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is a good guy with a gun"
It turns out Alexis was armed only with a shotgun. He was able to take down those "good guys with guns" in the building to then use their handguns to kill more people.
What will LaPierre and the gun-nutters say now?
But that's the problem. The bad guy is ALWAYS going to have the element of surprise.
It's why we have 11,101 gun murders and only 200 self-defense homicides.
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
Then we need to revise the HIPAA laws.
Apparently you are unfamiliar with a concept known as "the element of surprise..."
True, but technically the guys with the guns are not supposed to allow anyone to surprise them because that is what they are paid to do and why they are given guns in the first place.
That doesn't mean that it can't happen but it should never have been possible for a single person to get the drop on all of them.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
True, but technically the guys with the guns are not supposed to allow anyone to surprise them because that is what they are paid to do and why they are given guns in the first place.
That doesn't mean that it can't happen but it should never have been possible for a single person to get the drop on all of them.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
Yup, that is where training comes in. Cops do it and so do active duty members of the military. Unless we hold armed guards to the same standards the trite statement about a "good guy with a gun" is meaningless. It has to be a "fully trained and alert good guy with a gun" for it to be effective.
But that's the problem. The bad guy is ALWAYS going to have the element of surprise.
It's why we have 11,101 gun murders and only 200 self-defense homicides.
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
True, but technically the guys with the guns are not supposed to allow anyone to surprise them because that is what they are paid to do and why they are given guns in the first place.
That doesn't mean that it can't happen but it should never have been possible for a single person to get the drop on all of them.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
Yup, that is where training comes in. Cops do it and so do active duty members of the military. Unless we hold armed guards to the same standards the trite statement about a "good guy with a gun" is meaningless. It has to be a "fully trained and alert good guy with a gun" for it to be effective.
Apparently you are unfamiliar with a concept known as "the element of surprise..."
True, but technically the guys with the guns are not supposed to allow anyone to surprise them because that is what they are paid to do and why they are given guns in the first place.
That doesn't mean that it can't happen but it should never have been possible for a single person to get the drop on all of them.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
It's been asked over and over, but I'll ask again.
Please present your laws and policies that would have prevented the DC incident.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
Then we need to revise the HIPAA laws.
Agreed, whatever it takes to keep guns out of the hands of whackjobs. No one who is a potential danger to others has a "right to privacy" about firearms in my opinion. Too many innocent people have died because of it. The right to privacy stops when it infringes on the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of others.
but even those very few who honestly do have no idea how badly this society is fucked up and how little chance there is of fixing it.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
Yup, that is where training comes in. Cops do it and so do active duty members of the military. Unless we hold armed guards to the same standards the trite statement about a "good guy with a gun" is meaningless. It has to be a "fully trained and alert good guy with a gun" for it to be effective.
And there will still be failures of the system. Nothing is risk or failure free, despite what people may believe.
The key is to make failure only possible after multiple steps have occured. Maybe someone with a CCW in the building COULD have stopped this asshole before he finished his rampage, but we won't know because people were banned from being armed, and thus dependent on the guard doing his job perfectly.
no you republicans are the most pathetic shameless people ever ...never let a tragedy or dancing on the graves of the dead go to waste, for their hate agenda ON the NRA...
are these the most pathetic shameless people ever?
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
It's been asked over and over, but I'll ask again.
Please present your laws and policies that would have prevented the DC incident.
Here's the typical moronic repub-lie-tardTake guns from the good people, ignore the guns of bad people.
Liberal mantra.
ypu wouldn't know a lie if it was stairing you in the face ...poo poo time for bwackie...such a good useful tool subject for the Democrat party...spread the lies and hate just like their Dear Leader and party does
True, but technically the guys with the guns are not supposed to allow anyone to surprise them because that is what they are paid to do and why they are given guns in the first place.
That doesn't mean that it can't happen but it should never have been possible for a single person to get the drop on all of them.
Most pilots are supposed to be able to land an airplane, sometimes they dont. The problem with security at these places is it becomes pro forma, just another thing you have to do every day, day in, day out. The concept of an actual threat occuring becomes a distant thought. The guard sees his job as basically checking ID's and searching the occasional bag, and looses focus on the fact that someone might actually pull a gun out and do something bad.
Good God, a gun nutter has admitted that the NRA plan of armed guards in schools would be just as ineffective as armed guards at the Naval Yards.
Did you really mean to be that honest?
Probably be better to put the guards in a bullet proof bunker and give em a cell phone to call the police.
Or is it the goal of the NRA and other gun nutters that EVERYONE I America should be carrying a weapon? And I mean everyone. We would be so SAFE. Right nutters?
Still not a reason to deny me the right to own a firearm. Keep trying Joebutthurt.
No one wants to deny you the right to own a firearm. What We the People need to do instead is make sure that whackjobs like Alexis don't have access to guns.
It's been asked over and over, but I'll ask again.
Please present your laws and policies that would have prevented the DC incident.
is a good guy with a gun"
It turns out Alexis was armed only with a shotgun. He was able to take down those "good guys with guns" in the building to then use their handguns to kill more people.
What will LaPierre and the gun-nutters say now?
That can't be right. The shipyard was a gun free zone, as is all of the District of Columbia. A Gun Free Zone. They have signs and everything!
There were armed guards, which he obtained the pistol from. Nice job lying again,..
