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Which he only did AFTER Russia invaded.Simply not true the Government of Japan REFUSED to surrender after 2 atomic bombs and Soviet entry. It took the Emperor to override the Government and surrender and THEN the Army staged a Coup to stop that.
Simply NOT supported by the FACTS. We were going to invade in November which would have seen hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and probably several million Japanese.Which he only did AFTER Russia invaded.
That was the final straw. We could have just waited for that invasion....but Truman wanted to send a message to stalin.
The bombs were not forJapan .....they were for russia
We knew the date of the Russian invasion. Stalin told everyoneSimply NOT supported by the FACTS. We were going to invade in November which would have seen hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and probably several million Japanese.
no, and we have proof, the first bomb
we know they did not surrender after one but did after two
would you happen to have the answers to my questions? [as an honest answer would alleviate your confusion]...
seeing that your above response is obviously just an attempt to run from the actual questions I asked and instead answer the question you wish I had asked
The Japanese Government run by the Army did NOT surrender after the Soviets invaded nor after 2 atomic bombs. And when the Emperor forced the Issue the Army staged a coup to prevent the surrender. So much for all the claims Japan was on the verge of surrender and tried before Aug 10.We knew the date of the Russian invasion. Stalin told everyone
Japan did not surrender until after the Russian invasion.
We could have simply waited for that to happen
In July 1945, once we had a bomb, there was no longer a need to invadeSimply NOT supported by the FACTS. We were going to invade in November which would have seen hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and probably several million Japanese.
They only wanted one term....no war crimes for the imperial family.Three days s not much proof
Dropping a bomb and then offering terms would be proof
Three days s not much proof
Dropping a bomb and then offering terms would be proof
Not true if the Emperor had not surrendered his Government intended to fight to the bitter end.In July 1945, once we had a bomb, there was no longer a need to invade
What is it you are missing? Only the emperor could surrenderThe Japanese Government run by the Army did NOT surrender after the Soviets invaded nor after 2 atomic bombs. And when the Emperor forced the Issue the Army staged a coup to prevent the surrender. So much for all the claims Japan was on the verge of surrender and tried before Aug 10.
what if we just them sent them a film of a nuke going off?Drop one in a low populated or strictly military area and let the Japanese evaluate the results. Then tell them we have dozens just like it and would target Tokyo next
Yet he did surrender. It was always only up to himNot true if the Emperor had not surrendered his Government intended to fight to the bitter end.
Simply NOT true you keep spouting that like it means something, even after he agreed to surrender his Army staged a Coup to stop him. Further we know from seized documents that the Japanese planned to offer to side with the Soviets if Stalin would convince the US to a ceasefire.What is it you are missing? Only the emperor could surrender
It was not up to the army or the government
We should have nuked Tokyo as well.Whatever labored, embarrassing arguments one can make for the nuking of Hiroshima cannot be made for the nuking of Nagasaki just three days later. From my article "Did We Really Need to Use the Atomic Bomb Against Japan?":
On August 9, 1945, just three days after we nuked Hiroshima, and before Japan’s leaders had sufficient time to process and respond to our nuclear attack on Hiroshima, we dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Nagasaki, which was home to Japan’s largest Christian population. The atomic bombing of Nagasaki was even more inexcusable than the nuking of Hiroshima. . . .On August 9, we nuked Nagasaki, just three days after Hiroshima, and hours after the Soviets began to maul the Japanese army in Manchuria,, and while Japan’s civilian leaders were understandably absorbed with trying to process what had happened to Hiroshima and with responding to the Soviet attack in Manchuria. Surely Truman and other high officials knew that three days was not enough time for Japan’s government to formulate a formal response to the unprecedented use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and to the Soviet invasion in Manchuria. Even McGeorge Bundy, who helped Henry Stimson write his defense of the atomic bombing of Japan, acknowledged that Truman was too quick to nuke Nagasaki:
"It is hard to see that much could have been lost if there had been more time between the two bombs. . . . Such a delay would have been relatively easy, and I think right." (https://miketgriffith.com/files/immoraluse.pdf)The Japanese were not even able to get a scientific team to Hiroshima until August 7, the day after the attack. Meanwhile, Japan's leaders were getting conflicting, fragmentary information about what had happened in Hiroshima. Some Army officials were telling the government that the bombing of Hiroshima was merely a very large conventional bombing raid, and they were suppressing information about the kinds of wounds that had been inflicted. There was no Internet back then, no fax machines, no Skype.
Surely it was obscene for us to nuke Nagasaki just three days, 72 hours, after we had nuked Hiroshima.
Yes they staged a unsuccessful coup. So what? It was limited to a few junior officers and quickly put down.Simply NOT true you keep spouting that like it means something, even after he agreed to surrender his Army staged a Coup to stop him. Further we know from seized documents that the Japanese planned to offer to side with the Soviets if Stalin would convince the US to a ceasefire.
Japan had our claim that it was an atomic bomb (broadcast to the entire world) immediately after Hiroshima.Three days s not much proof
We already gave them terms before the atomic bombs were dropped. That's what the Potsdam Proclamation was.Dropping a bomb and then offering terms would be proof
Had Japan kept refusing to surrender, we were going to invade.In July 1945, once we had a bomb, there was no longer a need to invade
You are referring to the whining from Ike and Leahy and the like?So I did post facts then....correct?
Truman knew the date that the Soviets were supposed to invade, but Stalin didn't rush to meet the promised date until he found out that the atomic bombs were a success.Truman knew the exact date of that invasion
Just the opposite. It was Stalin who rushed to try to beat the atomic bomb. He'd been planning on invading one week later than he originally promised.and rushed to get the bomb dropped.
Why would we have done that? We had no idea what it would take to make Japan surrender. Letting up the pressure on them would hardly have helped.We could have just waited for that invasion....
No. Truman wanted to send a message to Japan.but Truman wanted to send a message to stalin.
Completely untrue. The bombs were for Japan, who was still refusing to surrender when they were dropped.The bombs were not forJapan .....they were for russia
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.Japan did not surrender until after the Russian invasion.
We could have simply waited for that to happen
That is incorrect. Japan only wanted one term on August 10.They only wanted one term....no war crimes for the imperial family.
We did not. We told them that Hirohito would be subordinate to MacArthur.And we gave them that anyway.
Never!We should have just offered it to them
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Please quote him, award winning troll.He said exactly that
Do you think Pearl Harbor was a mostly peaceful protest?In July 1945, once we had a bomb, there was no longer a need to invade
Neither was the bombing of TokyoDo you think Pearl Harbor was a mostly peaceful protest?
