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Yeah ending non-stop wars and providing HC for all Americans as is done in all other western nations, is just so passé.
Thanks Hillary.
Not where most Americans are at right now, sorry. Most Americans think there are too many people on welfare.
They also don't really trust the government to run their health care if they have private insurance. Frankly, I disagree, but I understand the sentitment.
What Biden is proposing is more practical. Fix Obamacare, let people who are happy with their insurance keep their insurance.
correct...Good PointTrue ignorance is common in the land of the (not) free. The billionaire’s media sees to that. This is yet another perfect example. This myth is believed by many on the right and left. The 1% who run everything don’t much like Bernie, so their media makes sure to dupe millions into thinking as they do.
MARCH 5, 2020
The Myth of Sanders’ “Socialism”
by M. G. PIETY
Fox News has an all-out frontal assault on Bernie Sanders’ purported “socialism.” It is a sad statement on the level of ignorance in this country that anyone could take seriously the charge that Sanders is a socialist. What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives. The “socialism” Fox is decrying is the old-fashioned Stalinist-Maoist kind where all important industries are nationalized, most of the private property of the wealthy is seized by the state, and there are no such things as individual rights and freedoms because the very idea of “individuals” is considered capitalist propaganda.
The Myth of Sanders' "Socialism" - CounterPunch.org
Someone please advise the OP of the elephant in the room, which is Sanders describes himself as a socialist.
And all good governments are always socialist.
Anything a good government does is not for the profit motive, like roads, post office, etc., so then is always socialist.
Socialism is always good.
It is only the profit motive of capitalism where greed causes abuses, like slavery, feudalism, etc.
Hilarious..........................
Slade was just telling us how it's CONSERVATIVES who don't know the meaning of socialism.
YES! It is conservatives who do not at all know the meaning of socialism.
Whenever something is not done for a profit motive, it is socialism.
That is anything joint, collective, communal, or cooperative.
For example, when the workers start or buy their own company.
That is socialism.
In fact, any regulation of private enterprise, like laws against child labor, or trust busting, that is socialism.
Most people that discuss ism's have no idea what they mean. The welfare state, socialism, and communism are not the same although conservatives use them rather interchangeably.
I wonder why all of Western Europe isn’t controlled by dictators. Strange no?Good PointHilarious..........................
Slade was just telling us how it's CONSERVATIVES who don't know the meaning of socialism.
YES! It is conservatives who do not at all know the meaning of socialism.
Whenever something is not done for a profit motive, it is socialism.
That is anything joint, collective, communal, or cooperative.
For example, when the workers start or buy their own company.
That is socialism.
In fact, any regulation of private enterprise, like laws against child labor, or trust busting, that is socialism.
Most people that discuss ism's have no idea what they mean. The welfare state, socialism, and communism are not the same although conservatives use them rather interchangeably.
Socialism is the exact opposite of a dictatorship.
A dictatorship is when a wealthy elite prevent the majority from having any say, in order to get more profits out of them.
Socialism is when the majority get more say in how shared revenue is to be invested for the good of all.
Which mean less profits for the wealthy elite.
They are all stepping stones along the path to dictatorship.
You and I have no idea how things are run from the top. He said stepping stones, what does that mean to you?
2017 population -European Union 2017 population approx. 500 million.
In 2017, there were 112.8 million people in the EU-28 who lived in households at risk of poverty or social exclusion (AROPE), equivalent to 22.4 % of the entire populatio
TRUMP"S USA
- The official poverty rate in 2018 was 11.8 percent, down 0.5 percentage points from 12.3 percent in 2017. This is the fourth consecutive annual decline in poverty. Since 2014, the poverty rate has fallen 3.0 percentage points, from 14.8 percent to 11.8 percent.
- In 2018, for the first time in 11 years, the official poverty rate was significantly lower than 2007, the year before the most recent recession.
Well all the Albanians are in America fleeing socialism lol how come they won’t go back if it works?LOL. You claim socialism leads to dictatorship. Well..,where are the dictatorships in Western Europe? They have had socialism as you define it, for decades and no dictatorships.I wonder why all of Western Europe isn’t controlled by dictators. Strange no?Good Point
Most people that discuss ism's have no idea what they mean. The welfare state, socialism, and communism are not the same although conservatives use them rather interchangeably.
They are all stepping stones along the path to dictatorship.
Because they were killed.
Why?I wonder why all of Western Europe isn’t controlled by dictators. Strange no?
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?LOL. You claim socialism leads to dictatorship. Well..,where are the dictatorships in Western Europe? They have had socialism as you define it, for decades and no dictatorships.I wonder why all of Western Europe isn’t controlled by dictators. Strange no?They are all stepping stones along the path to dictatorship.
Because they were killed.
No, they haven't. In fact the vast majority of them have retreated from socialism because they figured out it doesn't work, and is stupid.
So, can we all agree?
Bernie is a slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed cocksucker who just signed his own death warrant?
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?LOL. You claim socialism leads to dictatorship. Well..,where are the dictatorships in Western Europe? They have had socialism as you define it, for decades and no dictatorships.I wonder why all of Western Europe isn’t controlled by dictators. Strange no?
Because they were killed.
No, they haven't. In fact the vast majority of them have retreated from socialism because they figured out it doesn't work, and is stupid.
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?LOL. You claim socialism leads to dictatorship. Well..,where are the dictatorships in Western Europe? They have had socialism as you define it, for decades and no dictatorships.Because they were killed.
No, they haven't. In fact the vast majority of them have retreated from socialism because they figured out it doesn't work, and is stupid.
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
Wrong.
The rest of the world spends less than half what we do on health care, per person, and they are very happy with socialism.
No one is retreating from socialism, because capitalist health care cost way more and is worse quality.
So, can we all agree?
Bernie is a slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed cocksucker who just signed his own death warrant?
No, anyone who is not a socialist is in favor of a capitalist dictatorship and feudalism.
If you want public schools, roads without tolls, free fire fighting, public police, etc., then you are a socialist.
Everyone should be a socialist.
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?LOL. You claim socialism leads to dictatorship. Well..,where are the dictatorships in Western Europe? They have had socialism as you define it, for decades and no dictatorships.
No, they haven't. In fact the vast majority of them have retreated from socialism because they figured out it doesn't work, and is stupid.
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
Wrong.
The rest of the world spends less than half what we do on health care, per person, and they are very happy with socialism.
No one is retreating from socialism, because capitalist health care cost way more and is worse quality.
Yeah, which is why it sucks. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to wait 60 hours for an ambulance as happens not infrequently with Englands NHS.
Your problem is you only look at sources that fit your bias.
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?No, they haven't. In fact the vast majority of them have retreated from socialism because they figured out it doesn't work, and is stupid.
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
Wrong.
The rest of the world spends less than half what we do on health care, per person, and they are very happy with socialism.
No one is retreating from socialism, because capitalist health care cost way more and is worse quality.
Yeah, which is why it sucks. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to wait 60 hours for an ambulance as happens not infrequently with Englands NHS.
Your problem is you only look at sources that fit your bias.
No, I have just talked to people who actually lived there.
They all say they get faster and better service there than here.
They will even fly back there for any medical procedure, rather than deal with the terrible health care here, even though they get full insurance from their employer here.
That is true with Canada as well.
First of all, Nazi means National Socialist, which is fascism.
LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
Wrong.
The rest of the world spends less than half what we do on health care, per person, and they are very happy with socialism.
No one is retreating from socialism, because capitalist health care cost way more and is worse quality.
Yeah, which is why it sucks. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to wait 60 hours for an ambulance as happens not infrequently with Englands NHS.
Your problem is you only look at sources that fit your bias.
No, I have just talked to people who actually lived there.
They all say they get faster and better service there than here.
They will even fly back there for any medical procedure, rather than deal with the terrible health care here, even though they get full insurance from their employer here.
That is true with Canada as well.
Yeah, I have lived there too. Canadian medical care is so great we have a wing of Renown hospital here in Reno known as the Canada wing.
Hell, their politicians come HERE for their medical procedures.
Try reading a out the failure of public health instead of listening to "people".
And fascism is a dictatorship by a coalition of the military, industrialists, and aristocracy.
So obviously Castro could not at all be a fascist Nazi.
So, can we all agree?
Bernie is a slimy little communist shit twinkle-toed cocksucker who just signed his own death warrant?
No, anyone who is not a socialist is in favor of a capitalist dictatorship and feudalism.
If you want public schools, roads without tolls, free fire fighting, public police, etc., then you are a socialist.
Everyone should be a socialist.
That is a bullshit lie told by Marxists to sell idiots on the idea of socialism being normal and practical. Because if we're already doing it, what's a little government owning/controlling the means of production, right?
HORSESHIT!!!
We have police and fire because it is impractical to have people competing to stop crime and put out fires. It is impractical to have 4-5 roads going to the same place, making poor use of land.
Turn your brain back on!
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The US government has supported fascist dictators for decades. Still does. So, what you bitching about?And fascism is a dictatorship by a coalition of the military, industrialists, and aristocracy.
So obviously Castro could not at all be a fascist Nazi.
???He was the perfect fascist!! Didn't he control military industry and aristocracy???
not at all, obviously. He did not write a book or subscribe to a philosophy of government. He was a mere dictator who wanted power; he had no desire to rape the souls of his subjects based on an idea like Castro did.It was Batista who was the fascist Nazi.
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LOL. They have what Bernie proposes and have had it for decades. Why is it socialism if Bernie proposes it, but not socialism when implemented in Western Europe decades ago?
No, they figured out that even that level of socialism was not sustainable.
The one exception is Denmark. Population 5 million, and the company Royal Dutch Shell to foot the majority of the costs.
Even with the oil company paying for most of the cost the Danish tax rates are extremely high.
Wrong.
The rest of the world spends less than half what we do on health care, per person, and they are very happy with socialism.
No one is retreating from socialism, because capitalist health care cost way more and is worse quality.
Yeah, which is why it sucks. I don't know about you but I don't want to have to wait 60 hours for an ambulance as happens not infrequently with Englands NHS.
Your problem is you only look at sources that fit your bias.
No, I have just talked to people who actually lived there.
They all say they get faster and better service there than here.
They will even fly back there for any medical procedure, rather than deal with the terrible health care here, even though they get full insurance from their employer here.
That is true with Canada as well.
Yeah, I have lived there too. Canadian medical care is so great we have a wing of Renown hospital here in Reno known as the Canada wing.
Hell, their politicians come HERE for their medical procedures.
Try reading a out the failure of public health instead of listening to "people".
