The Not-So-Hidden Power To Destroy America

[beagle9]

Hey all, lightning struck and I accidentally had a thought about why it is so easy to convert young people into socialists. It is pretty standard that when people get older, and earn a living, that they get more conservative, but I think there is more to it. Technology and modern life has isolated people so much from the real world that it is easy to understand why young people think the government can just provide for everybody. People are so far disconnected from the past and the natural world that there is no reason for them not to think this. You just go to the grocery or order something off the net, and it appears. I admit that I have no useful survival skills, and if the power went out for an extended time I would be in trouble. Without our technology we are helpless. My grandparents were depression era farmers, and my mother was raised on a farm. What you did could easily be connected to how you lived. If things didn't go well, you didn't eat in the winter. I'm not saying you have to have farm experience to learn self reliance, but in general I believe in the past it was much easier to connect what you did with how you lived. Why would young people who live on their phones and the internet(I do too) have any understanding of how you live in connection to what you put into it? It would be simple to teach these kids that the government can provide all kinds of wonderful things like a giant grocery store. There is a step missing in modern life. Kids can't equate the effort they put into life with what kind of life they will live.

That's exactly what has gone on. People aren't dumb, and they know how their parents lived, but the promise of modernization/technology has removed all their fears of having to apply themselves in crisis situations whether small or large.

I would hate to be a cop today in the situation that has now been created in the fall out of it all, and due to the warp speed in it all.... Many have been left behind, and it creates a jealousy and confusion between the haves and the have nots. This is the area the government is trying to fill, and depending on who is running the government it can be a worse situation than it already is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey all, lightning struck and I accidentally had a thought about why it is so easy to convert young people into socialists. It is pretty standard that when people get older, and earn a living, that they get more conservative, but I think there is more to it. Technology and modern life has isolated people so much from the real world that it is easy to understand why young people think the government can just provide for everybody. People are so far disconnected from the past and the natural world that there is no reason for them not to think this. You just go to the grocery or order something off the net, and it appears. I admit that I have no useful survival skills, and if the power went out for an extended time I would be in trouble. Without our technology we are helpless. My grandparents were depression era farmers, and my mother was raised on a farm. What you did could easily be connected to how you lived. If things didn't go well, you didn't eat in the winter. I'm not saying you have to have farm experience to learn self reliance, but in general I believe in the past it was much easier to connect what you did with how you lived. Why would young people who live on their phones and the internet(I do too) have any understanding of how you live in connection to what you put into it? It would be simple to teach these kids that the government can provide all kinds of wonderful things like a giant grocery store. There is a step missing in modern life. Kids can't equate the effort they put into life with what kind of life they will live.

That's exactly what has gone on. People aren't dumb, and they know how their parents lived, but the promise of modernization/technology has removed all their fears of having to apply themselves in crisis situations whether small or large.

I would hate to be a cop today in the situation that has now been created in the fall out of it all, and due to the warp speed in it all.... Many have been left behind, and it creates a jealousy and confusion between the haves and the have nots. This is the area the government is trying to fill, and depending on who is running the government it can be a worse situation than it already is.

Beag.....there are no 'have nots.'


"The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II."
How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

 

[Toronado3800]

Political ditz is upset because real facts get in the way of her lies and destroy their petty thinking. Also, she thinks like tDRUMP, they believe in their own thoughts as truth.

6. The longer in government school, the less American they are:


“More than half of these high schoolers surveyed say they don't consider themselves an American patriot. Among millennials, more than a third aren't patriots.

…younger generations are more likely to approve of athletes kneeling in protest during the national anthem, and less likely to show respect for the flag.

Sixty percent of millennials, for example, say the U.S. is sexist, and 63% say it's racist. More than half of college-aged Gen Z say this about the U.S.

…half of the college-aged Gen Z think America is more racist than other countries.

While more than 8 in 10 boomers agree that America is the greatest country in the world, just a bare majority of millennials (54%) and high schoolers (51%) think it is.

Almost a third of millennials say America isn't a great country today, with 14% saying it never was great.” Millennials Are Far More Ignorant And Less Patriotic Than Boomers, Survey Finds | Investor's Business Daily





If you don’t homeschool, and take an active part in your children’s education, you are acquiescing to and contributing to the ‘red tide’ and tacitly approving of the destruction of the America that the Founders created.

The longer folks stay in public school, the more they learn is what you are saying?

Also, the younger folks are the more of this has come out?

Tuskegee syphilis experiment - Wikipedia

The younger folks are the more of this new found racist zealotry shocks them?

No one is going to say not to take part in your child's education. Hell, educate them against the red tide of the republicans or whatever nuts stuff you are saying.

BTW, what day was America great? The day we limited Asian immigration because we didn't want slant eyed "yellow people"? The day big government freed the slaves? The day Jim Crow laws took over? The day the band of brothers forced a backwards state to allow black kids into school? You are shocked 63% say the U.S. is racist? Think it should be higher or lower?

Let's stick to the topic at hand.


The results of government schooling are in.

I've reported them.....


“More than half of these high schoolers surveyed say they don't consider themselves an American patriot. Among millennials, more than a third aren't patriots.

…younger generations are more likely to approve of athletes kneeling in protest during the national anthem, and less likely to show respect for the flag.

Sixty percent of millennials, for example, say the U.S. is sexist, and 63% say it's racist. More than half of college-aged Gen Z say this about the U.S.

…half of the college-aged Gen Z think America is more racist than other countries.

While more than 8 in 10 boomers agree that America is the greatest country in the world, just a bare majority of millennials (54%) and high schoolers (51%) think it is.

Almost a third of millennials say America isn't a great country today, with 14% saying it never was great.”


“The survey also asked which is better for America' future: capitalism or socialism? Overall, 61% of the public favors capitalism. Given the appalling record of socialism, that is a shockingly low percentage.

But the ill-informed and hopelessly misguided infatuation with socialism grows stronger as people get younger. Among millennials and college age people, a bare majority (53%) prefer capitalism.

And more than half of today's high schoolers believe Barack Obama was a more consequential president than George Washington.”

"We were totally unprepared for what our national survey reveals: an epidemic of anti-Americanism,"….”


. "Congratulations to the leftists who've taken over the nation's public education system. They're now producing generations of Americans who know little about their own country, other than that they hate it.

…. younger generations — millennials (age 22-27) and Gen Z (age 14-21) — are less likely to love and respect the country. And they're less informed about American history, and way more likely to embrace socialism. Is that just evidence of youthful ignorance? Or is it the result of a school system that indoctrinates children in leftist ideology?


. …. schools are filling kids' heads with leftist propaganda, they're failing to teach young people much about U.S. history.

The survey found that 87% of high school students flunked a five-question test of basic knowledge about American history, the worst of any age group."


“We were totally unprepared for what our national survey reveals: an epidemic of anti-Americanism," said Nick Adams, who launched the foundation. "A major fraction of an entire generation has been indoctrinated by teachers starting in grade school that America is what's wrong with the world." (You can read the entire survey report here.)

Adams, who is a recent Australian immigrant, can be forgiven for his shock at learning that U.S. public schools teach children to hate America.

For the rest of us, there's no excuse for not knowing what's going on in our schools today, and no reason to tolerate it.”



“…Millennials Ignorant Anti-Americans…” Millennials Are Far More Ignorant And Less Patriotic Than Boomers, Survey Finds | Investor's Business Daily






Schools produce hate-filled, uninformed so-called Americans....y'know....like you.

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

 

[beagle9]

Hey all, lightning struck and I accidentally had a thought about why it is so easy to convert young people into socialists. It is pretty standard that when people get older, and earn a living, that they get more conservative, but I think there is more to it. Technology and modern life has isolated people so much from the real world that it is easy to understand why young people think the government can just provide for everybody. People are so far disconnected from the past and the natural world that there is no reason for them not to think this. You just go to the grocery or order something off the net, and it appears. I admit that I have no useful survival skills, and if the power went out for an extended time I would be in trouble. Without our technology we are helpless. My grandparents were depression era farmers, and my mother was raised on a farm. What you did could easily be connected to how you lived. If things didn't go well, you didn't eat in the winter. I'm not saying you have to have farm experience to learn self reliance, but in general I believe in the past it was much easier to connect what you did with how you lived. Why would young people who live on their phones and the internet(I do too) have any understanding of how you live in connection to what you put into it? It would be simple to teach these kids that the government can provide all kinds of wonderful things like a giant grocery store. There is a step missing in modern life. Kids can't equate the effort they put into life with what kind of life they will live.

That's exactly what has gone on. People aren't dumb, and they know how their parents lived, but the promise of modernization/technology has removed all their fears of having to apply themselves in crisis situations whether small or large.

I would hate to be a cop today in the situation that has now been created in the fall out of it all, and due to the warp speed in it all.... Many have been left behind, and it creates a jealousy and confusion between the haves and the have nots. This is the area the government is trying to fill, and depending on who is running the government it can be a worse situation than it already is.

Beag.....there are no 'have nots.'


"The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II."
How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Not talking about facts, but talking about the perception created in it all, and then the libs trying to capitalize on the perception created by attempting to become the care takers for those whom feel they need hero's to come and save the day for them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Good Christ, they are of course bringing up "nazis" and desperately trying to equate Trump as a fucking nazi.

I know there are no words in the English language to describe how much I hate the left. Especially their pathetic know it all ignorant voters.

Fuck the democrats. They are the enemy of this nation and all decent people.

 

[Intolerant]

Schools are mostly locally controlled .

Which is why red states schools suck compared to blue state schools. Conservatives don’t care about educating America .

Who would want to be an educated dumbass liberal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

The gutter filth who have coopted our schools need to stop lying to children. The Communist indoctrination need to teach legitimate history. Yes, kids SHOULD know who George Washington was. They should know that liberty was worth fighting for. They SHOULD understand why a free market provides more goods and services to more people than any other system known to man.

Really we are worse than terrible. Our schools are insidious. We turn out children who are unable to reason, who have had any and all intellectual curiosity hammered out of them. Those who blindly accept anything the mal-educators tell them with utterly no validation.

 

[beagle9]

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

The gutter filth who have coopted our schools need to stop lying to children. The Communist indoctrination need to teach legitimate history. Yes, kids SHOULD know who George Washington was. They should know that liberty was worth fighting for. They SHOULD understand why a free market provides more goods and services to more people than any other system known to man.

Really we are worse than terrible. Our schools are insidious. We turn out children who are unable to reason, who have had any and all intellectual curiosity hammered out of them. Those who blindly accept anything the mal-educators tell them with utterly no validation.

The sad thing is that the conservatives THINK that this mess won't come a knocking at there doors, but it is finally over whelming them, and they can't run from it anymore. Time to turn and fight for their values, religion's, and their way of life. It's over (the running), it's over.

Not about racism or being racist against anyone regardless of how the left wants to use that as a destroyer now, but it's instead about standing up for anyone regardless of color if so chooses to have the great values and standards in which most American's have stood for through out the years.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

The gutter filth who have coopted our schools need to stop lying to children. The Communist indoctrination need to teach legitimate history. Yes, kids SHOULD know who George Washington was. They should know that liberty was worth fighting for. They SHOULD understand why a free market provides more goods and services to more people than any other system known to man.

Really we are worse than terrible. Our schools are insidious. We turn out children who are unable to reason, who have had any and all intellectual curiosity hammered out of them. Those who blindly accept anything the mal-educators tell them with utterly no validation.

The sad thing is that the conservatives THINK that this mess won't come a knocking at there doors, but it is finally over whelming them, and they can't run from it anymore. Time to turn and fight for their values, religion's, and their way of life. It's over (the running), it's over.

Not about racism or being racist against anyone regardless of how the left wants to use that as a destroyer now, but it's instead about standing up for anyone regardless of color if so chooses to have the great values and standards in which most American's have stood for through out the years.

Conservatives???

What, exactly do you have in mind as 'racism'?

If it an action, an act, a behavior that is a crime, there are laws and agencies to deal with it.

If it is a thought, a bias, ....it fall under the rubric of the first amendment......at least for a conservative.

You don't agree?

 

[LeftofLeft]

....and the End Of This Nobel Experiment




The results are in, conclusions drawn: the major force in the destruction of America is….

…Owned and operated by Liberalism, Inc., it is government schooling.

Time for cheering by the Left, and, as TS Eliot wrote, America ending with a whimper.




1.Here is an allegory…. a tale that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one…..for our nation’s history and future:

“As a group, America's poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels. Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Again? “Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.”

Clearly, America has lived up to the promise, and more…’supernourished.’





2.But, at what cost to the nation itself? In exchange for what?

The generation of Americans who purchased these perks for the less well cared for were, themselves, poorer, smaller, and less well fed…..yet they loved an America that offered promise and potential to produce what we have today.



3.And those less rewarded, earlier Americans….how did they feel about their nation?

“When word got around that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor and destroyed our fleet, it really hit home,” Smith recalled. “Everybody was patriotic completely. A lot of fellows I knew headed to the enlistment stations and signed up for service. … It was quite a time.”
Veteran: Pearl Harbor attack sparked patriotism in America - The Citizen




4. I hope you are shocked when you see the description of the current well-off beneficiaries of the Americans who stormed the shores of Normandy:


“…Millennials Ignorant Anti-Americans…” Millennials Are Far More Ignorant And Less Patriotic Than Boomers, Survey Finds | Investor's Business Daily


Schools produce hate-filled, uninformed so-called Americans.

Examples will follow.

More.......our poor have it too good BS

Ok.... define what level the poor should be at for an acceptable level? Is the taxpayer providing shelter, food, healthcare, education, transportation? So, what is the measured level of acceptance? Duration? Income?

 

[georgephillip]

Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Your link is over a decade old.
"August 27, 2007 26 min read Download Report"

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2017

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years



1. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent.

Poverty in the 50 years since ‘The Other America,’ in five charts



2. The official poverty rate in 2016 was 12.7 percent, when Hussein left office.
us poverty rate 2016 - Google Search



3. Not a very great change in over half a century....


Let's see how much that few points cost us:

"This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal."
The War on Poverty After 50 Years



4. Interesting, considering that there is no real poverty in this county.

When you write: "there is no real poverty in this country", I can't help wondering if you have ever experienced homelessness?

"While homelessness is certainly not a new phenomenon in the United States or in New York City, where it dates back to at least the colonial era, there is no question that modern homelessness, which began in the late 1970s, is a unique historical occurrence.

"Indeed, one must go back to the Great Depression of the 1930s to find another period in New York history when homelessness was such a routine, persistent, visible feature of urban life, and when it affected such a wide swath of the city’s population."

Why Are So Many People Homeless? - Coalition For The Homeless

The US currently exhibits a greater disparity between its rich and poor citizens than any other developed country on this planet.

A condition that seems to begin worsening about the same time poverty rates began to flat line.

Causation, correlation, or coincidence?

Wealth Inequality - Inequality.org

 

[PoliticalChic]

Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Your link is over a decade old.
"August 27, 2007 26 min read Download Report"

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2017

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years



1. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent.

Poverty in the 50 years since ‘The Other America,’ in five charts



2. The official poverty rate in 2016 was 12.7 percent, when Hussein left office.
us poverty rate 2016 - Google Search



3. Not a very great change in over half a century....


Let's see how much that few points cost us:

"This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal."
The War on Poverty After 50 Years



4. Interesting, considering that there is no real poverty in this county.

When you write: "there is no real poverty in this country", I can't help wondering if you have ever experienced homelessness?

"While homelessness is certainly not a new phenomenon in the United States or in New York City, where it dates back to at least the colonial era, there is no question that modern homelessness, which began in the late 1970s, is a unique historical occurrence.

"Indeed, one must go back to the Great Depression of the 1930s to find another period in New York history when homelessness was such a routine, persistent, visible feature of urban life, and when it affected such a wide swath of the city’s population."

Why Are So Many People Homeless? - Coalition For The Homeless

The US currently exhibits a greater disparity between its rich and poor citizens than any other developed country on this planet.

A condition that seems to begin worsening about the same time poverty rates began to flat line.

Causation, correlation, or coincidence?

Wealth Inequality - Inequality.org

Controlling the language is how the Left wins arguments.

They don't win based on facts or reality.

I'm going to explain this in two posts.....I hope you have the time and interest to read both.

The first:

1. .... a definition of ‘poverty’ based on a dollar figure is illusory, and meaningful only to a pencil-pushing government accountant. Instead, we should recognize that the term is used to manipulate big-hearted folks who imagine a picture our of Dickens, complete with orphanages and poor houses.

2. For two decades, the Census Bureau has reported almost yearly that more than 35 million Americans live in "poverty." Last fall, census officials grabbed headlines by saying 43.5 million persons were poor. That's one in seven Americans.

But what does it mean to be "poor" in America? What is poverty?

For most U.S. residents, the word "poverty" suggests destitution: an inability to provide yourself and your family with reasonable shelter, nutritious food and clothing.

A Poverty Pulse poll taken by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development, for example, asked: "How would you describe being poor in the U.S.?" The vast majority of responses focused on homelessness, hunger or inability to eat properly, and failure to meet basic needs.

The dominant news media amplifies this link in the public mind between poverty and severe deprivation. Most stories on poverty feature homeless families, or folks living in crumbling shacks, or lines of the downtrodden waiting to eat in soup kitchens.

Fortunately, such images have little or nothing to do with the actual living conditions of most of the more than 40 million Americans defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau. http://articles.ocregister.com/2011-07-27/news/29836665_1_poor-poverty-american-soldiers



Did you notice you jumped to "homelessness"?



This is poverty: no home, no heat, no food.


It is essentially non-existent in America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Post #2....explaining why 'poverty' doesn't exist in this country:

'Poverty’ may be illusory. It exists in the context in which we discuss it, based on a dollar figure, …the government “developed poverty thresholds. based on the "thrifty food plan," which was the cheapest of four food plans developed by the Department of Agriculture. The food plan was "designed for temporary or emergency use when funds are low," according to the USDA.

Based on the 1955 Household Food Consumption Survey from the USDA (the latest available survey at the time), Orshansky knew that families of three or more persons spent about one third of their after-tax income on food, then multiplied the cost of the USDA economy food plan by three to arrive at the minimal yearly income a family would need. Using 1963 as a base year, she calculated that a family of four, two adults and two children would spend $1,033 for food per year. Using her formula based on the 1955 survey, she arrived at $3,100 a year ($1,033 x3) as the poverty threshold for a family of four in 1963….Each year, the U.S. Census Bureau updates the poverty threshold to account for inflation.” How We Measure Poverty
http://www.ocpp.org/poverty/how/



Did you get that?
Each year, the U.S. Census Bureau updates the poverty threshold to account for inflation.”

The government just keeps raising the bar for 'poverty'....not based on need, based on what others have.

So....'poverty' means their TV is smaller, their home that they own isn't as nice as yours....

...it is a scam to buy votes of the 'poor' and sell the concept to those soft hearted and and soft headed.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Maybe kids are turning to communism because traditional values are not as relevant to their lives today? Life is so much different now it is hard for me to understand. Now people just put in 7 hours, come home to their apartment and log on. Then they go to bed and do it again. I'm not being critical, it is just vastly different. Even in the old days it was joked that the crap rose to the top. I think Dostoevsky had a great story about that in his Notes From Underground. People who just start a job get paid way more than people who have been there 20 years. You work your behind off to get an engineering degree and then you end up working for Dilbert's pointy headed boss. Actually, many people who work their tails off are either hated by other employees or taken advantage of by people who will use them. If you don't own your own business, what is the motivation to excel? Mechanization is just making things that much more confusing. None of the experts know what that will bring. This isn't my time, I don't get it, so while I am sad kids are turning to collectivism, I guess it does make a kind of sense.

 

[beagle9]

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

The gutter filth who have coopted our schools need to stop lying to children. The Communist indoctrination need to teach legitimate history. Yes, kids SHOULD know who George Washington was. They should know that liberty was worth fighting for. They SHOULD understand why a free market provides more goods and services to more people than any other system known to man.

Really we are worse than terrible. Our schools are insidious. We turn out children who are unable to reason, who have had any and all intellectual curiosity hammered out of them. Those who blindly accept anything the mal-educators tell them with utterly no validation.

The sad thing is that the conservatives THINK that this mess won't come a knocking at there doors, but it is finally over whelming them, and they can't run from it anymore. Time to turn and fight for their values, religion's, and their way of life. It's over (the running), it's over.

Not about racism or being racist against anyone regardless of how the left wants to use that as a destroyer now, but it's instead about standing up for anyone regardless of color if so chooses to have the great values and standards in which most American's have stood for through out the years.

Conservatives???

What, exactly do you have in mind as 'racism'?

If it an action, an act, a behavior that is a crime, there are laws and agencies to deal with it.

If it is a thought, a bias, ....it fall under the rubric of the first amendment......at least for a conservative.

You don't agree?

If you can't comprehend my post, it best not to comment because clearly you can't comprehend my post.

 

[beagle9]

Maybe kids are turning to communism because traditional values are not as relevant to their lives today? Life is so much different now it is hard for me to understand. Now people just put in 7 hours, come home to their apartment and log on. Then they go to bed and do it again. I'm not being critical, it is just vastly different. Even in the old days it was joked that the crap rose to the top. I think Dostoevsky had a great story about that in his Notes From Underground. People who just start a job get paid way more than people who have been there 20 years. You work your behind off to get an engineering degree and then you end up working for Dilbert's pointy headed boss. Actually, many people who work their tails off are either hated by other employees or taken advantage of by people who will use them. If you don't own your own business, what is the motivation to excel? Mechanization is just making things that much more confusing. None of the experts know what that will bring. This isn't my time, I don't get it, so while I am sad kids are turning to collectivism, I guess it does make a kind of sense.

Might make sense, but they are waltzing right into a collective trap.

 

[beagle9]

Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Your link is over a decade old.
"August 27, 2007 26 min read Download Report"

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2017

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years



1. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent.

Poverty in the 50 years since ‘The Other America,’ in five charts



2. The official poverty rate in 2016 was 12.7 percent, when Hussein left office.
us poverty rate 2016 - Google Search



3. Not a very great change in over half a century....


Let's see how much that few points cost us:

"This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal."
The War on Poverty After 50 Years



4. Interesting, considering that there is no real poverty in this county.

When you write: "there is no real poverty in this country", I can't help wondering if you have ever experienced homelessness?

"While homelessness is certainly not a new phenomenon in the United States or in New York City, where it dates back to at least the colonial era, there is no question that modern homelessness, which began in the late 1970s, is a unique historical occurrence.

"Indeed, one must go back to the Great Depression of the 1930s to find another period in New York history when homelessness was such a routine, persistent, visible feature of urban life, and when it affected such a wide swath of the city’s population."

Why Are So Many People Homeless? - Coalition For The Homeless

The US currently exhibits a greater disparity between its rich and poor citizens than any other developed country on this planet.

A condition that seems to begin worsening about the same time poverty rates began to flat line.

Causation, correlation, or coincidence?

Wealth Inequality - Inequality.org

The only thing you are not listing or getting, is that our government since the 1960's has fostered or worked to create the very crisis we are experiencing today. It began a task over time to try and increase the diversity of populations in order to try and counter white racism that was stubborn and prevalent back then. Problem is for the feds though, is that it went way to far in doing so. It created a baby boom among those who were poor and oppressed as found to be discriminated against in it's thinking, and then it began formulating or customising the welfare programs in order to take care of these populations until a better balance could be achieved or reached.

Now it has become an actual population displacement and wealth redistribution program that is being touted by the Demon-crats as the new American way, and that the republicans are those racist they have tried to replace ever since the 60's.

 

[georgephillip]

Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.” How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America

Your link is over a decade old.
"August 27, 2007 26 min read Download Report"

Income and Poverty in the United States: 2017

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal.

The War on Poverty After 50 Years



1. In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent.

Poverty in the 50 years since ‘The Other America,’ in five charts



2. The official poverty rate in 2016 was 12.7 percent, when Hussein left office.
us poverty rate 2016 - Google Search



3. Not a very great change in over half a century....


Let's see how much that few points cost us:

"This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.”[1]


Since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal."
The War on Poverty After 50 Years



4. Interesting, considering that there is no real poverty in this county.

When you write: "there is no real poverty in this country", I can't help wondering if you have ever experienced homelessness?

"While homelessness is certainly not a new phenomenon in the United States or in New York City, where it dates back to at least the colonial era, there is no question that modern homelessness, which began in the late 1970s, is a unique historical occurrence.

"Indeed, one must go back to the Great Depression of the 1930s to find another period in New York history when homelessness was such a routine, persistent, visible feature of urban life, and when it affected such a wide swath of the city’s population."

Why Are So Many People Homeless? - Coalition For The Homeless

The US currently exhibits a greater disparity between its rich and poor citizens than any other developed country on this planet.

A condition that seems to begin worsening about the same time poverty rates began to flat line.

Causation, correlation, or coincidence?

Wealth Inequality - Inequality.org

The only thing you are not listing or getting, is that our government since the 1960's has fostered or worked to create the very crisis we are experiencing today. It began a task over time to try and increase the diversity of populations in order to try and counter white racism that was stubborn and prevalent back then. Problem is for the feds though, is that it went way to far in doing so. It created a baby boom among those who were poor and oppressed as found to be discriminated against in it's thinking, and then it began formulating or customising the welfare programs in order to take care of these populations until a better balance could be achieved or reached.

Now it has become an actual population displacement and wealth redistribution program that is being touted by the Demon-crats as the new American way, and that the republicans are those racist they have tried to replace ever since the 60's.

In addition to the unintended consequences of welfare and shifting demographics, we have also seen an astronomical spike in consumer debt since the 1970s

https://seekingalpha.com/article/71...-suggests-economy-is-even-worse-than-reported

"A while back I made the case that the U.S. has been in perpetual recession for several years, and the only reason why it hasn't felt like a full-blown depression (for those who managed to hold on their jobs) is because we've been running up massive government and consumer debt."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe America needs to do more to impress the kids.

Really we aren't terrible but not educating the kids as I guess you intend is unacceptable.

The gutter filth who have coopted our schools need to stop lying to children. The Communist indoctrination need to teach legitimate history. Yes, kids SHOULD know who George Washington was. They should know that liberty was worth fighting for. They SHOULD understand why a free market provides more goods and services to more people than any other system known to man.

Really we are worse than terrible. Our schools are insidious. We turn out children who are unable to reason, who have had any and all intellectual curiosity hammered out of them. Those who blindly accept anything the mal-educators tell them with utterly no validation.

The sad thing is that the conservatives THINK that this mess won't come a knocking at there doors, but it is finally over whelming them, and they can't run from it anymore. Time to turn and fight for their values, religion's, and their way of life. It's over (the running), it's over.

Not about racism or being racist against anyone regardless of how the left wants to use that as a destroyer now, but it's instead about standing up for anyone regardless of color if so chooses to have the great values and standards in which most American's have stood for through out the years.

Conservatives???

What, exactly do you have in mind as 'racism'?

If it an action, an act, a behavior that is a crime, there are laws and agencies to deal with it.

If it is a thought, a bias, ....it fall under the rubric of the first amendment......at least for a conservative.

You don't agree?

If you can't comprehend my post, it best not to comment because clearly you can't comprehend my post.

If you'd rather run away from a valid query, that's up to you.

 

[danielpalos]

our Constitution is idiot proof; it could never be made, "wilful blindness" proof.