The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Hollie]

Planning the terror that created Israel

International Socialist Review

That’s no more reliable than your goofy PressTV YouTube videos.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I am reading an academic paper named "Making Jerusalem the centre of the Muslim World: Pan-Islam and the World Islamic congress of 1931." by N. E. Roberts.

It shows, as we have mentioned before, that Jerusalem was never an important part of Islamic thinking until the 1920s with the rise of the infamous antisemite (and later Nazi collaborator) Hajj Amin Husayni as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

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As the paper details, the Mufti immediately started fundraising to repair the Dome- in order to protect it and Jerusalem from being taken over by the Jews. (The paer says "Zionists" but the Mufti was not shy about his antisemitism.)

The entire reason the Dome of the Rock is so ubiquitous in Palestinian political life today is because the British thought they would get goodwill from the Arabs of Palestine if they helped repair the long-ignored site. Instead, it was used to fuel antisemitism and create Palestinian nationalism - which were, and remain, joined at the hip.

This is an early example of something we have seen over and over: Westerners think that when they do something magnanimous for the Arabs, the Arabs would reciprocate with goodwill and cooperation - and the results are the exact opposite.

One cannot downplay how many people have been killed in the century since this decision by the Jewish Herbert Samuel and the British Empire.

(full article online)

The British inadvertently helped Jerusalem become central to Islamic thinking in the 1920s ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yeah, you certainly like this term "bantustan." It implies an example of "apartheid" administration.

Understanding bantustans and apartheid.

 

[Hollie]

Yeah, you certainly like this term "bantustan." It implies an example of "apartheid" administration.

Understanding bantustans and apartheid.

Cross posting the same discredited YouTube videos through multiple threads is really desperate.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jews at American University of Beirut 1925-1948 ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Muslims of 1845 explain why the existence of Israel is such a source of shame today ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

From Zion to San Remo and Beyond

 

[Sixties Fan]

Document showing America’s official recognition of Israel in May 1948 up for sale

 

[Sixties Fan]

June 1939: 8 German Jews attempt suicide after no country accepts them for asylum ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, meets with Adolf Hitler in 1941. Photo: German Federal Archives via Wikimedia Commons.


The Arab Chapter of the Holocaust

 

[P F Tinmore]

Walid Khalidi: The reconquista of Mandatory Palestine under British aegis

 

[rylah]

Walid Khalidi: The reconquista of Mandatory Palestine under British aegis

Another bag of falsehoods.

Wonder why these pseudo historians never mention the 77% of Mandatory Palestine that were partitioned to an Arab state, never mention the Arab pogroms predating Zionism, and always start the story at the late stage of the conflict?

It's not even selective vision, but a clear purposeful deceit to excuse the demand for complete Arab Muslim domination over the entire middle east.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Rare photo collection from Israel's War of Independence up for auction

 

[Sixties Fan]

To whom does the land of Israel belong? Ask Robert F. Kennedy

 

[Smith Naoki]

We should not fight for enemy's death, ethnic relationship, border of nations, and current nations.
We must forgive, if you are forgiven and live.
We are to be forgiven by the authority of the God.
So, Your forgiveness is God's order.

Human was created as animal, then got knowledge of good and evil.
The knowledge of good and evil is against animal intention.
Human body is animal's one. This is sin.
So, animal's body shall be eliminated by the Law.
By this sin, human must die.

So, Christ, the king of Israel, the lord of Abraham and David, eliminates all the animal body.
All the world shall be changed, including relationship of blood, border of nations, and current nations.

Christ died for his enemy, to give forgiveness and new life as only heir of the God's authority.
The desire of the God is Christ's love for and from us.
We must forgive our enemy even if it costs our current life.

Without the forgiveness and the elimination of animal body and everything with it, human cannot be allowed to exist in the world,
because human cannot overcome the animal body without death.
This human being's existence proves the Christ's existence as the purpose of the human existence.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In Arabi21, an Arab writer Zahrat Khadaraj writes about how Israel has supposedly destroyed hundreds of mosques.

The article centers on the Hassan Bek (or Bey) Mosque in Jaffa. But she doesn't expand on its use as a place of prayer. She concentrates on how it was a military site!

We already knew that the minaret of the mosque was used to shoot Jews in 1947, forcing the Yemenite Jews to become the first refugees of the war - before the Partition plan.

The minaret was used in 1948 as a sniper position as well, documented in the Palestine Post and confirmed by Khadaraj:

(full article online)

Arab writer brags that minaret of Hassan Bey mosque in Jaffa was used to shoot Jews ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

In light of the revisionist history going around from Rashida Tlaib and others, including Professor Rashid Khalidi who said that Arabs were largely against the Nazis, I looked up some contemporaneous articles about Nazis in Palestine.

(full article online)

Some examples of Palestinian Arab collaboration with Nazis beyond the Mufti ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

1948 battlefield love story unfolds in forgotten letters recovered by their son

 

[member]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

It was understood at the time, that these were considered part of the self-governing institutions.

When were the British ever tasked with establishing a post office, monetary system, etc.?

(OBSERVATIONS)

In 1948, there was no internet. In many countries, the Post Office ran all types of communication. For a start-up government (TurnKey Operation), the Mandatory Power had to help Israel to have a seamless transition between what the British were running and its handover to the Israelis.

• An internationally recognized bank had to be put in place to that there would be an Israeli currency on day one, with an umbilical to the international level exchange.
  
• The utilities and transportation system, heretofore paid by the British, had to be reckoned with, so that trains, water, electricity, and shipping could be maintained.

There were actions, behind the scenes, that introduced Israel to these critical function. The Arab Palestinians declined to participate.

The military construction engineers, among many other things, built the Allenby Bridge and many Trestles.

The Military, protected many of the assets that were used to establish powerlines and water systems, that would have been stolen if left to the Arabs.

Then, there were organizations like the Black Hand that needed to be dealt with in a more permanent way.

See: United Nations Palestine Commission during its deliberations from 9 January to 17 May 1948. It will give you a better insight into the meaning of "establishing self-governing institutions."

Most Respectfully,
R

How much military force is required to establish a post office, monetary system, etc.?

I was only using these as examples. Palestine was a functioning society. They had districts centered around population centers and local governments. The only thing they needed were some national institutions, like a post office, for example. Britain had its occu...er...ahh...Mandate for thirty years and created nothing. The Palestinians would have been better off without the administrative assistance and advice of the British.

"Palestine was a functioning society..."



...and then islamic terrorists came along and made it UNfunctional - [what, they didn't?].

 

[Sixties Fan]

Love of the Land: The British White Paper: 80 Years Later - by Larry Domnitch