The North Pole could melt this year

California is experiencing the driest year on record, and the wildfires were started by lightening strikes.

But nevermind, if the melting of the North Pole can't convince you that the earth is warming, nothing will.

Is it your contention, that all of the wildfires in CA were caused by lightning?
http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
As shown in Fig ures 2, 11, and 12, the trends in gla cier short ening
and sea level rise be gan a century before the 60-year 6-fold increase
in hy drocarbon use, and have not changed dur ing that
increase. Hydrocarbon use could not have caused these trends.
 
Now you are just lying. How sad for you.

However, according to David Hofmann, director of the NOAA Climate Monitoring and Diagnostics Laboratory in Boulder, Colo., the rate of carbon-dioxide increase returned to the long-term average level of about 1.5 ppm per year in 2004, indicating that the temporary fluctuation was probably due to changes in the natural processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere.
How is that lying again, straight from your article.

BTW....the article title
AFTER TWO LARGE ANNUAL GAINS, RATE OF ATMOSPHERIC CO2 INCREASE
RETURNS TO AVERAGE, NOAA REPORTS
 
However, according to David Hofmann, director of the NOAA Climate Monitoring and Diagnostics Laboratory in Boulder, Colo., the rate of carbon-dioxide increase returned to the long-term average level of about 1.5 ppm per year in 2004, indicating that the temporary fluctuation was probably due to changes in the natural processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere.
How is that lying again, straight from your article.

BTW....the article title
AFTER TWO LARGE ANNUAL GAINS, RATE OF ATMOSPHERIC CO2 INCREASE
RETURNS TO AVERAGE, NOAA REPORTS

Like I said, lying. "Temporary fluctuation" is the key phrase. The CO2 increase has been continuous and the NOAA article says it is caused by man. Nice try though, but you are not really serious, you are just playing.
 
Scientific measurements of levels of CO2 contained in cylinders of ice, called ice cores, indicate that the pre-industrial carbon dioxide level was 278 ppm. That level did not vary more than 7 ppm during the 800 years between 1000 and 1800 A.D.

Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased from about 315 ppm in 1958 to 378 ppm at the end of 2004, which means human activities have increased the concentration of atmospheric CO2 by 100 ppm or 36 percent.
 
California is experiencing the driest year on record, and the wildfires were started by lightening strikes.
But nevermind, if the melting of the North Pole can't convince you that the earth is warming, nothing will.

Looking at the estimated burned acreage, researchers found that wildfires spewed an average 1.3 million tons a year of tiny smoke particles in prehistoric California compared with about 78,000 tons in 2006, the most recent year for which the data in available.

California Wildfires: not global warming, but “business as usual” for nature Watts Up With That?
 
Scientific measurements of levels of CO2 contained in cylinders of ice, called ice cores, indicate that the pre-industrial carbon dioxide level was 278 ppm. That level did not vary more than 7 ppm during the 800 years between 1000 and 1800 A.D.

Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased from about 315 ppm in 1958 to 378 ppm at the end of 2004, which means human activities have increased the concentration of atmospheric CO2 by 100 ppm or 36 percent.

I refer you back to post 272....
 
Looking at the estimated burned acreage, researchers found that wildfires spewed an average 1.3 million tons a year of tiny smoke particles in prehistoric California compared with about 78,000 tons in 2006, the most recent year for which the data in available.

California Wildfires: not global warming, but “business as usual” for nature Watts Up With That?

Which proves what, exactly?

That wild fires, unchecked burn more acreage than wildfires which mankind fights?

I don't doubt that for a moment.

I do NOT think one can pin the wild fires in CA on Global warming except in the sense that everything is the result of the state of the glaobal climate.

One can easily pin EVERYTHING that happens regarding the weather on every inch of the earth on Gobal warming or global NOT warming if you believe that's the true state of affairs.

Because it is impossible for anything to happen locally, which is not caused by what is happening globally.

So what that means is that if CA had had the wettest year in history and NO wild fires, that ALSO would have been the result of the overall state of the world's climate.

Make sense?

One cannot pick and choose events and say they are the result of the global climate, but something else is not.

All weather events on the global are the result of the global climate, be they good or bad
 
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Looking at the estimated burned acreage, researchers found that wildfires spewed an average 1.3 million tons a year of tiny smoke particles in prehistoric California compared with about 78,000 tons in 2006, the most recent year for which the data in available.

California Wildfires: not global warming, but “business as usual” for nature Watts Up With That?

About 30 lightning-sparked wildfires in Butte County, where Paradise and Concow are located, have charred 47,000 acres in recent weeks and was about 40 percent contained, officials said.

Fire crews across the state have been trying to cover hundreds of active California wildfires, many of which were ignited by a lightning storm more than two weeks ago. Some 1,450 fires had been contained late Tuesday, but more than 320 were still active, authorities said.

At a fire east of Bakersfield on Tuesday, wind gusts caused flames to jump fire lines and destroy or damage five residences and four more outbuildings in the Sequoia National Forest.

A blaze threatening the small coastal community of Big Sur let up just enough to allow hundreds of people to check on their homes Tuesday. Authorities announced that more residents would be allowed to return Wednesday morning.

At least 23 homes and 25 other structures have been destroyed in Big Sur as flames marched over more than 125 square miles of land since June 21.

Although that fire is far from controlled - the rugged terrain has kept containment at 23 percent into the fire's third week - authorities lifted the mandatory evacuation order issued for 25 miles of the 31-mile stretch along the Pacific Coast Highway that had been closed.

Many of the 1,500 evacuated residents of Big Sur headed home Tuesday morning through smoke and ash, anxious to gauge the damage. Officials, however, cautioned that the lifted evacuation orders did not mean conditions had drastically improved.

A wildfire in the Los Padres National Forest near Santa Barbara grew slightly to 9,785 acres, or about 15 square miles, but the number of homes threatened dropped sharply Tuesday as crews secured fire lines near populated areas.

The blaze continues to threaten about 250 homes, down from a peak of more than 3,000. The fire is 55 percent contained, said U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Debbie Becker.

"It's going according to plan," Becker said "They've really got a good hold on this fire but there's still a lot of potential to get worse."

The expected heat wave raised not only the fire danger, but also concerns about heat illness among firefighters worn down by the long fight against blazes that have consumed more than 985 square miles in California since late June.

"We do have a lot of fatigue because of the low numbers of resources in the state," said Thom Walsh, a Forest Service resource unit leader.

Crews took rest breaks in refrigerated trailers with bunk beds before returning to the field, but heat stroke was a worry, Walsh said.

Highs are likely to be in the triple digits across much of the northern half of the state until at least Friday, National Weather Service forecaster Christine Riley said.

Temperature records for the date were broken in five cities Tuesday. Among them were Sacramento, where the temperature reached 108, breaking the previous high of 104 degrees set in 1997. Stockton recorded 105 and Modesto 107, both breaking records for July 8 set in 2006.
 
I read posts like the above, and realize I made the best choice available to me when I elected to move to and raise my family in Maine.

Of course, nobody knows what the future will bring us, but DAMN FOLKS, some of you are seriously getting screwed over by the climate and resulting wealther patterns of late.

You have my sympathy, and of course I will continue to support the Federal government coming to the aid of disaster areas whereever and whenever they happen. (this aid is NOT strictly constiutional of course, but then so little that we need from a modern Federal govermnet really is)
 
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About 30 lightning-sparked wildfires in Butte County, where Paradise and Concow are located, have charred 47,000 acres in recent weeks and was about 40 percent contained, officials said.

Fire crews across the state have been trying to cover hundreds of active California wildfires, many of which were ignited by a lightning storm more than two weeks ago. Some 1,450 fires had been contained late Tuesday, but more than 320 were still active, authorities said.

At a fire east of Bakersfield on Tuesday, wind gusts caused flames to jump fire lines and destroy or damage five residences and four more outbuildings in the Sequoia National Forest.

A blaze threatening the small coastal community of Big Sur let up just enough to allow hundreds of people to check on their homes Tuesday. Authorities announced that more residents would be allowed to return Wednesday morning.

At least 23 homes and 25 other structures have been destroyed in Big Sur as flames marched over more than 125 square miles of land since June 21.

Although that fire is far from controlled - the rugged terrain has kept containment at 23 percent into the fire's third week - authorities lifted the mandatory evacuation order issued for 25 miles of the 31-mile stretch along the Pacific Coast Highway that had been closed.

Many of the 1,500 evacuated residents of Big Sur headed home Tuesday morning through smoke and ash, anxious to gauge the damage. Officials, however, cautioned that the lifted evacuation orders did not mean conditions had drastically improved.

A wildfire in the Los Padres National Forest near Santa Barbara grew slightly to 9,785 acres, or about 15 square miles, but the number of homes threatened dropped sharply Tuesday as crews secured fire lines near populated areas.

The blaze continues to threaten about 250 homes, down from a peak of more than 3,000. The fire is 55 percent contained, said U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Debbie Becker.

"It's going according to plan," Becker said "They've really got a good hold on this fire but there's still a lot of potential to get worse."

The expected heat wave raised not only the fire danger, but also concerns about heat illness among firefighters worn down by the long fight against blazes that have consumed more than 985 square miles in California since late June.

"We do have a lot of fatigue because of the low numbers of resources in the state," said Thom Walsh, a Forest Service resource unit leader.

Crews took rest breaks in refrigerated trailers with bunk beds before returning to the field, but heat stroke was a worry, Walsh said.

Highs are likely to be in the triple digits across much of the northern half of the state until at least Friday, National Weather Service forecaster Christine Riley said.

Temperature records for the date were broken in five cities Tuesday. Among them were Sacramento, where the temperature reached 108, breaking the previous high of 104 degrees set in 1997. Stockton recorded 105 and Modesto 107, both breaking records for July 8 set in 2006.

Droughts, Wildfires have not increased globally that is myth. Wildfires in Ca remain for the most part unchanged in the last 500 years....

Global Warming is happening but it started well before the huge influx of carbon emmissions.
 
Droughts, Wildfires have not increased globally that is myth. Wildfires in Ca remain for the most part unchanged in the last 500 years....

Global Warming is happening but it started well before the huge influx of carbon emmissions.

CO2 is accelerating the warming.

We melted the North Pole in 50 short years.

The wildfire season is now longer than it was. I posted a scientific study about that which you chose to ignore. 1,000 square miles of California have burned, and it isn't even fire season yet.
 
CO2 is accelerating the warming. We melted the North Pole in 50 short years.

The wildfire season is now longer than it was. I posted a scientific study about that which you chose to ignore. 1,000 square miles of California have burned, and it isn't even fire season yet.
As I have said, nothing in the wildfires has changed in the last 500 years. You state there has been an uptick since the 80's, fine. But CO2 emmissions were growing by a clip of 30% since 1880 with no dramatic change in wildfires. Also as I have said, CA is a small part of the planet. It's like seeing one deer and saying that the deer population is exploding.:lol:

http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf
Surface temperatures in the United States during the past century
reflect this natural warming trend and its correlation with solar activity,
as shown in Figures 4 and 5. Compiled U.S. surface temperatures
have increased about 0.5 °C per century, which is consistent with
other historical values of 0.4 to 0.5 °C per century during the recovery
from the Little Ice Age (13-17). This temperature change is slight
as compared with other natural variations, as shown in Figure 6.
Three intermediate trends are evident, including the decreasing trend
used to justify fears of “global cooling” in the 1970s.
 
About 30 lightning-sparked wildfires in Butte County, where Paradise and Concow are located, have charred 47,000 acres in recent weeks and was about 40 percent contained, officials said.

Fire crews across the state have been trying to cover hundreds of active California wildfires, many of which were ignited by a lightning storm more than two weeks ago. Some 1,450 fires had been contained late Tuesday, but more than 320 were still active, authorities said.

At a fire east of Bakersfield on Tuesday, wind gusts caused flames to jump fire lines and destroy or damage five residences and four more outbuildings in the Sequoia National Forest.

A blaze threatening the small coastal community of Big Sur let up just enough to allow hundreds of people to check on their homes Tuesday. Authorities announced that more residents would be allowed to return Wednesday morning.

At least 23 homes and 25 other structures have been destroyed in Big Sur as flames marched over more than 125 square miles of land since June 21.

Although that fire is far from controlled - the rugged terrain has kept containment at 23 percent into the fire's third week - authorities lifted the mandatory evacuation order issued for 25 miles of the 31-mile stretch along the Pacific Coast Highway that had been closed.

Many of the 1,500 evacuated residents of Big Sur headed home Tuesday morning through smoke and ash, anxious to gauge the damage. Officials, however, cautioned that the lifted evacuation orders did not mean conditions had drastically improved.

A wildfire in the Los Padres National Forest near Santa Barbara grew slightly to 9,785 acres, or about 15 square miles, but the number of homes threatened dropped sharply Tuesday as crews secured fire lines near populated areas.

The blaze continues to threaten about 250 homes, down from a peak of more than 3,000. The fire is 55 percent contained, said U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Debbie Becker.

"It's going according to plan," Becker said "They've really got a good hold on this fire but there's still a lot of potential to get worse."

The expected heat wave raised not only the fire danger, but also concerns about heat illness among firefighters worn down by the long fight against blazes that have consumed more than 985 square miles in California since late June.

"We do have a lot of fatigue because of the low numbers of resources in the state," said Thom Walsh, a Forest Service resource unit leader.

Crews took rest breaks in refrigerated trailers with bunk beds before returning to the field, but heat stroke was a worry, Walsh said.

Highs are likely to be in the triple digits across much of the northern half of the state until at least Friday, National Weather Service forecaster Christine Riley said.

Temperature records for the date were broken in five cities Tuesday. Among them were Sacramento, where the temperature reached 108, breaking the previous high of 104 degrees set in 1997. Stockton recorded 105 and Modesto 107, both breaking records for July 8 set in 2006.

I thought you might enjoy this article but wait don't tell me the newspaper is funded by Exxon.:eusa_shifty:

Our leaders are in carbon-cloud cuckoo land - Telegraph
The second reason why this infatuation with cutting carbon emissions is beginning to look extraordinarily reckless is that the whole scientific theory on which it is based now appears distinctly questionable.

The orthodox global-warming thesis, accepted by pretty well every politician in the Western world, but not by a growing number of scientists, is that, as CO2 levels in the atmosphere continue to rise, so too should global temperatures. Unless we can drastically reduce those CO2 levels, the world is thus threatened with catastrophe.

In the past year or two, however, evidence has been piling up to suggest that there may be a fundamental flaw in this theory. Even though atmospheric CO2 has continued to rise to levels not seen since the distant geological past, temperatures have not been following suit.

After 2000 the global temperature curve flattened out at a level significantly lower than the freak year 1998, and in recent months temperatures have dropped to levels not seen since the early 1980s.

Despite the best efforts of the global-warming lobby to keep the scare going, the northern hemisphere enjoyed its coldest winter for decades, and this summer has shown the curve sinking even lower.

Even the warmists are having to find excuses for the fact that their theory doesn't exactly seem to be holding up, conceding that the next 10 years may see a period of global cooling, before the "underlying warming trend" returns worse than ever.

Other scientists point out that, rather than look to CO2 for an explanation of global temperatures, a much more convincing link can be seen in the activity of the sun, with current sunspot levels having dramatically fallen to levels associated with historic periods of global cooling recorded in the past.

Yet just when such huge question marks are being raised over the "CO2 equals warming" theory, our politicians have swallowed it whole, as an act of blind faith - using it to justify such massive costs to our economy that our whole way of life seems destined to change significantly for the worse.
 
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Look at all the excess sea ice in the Antarctic. Surely, this is proof positive of global cooling, right?
 
TopGunna, sorry to spoil your Exxon slumber party, but things are changing....

Antarctic ice breaking up even in winter - Climate Change - MSNBC.com

The Antarctic Peninsula is a very small area that has very clearly been warming substantially over the last few decades, but it represents only 2% of Antarctica. Its local climate is not indicative of the rest of Antarctica or the rest of the Southern Hemisphere, much less of the globe.

Antarctic sea ice extent is actually at the highest levels observed since we started watching it via satellite around 1979. Ice may be shrinking around the Peninsula, but is net growing over the whole continent.
 
I am still waiting for a response to the fact that Water Vapor is the single biggest contributing factor as a green house gas, and the fact that CO2 is only a tiny part of the total make up of our atmosphere.
 
I am still waiting for a response to the fact that Water Vapor is the single biggest contributing factor as a green house gas, and the fact that CO2 is only a tiny part of the total make up of our atmosphere.

Unfortunately, it's a fact that the AGW activists choose to ignore. I've seen more ingored posts by AGW artards then anyone else. There's a guy that hasn't posted here in a while (The Good Shephard) that always did that. He said there's proof GW is caused by humans and that CO2 is the culprit, yet, when he couldn't prove it, he's simply call you a liar and claim your sources were bad--which seems to be the cause with other alarmist here.
 

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