The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Synthaholic]

"...But the civil trial, now, that's gonna be a huge win for Trayvon's parents. And GZ will be forced to testify."

Do you really think so?

If (1) the guy was acquitted of Murder charges and (2) the jury refused to consider Manslaughter and (3) the FBI Report says that he did not commit a race-related hate-crime, then...

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the possible basis for such a civil suit...

Florida law specifically prevents a civil suit when self defense is the cause of the death. There will be no civil case.

You're a dumbass.

 

[Kondor3]

Stand your ground laws are horrible, idiotic RW gibberish, and only super hater dupe racists believe Martin was a vicious thug. Keep it up, ie scaring off 90% of the country

But Zimmerman's peeps did not USE (invoke) Florida's stand-your-ground laws as part of their legal defense, did they? Or did I miss something?

 

[skookerasbil]

Stand your ground laws are horrible, idiotic RW gibberish, and only super hater dupe racists believe Martin was a vicious thug. Keep it up, ie scaring off 90% of the country

WTF? is it with blacks and far left assholes???? They ALWAYS support the black guy no matter what the facts are.


gay


but..........

 

[skookerasbil]

Do you really think so?

If (1) the guy was acquitted of Murder charges and (2) the jury refused to consider Manslaughter and (3) the FBI Report says that he did not commit a race-related hate-crime, then...

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the possible basis for such a civil suit...

Florida law specifically prevents a civil suit when self defense is the cause of the death. There will be no civil case.

You're a dumbass.

 

[Geaux4it]

"...But the civil trial, now, that's gonna be a huge win for Trayvon's parents. And GZ will be forced to testify."

Do you really think so?

If (1) the guy was acquitted of Murder charges and (2) the jury refused to consider Manslaughter and (3) the FBI Report says that he did not commit a race-related hate-crime, then...

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the possible basis for such a civil suit...

Sanford police didn't drug test GZ, yet drug tested Trayvon's dead body.

They waited 6 weeks before arresting GZ.

They didn't preserve the crime scene in any way.

They treated GZ as a totally innocent person, and even almost as a colleague the night of the shooting.

GZ profiled and stalked their son.

Thank goodness. Most times profiling works

-Geaux

 

[testarosa]

there is one going on in Wisconsin

MILWAUKEE (AP) — A Milwaukee man’s own surveillance cameras show him confronting a 13-year-old neighbor boy on a sidewalk outside of their houses, pointing a gun at the teen and firing into his chest from a few feet away.
The wounded teen flees away from the cameras’ view and collapses in the street where his mother, according to her testimony, held him as he took his last breath.
The video was shown in court Tuesday as evidence in the trial of John Henry Spooner, who’s accused of gunning down Darius Simmons in May 2012 after accusing the teen of breaking into his home and stealing guns. Spooner, 76, is charged with first-degree intentional homicide.
In the surveillance footage, Spooner emerges from his house that morning and confronts Simmons. He points a gun at the boy, who quickly moves backward a few steps. Both Spooner and the teen direct their attention toward a porch at Simmons’ home, where Simmons’ mother is standing. Moments later, Spooner points the gun back at Simmons and fires twice.

Prosecutor: Video shows Wisconsin man killing teen | WildAboutTrial.com

Holy crap! WTH. Isn't that a case closed just waiting for verdict?

The Sneiderman is a maybe.. charges:
Sneiderman now faces seven counts of perjury, four counts of giving false statements and one count each of concealing material facts and hindering the apprehension of a criminal. One count of felony murder was added, along with a count of aggravated assault, while charges of attempted murder, insurance fraud and racketeering were dropped from the indictment handed down in August.

I'm so trial finicky with dp/slaughter/race. lol

We double dipped into Seacat on the JA thread - that was a shocker one - another psycho.

Trial vote thread?

I don't care - I just show up for the taking it apart and the laughs.

yeah looks that way

Levi Chavez was acquitted of his wifes murder

I was totally distracted through that one but caught some of it and the verdict.

What's the next blood and guts or injustice one?

 

[Kondor3]

"...But the civil trial, now, that's gonna be a huge win for Trayvon's parents. And GZ will be forced to testify."

Do you really think so?

If (1) the guy was acquitted of Murder charges and (2) the jury refused to consider Manslaughter and (3) the FBI Report says that he did not commit a race-related hate-crime, then...

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the possible basis for such a civil suit...

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...Sanford police didn't drug test GZ, yet drug tested Trayvon's dead body...

If that can be considered an Inconsistency, then, the blame falls upon Law Enforcement officials and not Zimmerman, yes?

"...They waited 6 weeks before arresting GZ..."

Ditto.

"...They didn't preserve the crime scene in any way..."

Ditto.

"...They treated GZ as a totally innocent person, and even almost as a colleague the night of the shooting..."

Ditto.

"...GZ profiled and stalked their son."

This is not proven at-law, and the FBI Report gave no indication of hate-crime -caliber behaviors.

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There may, indeed, be sufficient cause for action in a civil court, but I haven't seen it cited yet.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Any civil lawsuit vs. George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case may hit "stand your ground" obstacle - Orlando Sentinel

In any civil case Zimmerman can claim self defense and stand your ground. Stand your ground specifically precludes a civil trial.

If Zimmerman is sued in this case, a judge would determine whether "stand your ground" applies. If the judge rules it does, Zimmerman would be released from liability. If the judge rules against that claim, the case would be tried before a jury.

The statute, enacted in Florida in 2005, provides criminal and civil immunity to anyone who uses deadly force if he has a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury.

 

[tyroneweaver]

It's being reported by the Los Angeles Times. The article states that ""It's a very tough, tough case to sell" because of the lack of witnesses and "In most of these [hate crime] cases, you have someone who had made racial statements or you have a group who goes looking to attack a person based on their race." The FBI ruled that there was no evidence that George Zimmerman acted out of racial bias.


George Zimmerman unlikely to face federal charges - latimes.com

WASHINGTON — George Zimmerman is unlikely to face federal charges for killing black teenager Trayvon Martin because it would be difficult to prove he acted out of racial bias, Justice Department officials said Tuesday.

federal prosecution of Zimmerman would require clear evidence that he set out to attack the unarmed Martin because he was black.

So far, prosecutors have not shown evidence that Zimmerman acted out of racial bias.

That's weird. According to the left here, Zimmerman was out hunting blacks to kill.....go figure.

According to some on the right here the killing was just a happy little accident

chapter and verse please

 

[SantaFeWay]

Well, Andrea Sneiderman is just a manipulative bitch. I want to watch it because she was so expressive and combative when she was on the stand in her lover's trial. Unfortch we will probably not be treated to another performance since this will be her trial and she probably won't take the stand.

Also, I happened to be watching the livestream when her BFF testified, basically against her by saying the friend believed Andrea was having an affair with Neuman, something Andrea has always denied despite overwhelming evidence. During the BFF's testimony, Andrea was watching in the gallery and when she got off the stand and walked down to leave the courtroom Andrea stood up and gave her a full mouth too long Mafia kiss, right there in the aisle of the courtroom. I nearly fell off my seat! After that Andrea was banned from the proceedings.

There's a still shot of it here, at the 2:00 mark. Let me just tell you I have never seen anything like it in all my many, many years of trial watching.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlstX89XuK4]Justice for Rusty Sneiderman - YouTube[/ame]

Not sure how the prosecution is going to get her on all the charges, especially the murder charge. Ample proof she destroyed texts and emails and lied under oath, those will stick. But not sure what they think they can prove but I want to find out.

Creepyville.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

According to some on the right here the killing was just a happy little accident

Who has made this claim?

Did you miss all the posts that were happy about what they typically described as a violent street thug being taken out?

No, but I evidently missed the ones where people on the right were saying the killing was a happy little accident.

 

[Solaris]

How about not act like a thug or an animal, for one.

 

[JimBowie1958]

"You don't have to do that."

Clearly a COMMAND. In fact, it's obviously an outright ORDER!

And you VILL OBEY!

lol, too close to some actual libtards for comfort

 

[BrianH]

"You don't have to do that."

Clearly a COMMAND. In fact, it's obviously an outright ORDER!

And you VILL OBEY!

He said, "We don't need you to do that." But once again, a 911 dispatcher tells EVERYONE that when you call. They cannot give you an order because they will be liable for the consequences. If the dispatcher said, "Don't follow him" and the suspect kills someone around the corner then wouldn't he be liable for telling the only available help (another civilian) to stay away?

The 911 dispatcher was following protocol, not giving Zimmerman a direct order.

 

[BrianH]

Zimmerman called the cops and they told him to stand down. He didn't listen and pursued anyway.

There are a lot of ifs and buts in the case but for you to try to turn it around into "simple police involvement" and pretend no police contact was made, directions given by the police and they were ignored is dealing in fantasy

With all due respect, did you even watch the trial? Or listen to the 911 call?

1. The 911 Dispatcher did not give him an order. He said, "we don't NEED you to do that" and not "Please do NOT follow him." 911 Dispatchers are required to tell people that in EVERY situation. If you ask a 911 dispatcher if it's alright to shoot a home invader they won't tell you yes or no. IF you are asking a dispatcher if it's ok to save someone from a burning building they'll tell you that they don't need to you to that in order to take liability off themselves.

2. According to Zimmerman's statements, corroborated by his own 911 call, he only "chased" Martin for a few seconds before the 911 dispatcher made his comment about not needing him to follow and Zimmerman replied "Ok." What prompted the dispatcher to ask this question was because he heard Zimmerman's heavy breathing in the phone. After Zimmerman said, "ok" his breathing returned to normal indicating that he'd stopped running after Zimmerman.

3. Now here's a physics lesson, or perhaps a mathematical one. According to Zimmerman's statements he was returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him, implying that Martin must have turned around and returned in order to confront Zimmerman. (I think this is actually what happened seeing has how the only evidence of initial verbal contact was when Martin asked "What are you following me for?" while Jeantel was on the phone with him.

NOW, Let's hypothetically say that Zimmerman continued following Martin at a walking pace. You have a 17 year old black boy running in the other direction being followed by an overweight hispanic guy at a walking pace. How did they end up running back in to one another? Either way Martin would have HAD to have turned around and came back to confront Zimmerman. He was only 300+ feet from his house and had plenty of time to get there...

4. There's no doubt that, in the space time continuum, the actions of Zimmerman ultimately led to Martin's death. But we could say that about ANYTHING! We could say that Martin's poor behavior, leading to him being kicked out of school, put him in that neighborhood that day. The "domino" theory can be used to explain EVERYTHING that happens. If only somone had set their alarm 5 minutes earlier like a responsible working American, they wouldn't have gotten in that car accident that killed someone. The problem is that the domino theory is not "law."

Nothing that Zimmerman did that day, leading up to the shooting ,was illegal. Nothing Martin did, leading up to the confrontation, was illegal. Hell, Martin could have stood there and called Zimmerman a racist profiling spick and nothing illegal would have been done. The first crime that was committed was when Martin decided to punch Zimmerman. That would have ended up being a misdemeanor charge. But when he decided to keep pummeling his head into the concrete, it would have escalated the charge to Assault and Battery; a felony. Then, according to Zimmerman, Martin saw Zimmerman's gun on his hip and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker." This statement right there ups the charge to Attempted Murder.

It seems that most of the people disagreeing with this verdict simply don't understand self-defense laws and, honestly, haven't watched but a fraction of the trial, if at all. Most of the people rioting and protesting are just sheep being corralled by the race baiting of the media. A media that presented Martin as a 12 year old boy while they flashed Zimmerman's booking photos. A media that deliberately edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make him sound racist even though the ONLY time Zimmerman mentioned Martin's race was when the dispatcher asked for one and gave him options...A media that continuously injects white vs black racism into the issue when Zimmerman is obviously more hispanic than he is white.
I'm not accusing you of this because I don't know how much of the trial you watched. I watched almost every bit of it. I sat here at work with it live streaming on the computer. I watched it at home. I probably missed a few hours of it here and there. Also, being a CHL holder myself I was originally under the impression that Zimmerman was guilty; based on the reports by the media of course. However, after watching the trial, seeing the evidence, listening to witnesses, etc... I changed my mind.

Actually, the first crime was when Zimmerman left his vehicle and followed Trayvon up into the backyards of the complex.

Sorry...............but he'd followed Trayvon for quite a while, as well as quite a ways up the backyards.

If Zimmerman lived on that row, I may be able to see a connection, but if he didn't, he's nothing more than a wanna be cop who fucked up and killed an innocent teen.

Once again, with all due respect, find me a Florida law that says you can't follow someone while reporting their location to police. And, let's say that hypothetically Zimmerman approached Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. Find me a law that says you can't verbally ask someone a question. Martin didn't break any laws either until he started to beat the shit out of Zimmerman. Fact of the matter is that however you slice the pie, Zimmerman is not guilty of anything. You can't play the domino theory to say that if Zimmerman stayed in his car this wouldn't have happened. Had Martin not been expelled from school for drug possession and fighting he wouldn't have been in that neighborhood living with his father.

 

[BrianH]

Why didn't Trayvon get off the phone with his friend and call 911 if someone was stalking him? I know I would.

He couldn't, GZ had the line tied up...

Seriously, TM only lived there for several days so if he came from another state or town the 911 function on his cell phone wouldn't work at the new zipcode or locale. I know MY cell phone doesn't!

Either way he still had 4 minutes from the moment he ran, to go to his house, or to run to someone elses house to report that some creepy ass cracker was following him. Any other rational child would have either run home or knocked on the nearest door for help.

 

[BrianH]

Actually, the first crime was when Zimmerman left his vehicle and followed Trayvon up into the backyards of the complex.

Sorry...............but he'd followed Trayvon for quite a while, as well as quite a ways up the backyards.

If Zimmerman lived on that row, I may be able to see a connection, but if he didn't, he's nothing more than a wanna be cop who fucked up and killed an innocent teen.

"Followed Trayvon...for quite a while.."? 30 seconds and no more than 100 yards? Get real. If you think that's a crime, anywhere, you are totally delusional as to what the law is (What you WISH it is, doesn't matter) !

As for that idea you have about hitting someone just for following you, without any clear verbal or physical threat...good luck with that. Try it, and I hope ALL you get is an assault charge and a night in jail! If you're lucky, that's all that WILL happen; it's not all that CAN happen, though! A number of people who have thought that way, are no longer around to discuss the matter. Trayvon Martin at least had the excuse of being an adolescent with adolescent emotions and judgement; you're an adult, and should know better.

If I don't get shot and killed, that person is going to jail.

Hopefully, before they shoot and kill me.

But.........................if you follow me like Zimmerman did, I hope that your ass is beaten down before you shoot me.

Zimmerman was wrong, knew he was wrong, and kept trying to change his story to prove him right.

Where are you getting that he changed his story? There were numerous testimony's on tape that didn't contradict one another. 2nd, had Martin not been killed he'd have been charged with felony assault and battery. Possibly attempted murder because he told Martin that he was "going to die tonight motherfucker." Where you getting you information from?

 

[BrianH]

Actually, the first crime was when Zimmerman left his vehicle and followed Trayvon up into the backyards of the complex.

Sorry...............but he'd followed Trayvon for quite a while, as well as quite a ways up the backyards.

If Zimmerman lived on that row, I may be able to see a connection, but if he didn't, he's nothing more than a wanna be cop who fucked up and killed an innocent teen.

Actually, the first crime was when Zimmerman left his vehicle and followed Trayvon up into the backyards of the complex.

Following someone isn't a crime. Even if the guy you're following is black.

he's nothing more than a wanna be cop who fucked up and killed an innocent teen.

An innocent teen who was beating on him.

You're right.................following someone isn't a crime here in the U.S.

However....................if you follow me in a vehicle and then decide to follow me for around 100 yards, I'm gonna think that you're going to do harm to me and I WILL confront you.

Would I be considered bad if you said racist crap to me while following me and I decided to kick your ass?

Quick question..................how many of YOU people would allow someone to follow you in a vehicle, jump out and start following you down the street, without asking what the fuck they were following you for?

I live in a pretty decent place, but if you follow me down the block after tracking me in a vehicle, I'm gonna ask you why you're there. If you can't provide a decent response, my response may be to attack.

Trayvon was murdered and Zimmerman needs to go to jail. Sorry, but the 911 operator told him "we don't need you to do that" when he said he was going to follow him.

Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle, going out of it lost him the "stand your ground" defense.

1. And you wouldn't be doing anything illegal by confronting them until you decided to beat the shit out of them; because Maybe--just maybe-- they thought you were up to no good and were talking to police.

2. Personally if someone was following me in a vehicle I would be freaking smart about it and call the PD and tell them I was going to be driving right by their department with someone following me...

3. Zimmerman DIDN'T USE SYG defense in the trial. They used basic self-defense laws...NOT SYG.

4. You would be perfectly within the law to ask someone why they're following you. If you chose to physically attack them then you WOULD be breaking the law and I wouldn't feel sorry for you if someone shot you for it. The lesson of the day is that if someone is following you, don't attack them because they might have a gun.

 

[asterism]

With all due respect, did you even watch the trial? Or listen to the 911 call?

1. The 911 Dispatcher did not give him an order. He said, "we don't NEED you to do that" and not "Please do NOT follow him." 911 Dispatchers are required to tell people that in EVERY situation. If you ask a 911 dispatcher if it's alright to shoot a home invader they won't tell you yes or no. IF you are asking a dispatcher if it's ok to save someone from a burning building they'll tell you that they don't need to you to that in order to take liability off themselves.

2. According to Zimmerman's statements, corroborated by his own 911 call, he only "chased" Martin for a few seconds before the 911 dispatcher made his comment about not needing him to follow and Zimmerman replied "Ok." What prompted the dispatcher to ask this question was because he heard Zimmerman's heavy breathing in the phone. After Zimmerman said, "ok" his breathing returned to normal indicating that he'd stopped running after Zimmerman.

3. Now here's a physics lesson, or perhaps a mathematical one. According to Zimmerman's statements he was returning to his vehicle when Martin attacked him, implying that Martin must have turned around and returned in order to confront Zimmerman. (I think this is actually what happened seeing has how the only evidence of initial verbal contact was when Martin asked "What are you following me for?" while Jeantel was on the phone with him.

NOW, Let's hypothetically say that Zimmerman continued following Martin at a walking pace. You have a 17 year old black boy running in the other direction being followed by an overweight hispanic guy at a walking pace. How did they end up running back in to one another? Either way Martin would have HAD to have turned around and came back to confront Zimmerman. He was only 300+ feet from his house and had plenty of time to get there...

4. There's no doubt that, in the space time continuum, the actions of Zimmerman ultimately led to Martin's death. But we could say that about ANYTHING! We could say that Martin's poor behavior, leading to him being kicked out of school, put him in that neighborhood that day. The "domino" theory can be used to explain EVERYTHING that happens. If only somone had set their alarm 5 minutes earlier like a responsible working American, they wouldn't have gotten in that car accident that killed someone. The problem is that the domino theory is not "law."

Nothing that Zimmerman did that day, leading up to the shooting ,was illegal. Nothing Martin did, leading up to the confrontation, was illegal. Hell, Martin could have stood there and called Zimmerman a racist profiling spick and nothing illegal would have been done. The first crime that was committed was when Martin decided to punch Zimmerman. That would have ended up being a misdemeanor charge. But when he decided to keep pummeling his head into the concrete, it would have escalated the charge to Assault and Battery; a felony. Then, according to Zimmerman, Martin saw Zimmerman's gun on his hip and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker." This statement right there ups the charge to Attempted Murder.

It seems that most of the people disagreeing with this verdict simply don't understand self-defense laws and, honestly, haven't watched but a fraction of the trial, if at all. Most of the people rioting and protesting are just sheep being corralled by the race baiting of the media. A media that presented Martin as a 12 year old boy while they flashed Zimmerman's booking photos. A media that deliberately edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make him sound racist even though the ONLY time Zimmerman mentioned Martin's race was when the dispatcher asked for one and gave him options...A media that continuously injects white vs black racism into the issue when Zimmerman is obviously more hispanic than he is white.
I'm not accusing you of this because I don't know how much of the trial you watched. I watched almost every bit of it. I sat here at work with it live streaming on the computer. I watched it at home. I probably missed a few hours of it here and there. Also, being a CHL holder myself I was originally under the impression that Zimmerman was guilty; based on the reports by the media of course. However, after watching the trial, seeing the evidence, listening to witnesses, etc... I changed my mind.

Actually, the first crime was when Zimmerman left his vehicle and followed Trayvon up into the backyards of the complex.

Sorry...............but he'd followed Trayvon for quite a while, as well as quite a ways up the backyards.

If Zimmerman lived on that row, I may be able to see a connection, but if he didn't, he's nothing more than a wanna be cop who fucked up and killed an innocent teen.

Once again, with all due respect, find me a Florida law that says you can't follow someone while reporting their location to police. And, let's say that hypothetically Zimmerman approached Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. Find me a law that says you can't verbally ask someone a question. Martin didn't break any laws either until he started to beat the shit out of Zimmerman. Fact of the matter is that however you slice the pie, Zimmerman is not guilty of anything. You can't play the domino theory to say that if Zimmerman stayed in his car this wouldn't have happened. Had Martin not been expelled from school for drug possession and fighting he wouldn't have been in that neighborhood living with his father.

Well not necessarily. The domino effect can be used to convince a jury if one is only being charged with manslaughter. The culpable negligence is a definite possibility.

 

[MeBelle]

you should check out pRick Scott's FB wall.

Sucks to be the Medicare Fraud king aka the "shut that prosecutor's mouth" guy.

Hubby worked for HCA. We used to hang out with Scott.

Left for greener pastures.

Total stunnage with when we found out about the Medicare fraud.