The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Picaro]

so? Many people are arguing that Japan had no fight left, they were beat months before we dropped the bomb. Facts tell a different story. Japan fought the USSR until the 20th of August.

Oh, sheesh. Come on. In all but a few places, the Soviets mowed down the depleted, hungry Japanese army like a knife cutting through butter. Only in a few cases did Japanese forces manage to put up stiff resistance to the Soviet onslaught.

This proves they did not surrender because the became afraid that the USSR joined the war.

How do you figure that? Internal Japanese records make it clear that it was the Soviet invasion that finally pushed the hardliners into agreeing to surrender. This has been documented in numerous studies.

Stalin didn't even declare war on Japan until we had already crushed it. All they did was rush to seize as much of it as possible. the bombs also sent a message to Mao and Stalin that we would use them if they sought to push us out.

Truman never should have let the Soviets enter the Pacific War. That was a horrific act of cruelty that cost hundreds of thousands of lives. The Soviets murdered most of the tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers they took prisoner.

A few years later, Truman handed China over to Mao's Communists, who proceeded to murder at least 20 million Chinese people.

In any case, Japan still had millions of soldiers under arms in Asia, so defeating the homeland was imperative.

This is just obscene, inhumane nonsense. The ease with which the Soviets plowed through Japanese forces in Manchuria shows the depleted, pitiful state of the once powerful Japanese Kwantung Army.

Yes, the Japanese had just over 2 million men on the home islands. Yeah, and they had no air cover--none, zilch, zippo. The U.S. Navy was bombarding Japan's coastal cities at will, because the Japanese navy had ceased to function as any kind of a credible fighting force. The U.S. Air Force was bombing Japanese cities at will. The Japanese people were not getting enough food to maintain basic health. Most of those 2 million Japanese troops had no combat experience and were surviving on meager rations. Weeks before Truman decided to vaporize a defenseless city with an atomic bomb, the Japanese had been putting out peace feelers, and we knew all about those feelers and knew that Japan's only ironclad condition was the retention of the emperor.

The Hardliners REFUSED to surrender moron. It took the Emperor to order the surrender and then the Army staged a Coup to stop that.

Yep. These far right nutjobs are why Conservatives and the GOP have trouble winning by more than tiny percentage points; time to purge them from respectable politics as Buckley did with the John Birchers in the 1960's.

If one hates FDR, that's fine, hate him for real reasons; it doesn't mean everybody else has to pretend this sort of ludicrous bullshit is a valid propaganda gimmick. It isn't, it's just infantile stupidity, no different than the fake news the left destroyed it's credibility with re Trump.

 

[Unkotare]

It’s easy for someone to play revisionist historian, especially if they don’t have any skin in the game. If Japan or Germany had the bomb they would have used it relentlessly. Japan waited, did not respond, for the war ministry’s position was until the last man, women, child, fall the war would not end and most importantly had ultimate control. The slaughter on both sides would have been beyond comprehension, far in excess of the lives lost resulting from the two bombs. My gut feeling is that The entire east would today be under communist control and their purges alone would have made the bombs child’s play.

Another one hiding behind “no choice!” to avoid the central moral issue.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It’s easy for someone to play revisionist historian, especially if they don’t have any skin in the game. If Japan or Germany had the bomb they would have used it relentlessly. Japan waited, did not respond, for the war ministry’s position was until the last man, women, child, fall the war would not end and most importantly had ultimate control. The slaughter on both sides would have been beyond comprehension, far in excess of the lives lost resulting from the two bombs. My gut feeling is that The entire east would today be under communist control and their purges alone would have made the bombs child’s play.

Another one hiding behind “no choice!” to avoid the central moral issue.

You wanna compare Morals? Then you need to know the morals at the time the attacks took place. Not 75 years later.

 

[Unkotare]

General Homma, for example, was very pro-American and exerted great efforts to ensure that Japanese rule in the Philippines was moderate and tolerant, but he was eventually overruled by hardliners above him. And General Homma was horrified when he heard the accounts of Japanese cruelty during the Bataan Death March at his trial. Given the structure of Japanese army command and operations, it is not at all surprising that he was unaware of the incidents of cruelty when they occurred. His HQ was hundreds of yards from any point of the march, and for long stretches of the march there were no acts of cruelty--in fact, at some halt points, Japanese soldiers gave the prisoners food and water and let them rest briefly.

They were horrified? It was samurai culture and traditions they practiced, that was the horror. ....

Stop watching so many cartoons.

 

[Unkotare]

It’s easy for someone to play revisionist historian, especially if they don’t have any skin in the game. If Japan or Germany had the bomb they would have used it relentlessly. Japan waited, did not respond, for the war ministry’s position was until the last man, women, child, fall the war would not end and most importantly had ultimate control. The slaughter on both sides would have been beyond comprehension, far in excess of the lives lost resulting from the two bombs. My gut feeling is that The entire east would today be under communist control and their purges alone would have made the bombs child’s play.

Another one hiding behind “no choice!” to avoid the central moral issue.

You wanna compare Morals? Then you need to know the morals at the time the attacks took place. Not 75 years later.

Many US military leaders of that time knew what was morally wrong. Too bad you’re not half the man they were.

 

[elektra]

Again yu have never presented a single official document EVER.

First off, he has presented you with documented statements by senior American military leaders that using the atomic bomb was unnecessary and wrong.

Second, **so what** if you have "official government documents"??? Government documents are often inaccurate and incomplete, and sometimes they're misleading and even fraudulent.

I see a glaring error in your understanding.

First you claim that statements from senior military officials are relevant.

Second, you contradict your first statement,

Government documents are often inaccurate and incomplete, and sometimes they're misleading and even fraudulent./QUOTE]

Are the senior American leaders who made accurate statements not the same people you also claim made misleading and fraudulent documents.

The answer is yes. You have destroyed the credibility of the senior american military leaders.

By your own words, senior American military leaders were making false, misleading, fraudulent, statements.



I would love to see you dig yourself out of that. You just destroyed the premise of your OP.

 

[elektra]

Stop watching so many cartoons.

Learning the definition of your user name leads me to believe the credibility of those who wrote about the japanese.

They were pretty sick.

 

[Unkotare]

Stop watching so many cartoons.

Learning the definition of your user name ...

Which you haven’t.

 

[HenryBHough]

Do you really think that was a possible outcome of WWII? Are you really that ignorant and foolish?

Beware of mirrors.

They may cause you to soil yourself.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you really think that was a possible outcome of WWII? Are you really that ignorant and foolish?

Beware of mirrors.

They may cause you to soil yourself.

Do you really think that Japan (or Germany for that matter) occupying, holding and completely overthrowing all of the United States and somehow forcing all Americans to speak Japanese was in any way a possible outcome of the war? Stop emoting and think for a minute.

 

[M14 Shooter]

 

[Picaro]

It’s easy for someone to play revisionist historian, especially if they don’t have any skin in the game. If Japan or Germany had the bomb they would have used it relentlessly. Japan waited, did not respond, for the war ministry’s position was until the last man, women, child, fall the war would not end and most importantly had ultimate control. The slaughter on both sides would have been beyond comprehension, far in excess of the lives lost resulting from the two bombs. My gut feeling is that The entire east would today be under communist control and their purges alone would have made the bombs child’s play.

Another one hiding behind “no choice!” to avoid the central moral issue.

lol at this deviant troll claiming some higher moral authority.

 

[HenryBHough]

Do you really think that Japan (or Germany for that matter) occupying, holding and completely overthrowing all of the United States and somehow forcing all Americans to speak Japanese was in any way a possible outcome of the war? Stop emoting and think for a minute.

Hey, it's you liberal shits who want authoritarian government so why would you not have been much happier to live under a Jap emperor? Please refrain from projecting your own demented desires onto others.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you really think that Japan (or Germany for that matter) occupying, holding and completely overthrowing all of the United States and somehow forcing all Americans to speak Japanese was in any way a possible outcome of the war? Stop emoting and think for a minute.

Hey, it's you liberal .......

Who liberal? To whom are you addressing this comment?

 

[HenryBHough]

Who liberal? To whom are you addressing this comment?

Your reading comprehension issue grows daily. Is it something in the water?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Do you really think that Japan (or Germany for that matter) occupying, holding and completely overthrowing all of the United States and somehow forcing all Americans to speak Japanese was in any way a possible outcome of the war? Stop emoting and think for a minute.

Hey, it's you liberal .......

Who liberal? To whom are you addressing this comment?

Well you ARE a liar, you have yet to EVER link to an official source for your claims.

 

[elektra]

Which you haven’t.

No, I have, but, the meaning translated, is pretty bad. It is the Japanese culture. I realized how perverted they were a long time ago. Way before I learned how sadistic the japanese soldiers were in WWII. Simply things, like Ivory carved into a very explicit non-missionary sexual scene. The eating of Rhino tusks and nuts, to make one viral. All that abnormal behavior. It just made me realize that a part of that culture is very much sadistic sexual perverted. And that is not a judgement or opinion. Just on observation of their behavior, art, customs, tradition, and culture.

 

[elektra]

First off, he has presented you with documented statements by senior American military leaders that using the atomic bomb was unnecessary and wrong.

Second, **so what** if you have "official government documents"??? Government documents are often inaccurate and incomplete, and sometimes they're misleading and even fraudulent.

You contradict yourself and thus discredit your post, your opinion, the premise of this OP.

You can not claim "senior american military leader" made statements that are documented that indicate the Atomic bombing of Japan was unnecessary and wrong, and then state, "Government documents are often inaccurate and incomplete and sometimes they're misleading and even fraudulent."

You have thus stated, that at one point, American Military Leaders were misleading and fraudulent? The source is thus discredited. You can not cherry pick and have it both ways, they are to be trusted here, but there they were lying scoundrels.

You have discredited the premise of your OP with your own words. Thank you. Nothing more need be said, by you.

 

[anynameyouwish]

We had a bomb
Nobody else did

There was no reason to invade
Was two bombs on densely populated civilian cities the only option to get them to realize the war was lost?

what do you not understand?
...do you people know we ''ran out of targets and low on conventional bombs'' BEFORE the A-bombs
we destroyed all of their major cities
and they were NOT surrendering
there--in big black letters

also---Germany was NOT surrendering UNTIL the Russians took over the Reichstag
they were NOT surrendering

please--all of you Great Politicians/ MILITARY leaders---please tell me what you would done??????!!!!!

nuked an army or a navy....

heck....both.

if bombing 2 cities forced them to surrender then i'm sure losing an army and a navy would have been even more of an eye opener.....


now you see em....

now ya don't!


now...calm down and just admit that you are a murderous psychopath who enjoys killing innocent people.....

hahhahahah
you PROVE you are ignorant on the subject
their navy was at the bottom of the ocean

if they had no forces left to fight with then there was no reason to nuke those cities.

other than your desire to kill innocent people, of course.

MORE proof you are ignorant on the subject
not only did they have troops left--but the civilians would die fighting for their country

"not only did they have troops left--but the civilians would die fighting for their country"


you sure are real smart about WWII

for an idiot.....

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because conservatives love killing people...


ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

 

[elektra]

General Homma, for example, was very pro-American and exerted great efforts to ensure that Japanese rule in the Philippines was moderate and tolerant, but he was eventually overruled by hardliners above him. And General Homma was horrified when he heard the accounts of Japanese cruelty during the Bataan Death March at his trial.

If, as you claim, General Homma new nothing of the horror, why do you state he went to great efforts to make sure Japanese rule was moderant and tolerant.

According to mr mikegriffith1, Japanese rule was always good everywhere, so why did this one General have to go to great lengths to correct the horror that did not exist and that he never learned of?

Again you contradict yourself, again you prove your opinion is not based on fact. This is the 2nd gross error I am pointing out.

You have failed at supporting your opinion and the premise of your OP.