The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Sunshine]

I don't know about that as I have found conservatives in general are good at concrete, abstract, objective, and subjective thinking; however it is well known that many conservatives are also Christians so maybe Sunday school does have a bearing on it. However, I know many Christians who are passionate liberals and, though they grew up in Sunday School, still don't do well with abstract analysis and won't consider anything concrete or objective apart from how they feel about it including what is and is not politiically correct.

Example: We aren't supposed to consider any downside or long term ramifications to illegal immigration but a true Christian attitude is to understand that the people coming across the border are simply wanting a better life for themselves and their families and they are God's children too and we should accept and love them and make room for them. Discussion of the downside for the illegals is not acceptable and must be shouted down, yadda yadda.

I know many conservatives, however, who are agnostic or Atheist and didn't grow up in Bible class who are able to avoid the fuzzy feeling syndrone and see the whole big picture. For that reason I don't know if we can give Bible stories the credit. (But then I think I can reason abstract principles, lol.)

Anyhow, extrapolating that to this incredible Zimmerman trial, we should have known what was coming when the initial leftist media reports defined Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic." Have you EVER seen such a designation used on anybody before? Ever? That told you from the get go that he would be branded guilty and Trayvon Martin as the innocent victim of racism. There didn't have to be a shred of proof about that. In the liberal world that is the scenario that 'feels' right and therefore it must be made true.

LOL. That really is NOT well known. We are talking about my field of practice. I saw it 5 days a week for 25 years, and have a master's in it. Testing abstract thinking serves many purposes. Whether the person is liberal or conservative is not one of them. One of the most arcane signs of a traumatic brain injury is lack of ability to abstract. The article below addresses students, but I saw a lot of it in veterans who had returned from war who didn't show any sign of TBI except this. But upon further testing they were found to have a TBI.

It is often said that individuals with TBI have difficulty with abstract levels of thinking. Frontal lobe injury is typically identified as the source of this difficulty. In students with brain injury, impaired abstract thinking is frequently associated with reduced foresight, judgment, insight, reasoning, creativity, problem solving, and mental flexibility.

Tutorial: Concrete vs. Abstract Thinking

I, however, was not speaking of people with traumatic or other brain injury. I was speaking about all of us in the normal everyday world. Deviance or other abnormalities are not at issue there. So speaking abstractly, it is wise not to attempt to compare the phenomena we see in perspective and rationale among liberals and conservatives with those who are abnormally impaired in some way.

I don't claim any expertise in the medical implications except in the area of addictions. But I do have a small measure of expertise in evaluating temperament and perspective in the normal world. I am an ENT/FJ by the way.

I think your statistics are flawed due to your sample size, cross section, and your not considering your own bias as a significant variable in your research. The test for temperament is the MMPI because temperament consists of aspects of personality. Abstract thinking CAN be learned, it is learned, and it is be learned by some relatively low intelligence people.

 

[Sarah G]

Awww, the cray, crays are attempting humor. Calling me a dummy? The irony.

Did liability make any deals with Zona to leave the board if Georgie is convicted? I'll care a lot more about the outcome if that's the case..

 

[Snookie]

Prosecution evidence.

This, Courtesy of MSNBC, Is Trayvon Martin's Dead Body. Get Angry.

As moronic as it was to decide to publicize the dead victim lying there dead, the article you cited to is even worse.

The author is such a clusterfuck of imbecility that he still thinks TM died because GZ did anything wrong. He finds fault with Florida for letting GZ have a gun.

He is as stupid as you and Sarah combined.

Ok. That's an exaggeration.

But he is still AS stupid as either one of you.

Puerile ^

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I can't understand why they haven't allowed George to scream for help during the case to match the voice, just like when Johnny Cockroach wanted OJ to try the gloves on to prove they didn't fit.

That's a great idea, and I'd love to see that.

In the OJ trial trying on the gloves wasn't testimony.

Since a scream is considered part of speech, if they had GZ scream, he would then have to fully testify.

 

[PredFan]

It's raining pretty hard right now in Orlando/Sanford Florida. The two people protesting in Sanford are probably going to leave.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Let me see.......

Martin lands initial punch and busts Zimmerman's nose and causes the cut on the nose.

Then he "rains down" punches MMA style and causes no further facial damage?

Interesting.

So when you're shown wrong by evidence you go to conjecture.

Interesting.

 

[LoneLaugher]

He did not see a fist hit a face. That means he was not certain that any punches we thrown or landed. I told you I hear the whole thing and the impression left was that he was unsure if punches were landed.

So your argument is Martin was observed on top raining down punches but the witness couldn't see where the punches landed ?

No. It is that Martin was on top and they were wrestling. I think if he was punching Zimmerman MMA style with no gloves, Zimmerman would have been fucked up worse than he was. That is my argument.

 

[OODA_Loop]

He did not see a fist hit a face. That means he was not certain that any punches we thrown or landed. I told you I hear the whole thing and the impression left was that he was unsure if punches were landed.

So your argument is Martin was observed on top raining down punches but the witness couldn't see where the punches landed ?

No. It is that Martin was on top and they were wrestling. I think if he was punching Zimmerman MMA style with no gloves, Zimmerman would have been fucked up worse than he was. That is my argument.

I think...IF....would have.

Conjecture.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Let me see.......

Martin lands initial punch and busts Zimmerman's nose and causes the cut on the nose.

Then he "rains down" punches MMA style and causes no further facial damage?

Interesting.

So when you're shown wrong by evidence you go to conjecture.

Interesting.

I have not been shown wrong by evidence.

 

[Sarah G]

Prosecution evidence.

This, Courtesy of MSNBC, Is Trayvon Martin's Dead Body. Get Angry.

As moronic as it was to decide to publicize the dead victim lying there dead, the article you cited to is even worse.

The author is such a clusterfuck of imbecility that he still thinks TM died because GZ did anything wrong. He finds fault with Florida for letting GZ have a gun.

He is as stupid as you and Sarah combined.

Ok. That's an exaggeration.

But he is still AS stupid as either one of you.

Puerile ^

He and Sunshine are both depressed. They sit around all day in the house being abusive to people on a message board.

 

[Snookie]

LOL. That really is NOT well known. We are talking about my field of practice. I saw it 5 days a week for 25 years, and have a master's in it. Testing abstract thinking serves many purposes. Whether the person is liberal or conservative is not one of them. One of the most arcane signs of a traumatic brain injury is lack of ability to abstract. The article below addresses students, but I saw a lot of it in veterans who had returned from war who didn't show any sign of TBI except this. But upon further testing they were found to have a TBI.



Tutorial: Concrete vs. Abstract Thinking

I, however, was not speaking of people with traumatic or other brain injury. I was speaking about all of us in the normal everyday world. Deviance or other abnormalities are not at issue there. So speaking abstractly, it is wise not to attempt to compare the phenomena we see in perspective and rationale among liberals and conservatives with those who are abnormally impaired in some way.

I don't claim any expertise in the medical implications except in the area of addictions. But I do have a small measure of expertise in evaluating temperament and perspective in the normal world. I am an ENT/FJ by the way.

I think your statistics are flawed due to your sample size, cross section, and your not considering your own bias as a significant variable in your research. The test for temperament is the MMPI because temperament consists of aspects of personality. Abstract thinking CAN be learned, it is learned, and it is be learned by some relatively low intelligence people.

People once believed that Dick Tracy's wrist radio was abstract thing as well as people who thought the world was round were burned at the stake.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You cannot prove that Martin ever punched Zimmerman not even a single time.

 

[wavingrl]

It's raining pretty hard right now in Orlando/Sanford Florida. The two people protesting in Sanford are probably going to leave.

I'll bet the humidity is suffocating.

What would it take to get me out for a cause--a lot.

I have always wondered how military people and firefighters, LE can brave the elements in heavy uniforms and gear--extreme physical fitness I suppose.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Let me see.......

Martin lands initial punch and busts Zimmerman's nose and causes the cut on the nose.

Then he "rains down" punches MMA style and causes no further facial damage?

Interesting.

So when you're shown wrong by evidence you go to conjecture.

Interesting.

I have not been shown wrong by evidence.

Of course you have.

You said Goode equivocated he saw punches.

The transcript showed he jut couldn't tell where the punches landed.

So then you switched to conjecture about how Zim shoulda, woulda, coulda.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

YOU can't prove he started a fight, you can't prove there was even a contested fight, and you can shoot a guy you were following if he commits an act that puts you in fear for your life. If Martin was doing the following he would have been within his rights as a private citizen to do so.

Have you ever stopped to consider that Zimmerman actually planned a confrontation that wouldn't have any witnesses to counter his version of events? Zimmerman could actually be some kind of a sicko thrill killer who planned something like this out for weeks and was waiting for just the right time of they year (winter) and the right weather conditions (it was raining) to minimize the possibility that anyone else would be outside to act as witnesses. Then he could make up any story he pleased.

That could very well be possible, but everybody in this country has the right to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That right is truly for everyone, not just people we like. Neither you or I or anyone knows what happened that night. To claim otherwise is insane. All I've ever claimed is what my view of the evidence is. I have no problem if anyone sees it differently than me, but I don't like it when assumptions are made or fabrications of the evidence are presented because they just don't like somebody. Moral and Legal are two different things.

He said consider it. Considering is not claiming in any fashion.

 

[OODA_Loop]

bullshit. Just because you are knocked on your ass, that does not mean you are knocked out.

Lose control of protecting your head after being punched and going down = nighty nighty

 

[wavingrl]

Corey's decision to lodge charges.

A massive and very egregious error.

All the rest flow from her initial imbecile "decision."

political pressure--still surprised that the POTUS said what he said.

It's known as free speech.

agreed. I didn't 'hate' him for saying what he said.

I just don't have the time or energy. Look at all that is going on across the globe. There are others more deserving of my hatred.

He is the POTUS. I don't enjoy conspiracy --I can only deal with so much harsh reality. Russia, China, Iran--plenty of sleepless nights when I try to imagine how precarious life as we know it may be.

Well do I know that I must manage stress.

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best not to get into all of that.

for me.

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OT/Oprah lands Lindsay Lohan interview

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/12/lindsay-lohan-oprah/

I haven't heard a recent update on her. Entered Betty Ford.

No fashion mishaps lately.

either Lindsay Lohan or the weather--we are down to that.

 

[PredFan]

You cannot prove that Martin ever punched Zimmerman not even a single time.

Don't have to. GZ said he did and the State has to prove he didn't, dumbass.

 

[Gadawg73]

Slaves were freed 160 years ago.
Stay on the subject, a criminal trial where a man is presumed innocent.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You cannot prove that Martin ever punched Zimmerman not even a single time.

Don't have to. GZ said he did and the State has to prove he didn't, dumbass.

Yes, Sherlock. I know. But we are not in a courtroom here. We are having a discussion. Claims are being made by your buds. I am disputing those claims.

Catch up.