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Here's part of the disaster that constituted the Prosecution's case...
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So now with the Zimmerman verdict, it is legal to kill someone in any fight outside your home? There are lots of fights and could be more if this is the mentality. Now you can choke someone to death and keep punching them until they're surely dead. Just as long as you have a broken nose, a few scratches or light injuries.
What part of the concept that someone doesn't have the right to commit assault and battery on another person, don't you get? If you do commit assault and battery...you're breaking the law. If you do...the person you're attacking is within their rights to use deadly force if they believe that they are in danger of great bodily harm or death.
Trayvon sucker punched Zimmerman. Then he climbed on top of him while Zimmerman was on the ground and continued to attack him. That isn't someone who's thrown a single punch to register their displeasure...that's someone who appears intent on causing serious harm to the man they are sitting on. This is one of the most clear cut cases of self defense I've ever seen actually. There is a reason why Angela Corey didn't take it to a Grand Jury and that reason is that the Grand Jury most likely wouldn't have found enough evidence of a crime being committed to take it to trial. That's how BAD this Prosecution's case WAS!
The fighting injuries on both sides could be consistent with just about any old fight, and we don't know for a fact who started the fight. We never will.
Are you saying it's ok to get in a fight and allow a few light injuries knowing all along that you were going to kill the person you're fighting with? Because you had a gun or because you know you really have the superior fighting ability and aren't going to stop, when you got the person down on the cement and will just keep punching, not stopping when the person is losing consciousness?
"...I just gave you some of the reasons."
When they notice and/or observe some creepy man following them?
Obviously they shouldn't exist, because no matter what, ***** like Zimmerman will insist on murdering them.
Zimmerman may have kept his blows less than full-strength, knowing he had the gun.
Sanford police. City of Sanford. Perhaps GZ."...I just gave you some of the reasons."
A quick clarification... who is likely to be the target of the civil suit?
Zimmerman may have kept his blows less than full-strength, knowing he had the gun.
That is one of the stupidest things I've yet heard on here, Quick! Seriously...get a grip. The two men had a confrontation and Martin suckered Zimmerman in the face. It happens thousands of times every night all around the world. The next thing you'll be telling us is that Zimmerman hit Martin in the fist with his face to make it LOOK like Martin attacked him.
In June 2012, Alan Dershowitz, a well-known defense attorney who has been a professor at Harvard Law School for nearly half a century, criticized Corey for her affidavit in the Zimmerman case. Making use of a quirk of Florida law that gives prosecutors, for any case except first-degree murder, the option of filing an affidavit with the judge instead of going to a grand jury, Corey filed an affidavit that, according to Dershowitz, willfully and deliberately omitted crucial exculpatory evidence: namely, that Trayvon Martin was beating George Zimmerman bloody at the time of the fatal gunshot. So Corey avoided a grand jury, where her case likely would not have held water, and then withheld evidence in her affidavit to the judge. It was a perjurious affidavit, Dershowitz tells me, and that comes with serious consequences: Submitting a false affidavit is grounds for disbarment.
Harvard Law Schools deans office received a phone call. When the dean refused to pick up, Angela Corey spent a half hour demanding of an office-of-communications employee that Dershowitz be fired. According to Dershowitz, Corey threatened to sue Harvard, to try to get him disbarred, and also to sue him for slander and libel. Corey also told the communications employee that she had assigned a state investigator an employee of the State of Florida, that is to investigate Dershowitz. Thats an abuse of office right there, Dershowitz says.
What happened in the weeks and months that followed was instructive. Dershowitz says that he was flooded with correspondence from people telling him that this is Coreys well-known M.O. He says numerous sources lawyers who had sparred with Corey in the courtroom, lawyers who had worked with and for her, and even multiple judges informed him that Corey has a history of vigorously attacking any and all who criticize her. But its worse than that: Correspondents told him that Corey has a history of overcharging and withholding evidence.
The Zimmerman trial is a clear case of the former and a probable case of the latter. Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, also known as depraved mind murder. The case law for that charge, an attorney who has worked in criminal prosecution outside Florida tells me, is near-unanimous: It almost never applies to one-on-one encounters. Second-degree murder is the madman who fires indiscriminately into a crowd or unlocks the lions cage at the zoo. Nothing in the facts of this case approaches that. Which Angela Corey, a veteran prosecutor, should have known, and a grand jury would have told her. In fact, both the initial police investigation and the original state attorney in charge of the case had determined exactly that: There was no evidence of any crime, much less second-degree murder
Still, by the end of the case it was clear that the jury was unlikely to convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder; hence the prosecutions addition of a manslaughter charge as well as its attempt to add a charge for third-degree murder by way of child abuse after the trial had closed. In 50 years of practice Ive never seen anything like it, says Dershowitz. Its a permissible maneuver, but as a matter of professional ethics its a low blow.
Coreys post-trial performance has been less than admirable as well. Asked in a prime-time interview with HLN how she would describe George Zimmerman, Corey responded, Murderer. Attorneys who spoke with me called her refusal to acknowledge the validity of the jurys verdict everything from disgusting to disgraceful.
But will Corey ever be disciplined for prosecutorial abuses? Its unlikely. State attorneys cannot be brought before the bar while they remain in office. Complaints can be filed against Corey, but they will be deferred until she is no longer state attorney. The governor can remove her from office, but otherwise her position and her license are safe.
Meanwhile, those who speak out against her continue to be mistreated. Ben Kruidbos (pronounced CRIED-boss), the IT director at Coreys state-attorney office, was fired last week one month after testifying during the Zimmerman trial that Corey had withheld from defense attorneys evidence obtained from Trayvon Martins cell phone. Coreys office contends that Kruidbos was fired for poor job performance and for leaking personnel records. The termination notice delivered to Kruidbos last Friday read: You have proven to be completely untrustworthy. Because of your deliberate, wilful and unscrupulous actions, you can never again be trusted to step foot in this office. Less than two months before this letter, Kruidbos had received a raise for meritorious performance.
What part of the concept that someone doesn't have the right to commit assault and battery on another person, don't you get? If you do commit assault and battery...you're breaking the law. If you do...the person you're attacking is within their rights to use deadly force if they believe that they are in danger of great bodily harm or death.
Trayvon sucker punched Zimmerman. Then he climbed on top of him while Zimmerman was on the ground and continued to attack him. That isn't someone who's thrown a single punch to register their displeasure...that's someone who appears intent on causing serious harm to the man they are sitting on. This is one of the most clear cut cases of self defense I've ever seen actually. There is a reason why Angela Corey didn't take it to a Grand Jury and that reason is that the Grand Jury most likely wouldn't have found enough evidence of a crime being committed to take it to trial. That's how BAD this Prosecution's case WAS!
The fighting injuries on both sides could be consistent with just about any old fight, and we don't know for a fact who started the fight. We never will.
Are you saying it's ok to get in a fight and allow a few light injuries knowing all along that you were going to kill the person you're fighting with? Because you had a gun or because you know you really have the superior fighting ability and aren't going to stop, when you got the person down on the cement and will just keep punching, not stopping when the person is losing consciousness?
You've never been in a real fight, have you, Quick? That shot Zimmerman took to the nose would have been seriously painful. Are you now making the claim that Zimmerman "allowed" Martin to sucker punch him and slam his head on the cement so that he had an excuse to pull his gun and kill the teenager? Is that REALLY the story you want to go with?
Common sense tells you who started the fight. It's the guy without any injuries EXCEPT for the gunshot. If you'd been in some fights you'd know how that works.
When they notice and/or observe some creepy man following them?
Obviously they shouldn't exist, because no matter what, ***** like Zimmerman will insist on murdering them.
Don't worry, Noomi, I have a feeling Zimmerman is going to get what's coming to him. Call it Karma, call it justice, call it whatever you want to call it. He's going to get his.
Sanford police. City of Sanford..."...I just gave you some of the reasons."
A quick clarification... who is likely to be the target of the civil suit?
"...Perhaps GZ..."
Angela Corey should go to jail for withholding exculpatory evidence.
Man you guys are like scorpions.
Didn't you see her after the verdict was read?
She was happy.
That's the outcome she wanted. She's a conservative republican, and she wanted Zimmerman cut loose.
How about not act like a thug or an animal, for one.
Trayvon wasn't acting like a thug when he was walking home, was he?
You know what I find appalling? That so many people are so callous about a kid getting shot to death because he didn't know exactly the right way to handle a situation. He was a kid, barely turned 17.
But he was a black kid, wasn't he? And I know without a doubt that's why so many of you just don't give a fuck about what happened to him.
You've profiled him in your minds just as Zimmerman profiled him on the streets that night. It MUST have been his fault. Those kind, they always cause trouble.
Let me ask you how your parents would have reacted to your being suspended for the third time? Would you have been let out of the house to wander about the neighborhood? That NEVER would have happened in my home. I would have been SO grounded. No friends, no phone, no TV, no LIFE!!! So what did the Martin parents do with Trayvon? He was still smoking pot. He was out of the house by himself at night. Still yakking non stop on his phone. What was the price that Trayvon was paying for his transgressions. That he wasn't in school? He already had been suspended once for skipping school so much. So not having to go is punishment to a kid that doesn't want to be there? Come on...that's not parenting.
Shitty parents = shitty kids
This is a good interview that asks the question why there isn't a requirement to retreat in these fights.
Hardball with Chris Matthews
We're supposed to use "common sense" to figure out who started the fight?
Angela Corey should go to jail for withholding exculpatory evidence.
Man you guys are like scorpions.
Didn't you see her after the verdict was read?
She was happy.
That's the outcome she wanted. She's a conservative republican, and she wanted Zimmerman cut loose.
^ Angela Corey torpedoed the case.
