and most of Europe?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

Frau Braun

You are using the Alinsky tactic of avoiding a direct question and diverting the subject

Per your own OP (which is the subject of the thread) you oppose FDR for supporting the policy of leaving Nazi Germany a total wreckage

How do you expect the Nazi Death Camps to be liberated without the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany?

Do you care?

You have been proven a lying wretch too many times to count....
...why do you find it necessary to prove yourself a moron, as well???


Why?

Self-sacrifice in the service of Leftism???



If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????


And, of course....who better to deal with concentration camps than a US President who had actually built concentration camps for his own citizens?



Feel like a buffoon?

I mean....even before I made you look like one.

Frau Braun

If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????

Why would Germany surrender without being occupied by the allies if that surrender would have revealed the most horrific war crimes in history?

Why would Germany surrender while they still occupied half of Russia and most of Europe?

So....you're trying to change the subject?

That means I win again?



Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.



Please don't hesitate to try again....
..and I'll eviscerate you once more.

Frau Braun

You somehow neglected to explain how nazi death camps would have been liberated without the full anihilation of nazi Germany

Every time you attempt that slander, I smile.
By using the oft-time Alinsky methodology, you inadvertently prove the truth of my posts.


While I never had any affinity for any totalitarians, certainly neither Hitler nor Stalin....

...your inamorata, Franklin Roosevelt had sterling relations with both.

Now....let's prove this mathematically...the transitive property.

Roosevelt embraced Stalin and Hitler
You embrace Roosevelt....
Therefore, you embrace Stalin and Hitler.

If a = b and b = c, then a = c. One of the equivalence properties of equality.



No wonder you attempt to cloud the facts that I provide, huh?

Frau Braun

You are using the Alinsky tactic of avoiding a direct question and diverting the subject

Per your own OP (which is the subject of the thread) you oppose FDR for supporting the policy of leaving Nazi Germany a total wreckage

How do you expect the Nazi Death Camps to be liberated without the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany?

Do you care?

You have been proven a lying wretch too many times to count....
...why do you find it necessary to prove yourself a moron, as well???


Why?

Self-sacrifice in the service of Leftism???



If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????


And, of course....who better to deal with concentration camps than a US President who had actually built concentration camps for his own citizens?



Feel like a buffoon?

I mean....even before I made you look like one.

Frau Braun

If Germany were occupied by the Allies....as it would have been under surrender.....
...by what stretch of gullibility would the concentration camps have been retained by imprisoned Nazis????????

Why would Germany surrender without being occupied by the allies if that surrender would have revealed the most horrific war crimes in history?

Why would Germany surrender while they still occupied half of Russia and most of Europe?

"Why would Germany surrender without being occupied by the allies if that surrender would have revealed the most horrific war crimes in history?"

Gee......that sounds like the sort of lie that a Marxist would insist on.

Oh.....it is the lie that a Marxist insists on!!!



There is no metric by which Roosevelt's BFF was not far more guilty than Hitler.

Yet, Roosevelt, and, by extension....you.....rush to embrace the homicidal maniac.


1. "The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2. World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat. More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.



You, being so ignorant, and so indoctrinated, make this sooooo easy for me.

Fish in a barrel.

 

[Camp]

5. The plan for 'unconditional surrender' began in the Kremlin, was foisted on to the Roosevelt administration via Stalin's spies working for Roosevelt.




Harry Hopkins, Stalin's spy who actually lived in the White House gave a speech on June 22, 1942, at the Russia Aid Rally, Madison Square Garden, where he said "And his cities, one by one, will be destroyed by Allied air forces." Ottawa Citizen - Google News Archive Search
.

Harry Hopkins was not a spy. The accusation was based on an assumption that Hopkins was "Source 19". When the secret Vasilievs Notebooks were smuggled out of Russia they confirmed that "Source 19" was not Hopkins, but rather Laurence Duggan.

Front Page is a conservative publication and John Earl Haynes is a respected historical scholar considered by Historians to be a foremost expert on this area of history.

frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. The plan for 'unconditional surrender' began in the Kremlin, was foisted on to the Roosevelt administration via Stalin's spies working for Roosevelt.




Harry Hopkins, Stalin's spy who actually lived in the White House gave a speech on June 22, 1942, at the Russia Aid Rally, Madison Square Garden, where he said "And his cities, one by one, will be destroyed by Allied air forces." Ottawa Citizen - Google News Archive Search
.

Harry Hopkins was not a spy. The accusation was based on an assumption that Hopkins was "Source 19". When the secret Vasilievs Notebooks were smuggled out of Russia they confirmed that "Source 19" was not Hopkins, but rather Laurence Duggan.

Front Page is a conservative publication and John Earl Haynes is a respected historical scholar considered by Historians to be a foremost expert on this area of history.

frontpagemag.com/fpm/200900/was-harry-hopkins-soviet-spy-john-earl-haynes

Spoken like a true communist dupe!

1. The leading evidence that Hopkins was a spy for Joseph Stalin is presented by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel in their 2000 book, The Venona Secrets: Exposing Soviet Espionage and America's Traitor. I have summarized their argument elsewhere as follows:

a. Their evidence is, first, that Soviet KGB defector, Oleg Gordievsky, said that Hopkins was in regular communication with top Soviet covert operative, Iskhak Akhmerov, in New York City. This was more than just a "back channel" for communication between Roosevelt and Stalin because Hopkins had existing back channels at the Soviet embassy that he used, and Akhmerov's identity as an operative was not supposed to be known to the U.S. government.

b.Second, the Venona project decrypts of Soviet communications with its spies, which came to light only in the 1990s, reveal a report on a Washington discussion between Roosevelt and Winston Churchill by an "agent 19." Only Harry Hopkins among suspected Soviet agents would have been privy to that conversation.

c. Third, former Communist Whittaker Chambers testified to Congress in 1948 about the formation of Communist "study groups" within the U.S. government from which espionage agents were recruited. One of those groups, led by Lee Pressman, was established within the Department of Agriculture in late 1933, and Hopkins was a member of that group.

d. Fourth, his policies were strongly pro-Soviet, particularly in his work as head of the Lend-Lease program. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm



2. The degree to which he [Harry Hopkins] far exceeded any strategic necessity in aiding the Soviet Union in that latter capacity [the Lend-Lease program] is well described in the 1952 book by Major George Racey Jordan entitled From Major Jordan’s Diaries. A summary, with key excerpts, are in the previously referenced article, “How We Gave the Russians the Bomb.”



3. Now, corroborating and entirely independent evidence of Hopkins’ likely treason has come to light in the pages of an obscure book by Emanuel M. Josephson. The title is The Strange Death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and while it does have a very intriguing chapter on FDR’s demise, the main subject of the book is better captured by the subtitle, A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty, America’s Royal Family. The following passage is on pp. 145-146:

a. In later years, Murray Garsson, the munitions manufacturer who was convicted for bribery and irregularities in connection with war contracts, reported that Harry Hopkins had been very helpful to him in securing and handling those contracts. In return for his help, Hopkins had demanded and received liberal payment for his influence. Garsson regularly paid Hopkins’s numerous losses on bets on the horse races. But one form of payment demanded by Hopkins stood out as most odd, Garsson said.

b. Garsson maintained quarters at the Wardman Park Hotel in Washington in connection with his war contracts. But he spent his weekends in New York with his family. Harry Hopkins demanded of Garsson that he permit him and his friends to use the quarters during the weekends, and that he defray the cost of refreshments and entertainment. Garsson permitted Hopkins and his guests to charge their expenses to his account.

c. In looking over his bills, Garsson noted the names of the persons who had signed the tabs charged to him. Among Harry Hopkins’s associates who had signed tabs were Carl Aldo Marzani and the whole array of the members of what was later proved to be the Hal Ware (Communist) cell that operated in the Government. Garsson stated that he did not become aware of the fact that he was acting as involuntary host to Hopkins’s Communist cell until after Marzani had been convicted and sent to jail for perjury in swearing in his State Department application that he was not, and never had been, a member of the Communist Party.



4. Josephson, who was hardly an admirer of Roosevelt and his New Deal, lacks references for his allegations, but many factors militate in favor of their basic accuracy. The strongest of these is that they dovetail perfectly with the other Soviet-agent charges against Hopkins and, coming much earlier, they could not have been influenced by them. In combination, the charges are much stronger than any one of them is alone. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm


Hopkins, Stalin's most powerful agent....

...and you, a sad, decrepit fool.

 

[rightwinger]

Why would Germany surrender without being occupied by the allies if that surrender would have revealed the most horrific war crimes in history?"

Gee......that sounds like the sort of lie that a Marxist would insist on.

Oh.....it is the lie that a Marxist insists on!!!



There is no metric by which Roosevelt's BFF was not far more guilty than Hitler.

Yet, Roosevelt, and, by extension....you.....rush to embrace the homicidal maniac.



Frau Braun....that does not even remotely approximate an answer

Why would a country that controls half of Russia and almost all of Europe surrender and reveal their war crimes ?

 

[Moonglow]

Same spam as last time....Damn girl, you stuck going up hill in too high gear..

Translation:
The meaning and import of the 'Morgenthau Plan' is one more episode about which you are clueless.

Have no fear....I will provide, a usual, an undeniable, irrefutable, thread which explains the Morgenthau Plan, and why is a hermeneutical key to the relationship of Hitler, Stalin, and Roosevelt.



You should take notes.

Why do you always leave out the fact that Britain and USSR was already allied and USSR was receiving supplies from Great Britain and Churchill?

 

[Camp]

5. The plan for 'unconditional surrender' began in the Kremlin, was foisted on to the Roosevelt administration via Stalin's spies working for Roosevelt.




Harry Hopkins, Stalin's spy who actually lived in the White House gave a speech on June 22, 1942, at the Russia Aid Rally, Madison Square Garden, where he said "And his cities, one by one, will be destroyed by Allied air forces." Ottawa Citizen - Google News Archive Search
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Harry Hopkins was not a spy. The accusation was based on an assumption that Hopkins was "Source 19". When the secret Vasilievs Notebooks were smuggled out of Russia they confirmed that "Source 19" was not Hopkins, but rather Laurence Duggan.

Front Page is a conservative publication and John Earl Haynes is a respected historical scholar considered by Historians to be a foremost expert on this area of history.

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Spoken like a true communist dupe!

1. The leading evidence that Hopkins was a spy for Joseph Stalin is presented by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel in their 2000 book, The Venona Secrets: Exposing Soviet Espionage and America's Traitor. I have summarized their argument elsewhere as follows:

a. Their evidence is, first, that Soviet KGB defector, Oleg Gordievsky, said that Hopkins was in regular communication with top Soviet covert operative, Iskhak Akhmerov, in New York City. This was more than just a "back channel" for communication between Roosevelt and Stalin because Hopkins had existing back channels at the Soviet embassy that he used, and Akhmerov's identity as an operative was not supposed to be known to the U.S. government.

b.Second, the Venona project decrypts of Soviet communications with its spies, which came to light only in the 1990s, reveal a report on a Washington discussion between Roosevelt and Winston Churchill by an "agent 19." Only Harry Hopkins among suspected Soviet agents would have been privy to that conversation.

c. Third, former Communist Whittaker Chambers testified to Congress in 1948 about the formation of Communist "study groups" within the U.S. government from which espionage agents were recruited. One of those groups, led by Lee Pressman, was established within the Department of Agriculture in late 1933, and Hopkins was a member of that group.

d. Fourth, his policies were strongly pro-Soviet, particularly in his work as head of the Lend-Lease program. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm



2. The degree to which he [Harry Hopkins] far exceeded any strategic necessity in aiding the Soviet Union in that latter capacity [the Lend-Lease program] is well described in the 1952 book by Major George Racey Jordan entitled From Major Jordan’s Diaries. A summary, with key excerpts, are in the previously referenced article, “How We Gave the Russians the Bomb.”



3. Now, corroborating and entirely independent evidence of Hopkins’ likely treason has come to light in the pages of an obscure book by Emanuel M. Josephson. The title is The Strange Death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and while it does have a very intriguing chapter on FDR’s demise, the main subject of the book is better captured by the subtitle, A History of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty, America’s Royal Family. The following passage is on pp. 145-146:

a. In later years, Murray Garsson, the munitions manufacturer who was convicted for bribery and irregularities in connection with war contracts, reported that Harry Hopkins had been very helpful to him in securing and handling those contracts. In return for his help, Hopkins had demanded and received liberal payment for his influence. Garsson regularly paid Hopkins’s numerous losses on bets on the horse races. But one form of payment demanded by Hopkins stood out as most odd, Garsson said.

b. Garsson maintained quarters at the Wardman Park Hotel in Washington in connection with his war contracts. But he spent his weekends in New York with his family. Harry Hopkins demanded of Garsson that he permit him and his friends to use the quarters during the weekends, and that he defray the cost of refreshments and entertainment. Garsson permitted Hopkins and his guests to charge their expenses to his account.

c. In looking over his bills, Garsson noted the names of the persons who had signed the tabs charged to him. Among Harry Hopkins’s associates who had signed tabs were Carl Aldo Marzani and the whole array of the members of what was later proved to be the Hal Ware (Communist) cell that operated in the Government. Garsson stated that he did not become aware of the fact that he was acting as involuntary host to Hopkins’s Communist cell until after Marzani had been convicted and sent to jail for perjury in swearing in his State Department application that he was not, and never had been, a member of the Communist Party.



4. Josephson, who was hardly an admirer of Roosevelt and his New Deal, lacks references for his allegations, but many factors militate in favor of their basic accuracy. The strongest of these is that they dovetail perfectly with the other Soviet-agent charges against Hopkins and, coming much earlier, they could not have been influenced by them. In combination, the charges are much stronger than any one of them is alone. http://www.dcdave.com/article5/110211.htm


Hopkins, Stalin's most powerful agent....

...and you, a sad, decrepit fool.

The linked Front Page article by Haynes addresses everything in your link. You are simply ignoring the most recent revelations that came out with the secret Vassilieves Notebooks. All of your links are based on the obsolete pre-Vasilievs Notebooks that were based on the wrong assumption that Hopkins was Source 19.

 

[Mr Natural]

You have to admire the time and effort she puts into this drivel on a daily basis.

I hope she's at least getting paid for it.