The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Ernie S.]

And what is it with the avatar change? Imitating is the highest form of flattery, but a picture of a motorcycle is supposed to make you more believable?

 

[High_Gravity]

All Black people are "suspicious" I guess.

 

[Sunshine]

lol...you bigot!!

lol...you faggot!!

Here it is, [MENTION=21954]Sunshine[/MENTION]...you told this forum that you only called me a faggot because I called you a bigot...I told you that I never did and that I was joking with Testy about her using "negger". Even when you were corrected you continued to lie...I told you to back it up and you did not...so here it is in support of my claim.

You lied and here is the proof.

Why are you homophobic?

 

[Edgetho]

Lead Investigator Serino yesterday told the Court that he tried to bluff Zimmerman by saying that the entire event had been videotaped.

Zimmerman said, "Thank God" with a sigh of relief.

Guilty people don't thank God when they're told they were videotaped during an act in question

 

[25Caliber]

And what is it with the avatar change? Imitating is the highest form of flattery, but a picture of a motorcycle is supposed to make you more believable?

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Ernie S.]

Im busy right now.

Busy? You started talking about your "smoking gun" about 8PM. You've had roughly 13 hours.

He's flirting with Sunshine

Sunshine beez my baby mama. he bezt beez leebun huh lone!

 

[Sunshine]

Pages and pages and we zoom in on the "old".

I don't know about you, but I'm 29 and that ain't old.

Is that like how my wife is 29? She says "I'm 29 and a bit, and each year the bit gets bigger."

I'm 29ish.

I'm plenty 9!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Lead Investigator Serino yesterday told the Court that he tried to bluff Zimmerman by saying that the entire event had been videotaped.

Zimmerman said, "Thank God" with a sigh of relief.

Guilty people don't thank God when they're told they were videotaped during an act in question

^This

 

[GHook93]

The more information that is released on George Zimmerman, the individual that killed defenseless 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, for walking in his own family's neighborhood, the more it becomes clear that he is a paranoid racist, with a serious aversion to black people. Zimmerman equates being black with guilt and crime.

So much so, prior to murdering poor Martin, Zimmerman called 911 on April 22, 2011 to report a suspicious black 7-year-old, seeking police assistance. That says it all. He is deranged. The police department in Sanford, Florida should have arrested Zimmerman long ago, as his conduct was menacing, disturbing the peace and fraudulently usurping police resources, which is a serious crime the taxpayers footed the bill for.

There have been stories in the press of police and FBI in different parts of America, arresting people that called them too much. It is a crime to do such a thing, but Zimmerman mysteriously got away with it - 49 times in one year, complaining about black men and black children with no penalty. Something is very wrong with that. Filing a fraudulent police complaint is a crime. The Sanford police department bears liability in this fact.

Aisha: Trayvon Martin's Killer George Zimmerman Previously Reported Suspicious Black 7-Year-Old To 911

First you quote from a rapers Aisha BLOG! Fucking fool. Where the bitch disingenuously posted Trayvon's pic when he was 8 yrs old and not the MASSIVE 17 yr old he was!

Why not quote from where she quoted from:

Did Trayvon Shooter Abuse 911? - The Daily Beast
For the most part, the nature of Zimmerman’s calls make him sound more like a curmudgeon than a vigilante protecting the Retreat at Twin Lakes, the 260-unit gated community where he lived and where he shot Martin.

In November 2006, according to the log, Zimmerman placed a non-911 call to report a late model red Toyota pickup “driving around the neighborhood” and the apartment complex for several minutes.

In June 2009, he called to report that people were misbehaving in the community-pool area, jumping over the fence and trashing the bathroom.
George Zimmermen

Roberto Gonzalez / Getty Images; inset, Orange County Jail / Miami Herald / AP Photos

In October 2010, he called to report a woman in a blue Jeep Grand Cherokee who appeared to be yelling at elderly passengers.

But starting in 2011, Zimmerman’s calls increasingly focused on what he considered “suspicious” characters walking around the neighborhood—almost all of whom were young black males.

On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.

On Aug. 3 of last year, Zimmerman reported a black male who he believed was “involved in recent” burglaries in the neighborhood.

And on Oct. 1 he reported two black male suspects “20-30” years old, in a white Chevrolet Impala. He told police he did “not recognize” the men or their vehicle and that he was concerned because of the recent burglaries.

Jesus Christ assholes like you make it like having a vigilante community watch VOLUNTEER is a HIGH crime area where burglaries, vandalism and violent home invasions were plaguing the foreclosure crisis hit area! The Pole-eeece can't be everywhere. In fact they are usually never in the neighborhood when they are need, but a community watch volunteer is! I applaud Zimmerman for his effort to protect his community and damn all you fools that are attacking him for being the IDEAL neighbor!

 

[testarosa]

Do you think people are going to start saying that the DA and every witness is tanking this trial because they are racists or that these detectives and police are mad because they didn't want to charge Zimmerman and are tanking their testimony?

No.

It is what it is.

It's all coming out right here in the thing we call "trial".

 

[RKMBrown]

Ernie if you don't agree following a suspect who had his hand in his pocket, who you just told the police has a gun or something. If you don't think that is reckless then we'll just have to disagree on this point. If you don't agree it was reckless to not announce himself, then we'll just have to disagree.

Can we at least agree on the parking ticket.

Parking ticket? WTF?

Oh so now your defending GZ's illegal parking stunt? Put down the cool aid.

 

[25Caliber]

lol...you faggot!!

Here it is, [MENTION=21954]Sunshine[/MENTION]...you told this forum that you only called me a faggot because I called you a bigot...I told you that I never did and that I was joking with Testy about her using "negger". Even when you were corrected you continued to lie...I told you to back it up and you did not...so here it is in support of my claim.

You lied and here is the proof.

Why are you homophobic?

You lied to the forum...I proved it. I told you I would...I told you that you couldnt...I win. Pretty simple.

 

[Sunshine]

Bernie's getting desperate...

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin, just 20 days past his 17th birthday"

So he was NOT a minor! How dishonest can the media get before this is over. He has been portrayed as a minor from day 1.

 

[Sarah G]

HAHAHAHA
No, you are so far off base it is pathetic. Are you really this ignorant?
The DNA evidence has already been introduced and ALL it says that may help the prosecution is that they found no DNA on the gun.
And since it was raining the forensic examiner stated that was common to have rain wash off DNA from the gun.
There has been no "the rest" of the witnesses to testify what you claim.
Go away and look at the videos of the trial. You know nothing of anything factual in this case.

The Jury will see the DNA report shows that none of Zimmerman's DNA was under Martin's fingernails. You are the one who needs to look better at the evidence. It was only drizzling that night.

You're a fool. You always have been.

The liberal logic:
Ignore the facts if they do not agree with your ideology.
Slant, twist and distort the facts to fit your ideology.
Call names to those who do not agree with your ideology.
If Martin never scratched Zimmerman with his fingernails how could there be DNA under them?
WELL DUH!
Lack of DNA evidence means nothing in this case.
You have an eye witness that testifies that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding him.
That is direct evidence. Undisputed.
Zimmerman's blood was found on Martin's clothing.

What does that mean?
Sorry you were conned and misled as to the law as well as most everything else in this case.
How does it feel listening to the Martin attorney Crump to get your facts?
He has misled you from the start as he is after the 40% fee he gets for the civil settlements only and his own ambulance chasing law firm.
Prayers and thoughts to the Martin family that did nothing wrong in this, are entitlted to every penny of any and all civil settlements, lost a son and have been conned, misled and manipulated from the start.
Same for you.

You're wrong again, better read the reports.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Let me clarify that I'm not saying Zimmerman should or shouldn't be convicted of manslaughter.

Now, get to your retarded muck; Self defense is a valid defense against murder. It is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT (Saying it enough times to sink into your pudding brain) an absolute defense against manslaughter. The FL statute for manslaughter regards whether GZ exercised culpable negligence that led to Travis's death. Now that this has been explained to you for the fourth fucking time; you should get it now.

I seriously doubt (no matter how many times someone writes "not" in all caps) that the legal defense of justification does not apply to manslaughter in Florida.

I didn't say that it did. Though it normally does actually, but not if the 'victim' is a minor. And the NOTs were to explain to dickcheese the deal. He keeps pretending the self defense is a be-all factor as to whether GZ can be convicted of man slaughter.

And I also see no "exception" to the right of a person to resort to justification IF the "victim" is a minor.

The Florida jury instruction with regard to manslaughter says:

7.7 MANSLAUGHTER
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. (Victim) is dead.

Give 2a, 2b, or 2c depending upon allegations and proof.
2. a. (Defendant) intentionally committed an act or acts that
caused the death of (victim).

b. (Defendant) intentionally procured an act that caused
the death of (victim).

c. The death of (victim) was caused by the culpable negligence of (defendant).

The defendant cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide:

Negligence:
Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence.

Justifiable Homicide:
The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon the defendant, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which the defendant was at the time of the killing. § 782.02, Fla. Stat.

Excusable Homicide:
The killing of a human being is excusable, and therefore lawful, under any one of the following three circumstances:

1. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent, or

2. When the killing occurs by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or

3. When the killing is committed by accident and misfortune resulting from a sudden combat, if a dangerous weapon is not used and the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.
§ 782.03, Fla. Stat.

Give only if 2a alleged and proved.
In order to convict of manslaughter by act, it is not necessary for the State to prove that the defendant had an intent to cause death, only an intent to commit an act that was not merely negligent, justified, or excusable and which caused death.

Give only if 2b alleged and proved.
To “procure” means to persuade, induce, prevail upon or cause a person to do something.
Give only if 2c alleged and proved.
I will now define “culpable negligence” for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard for the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights.

The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.

§ 782.07(2)-(4), Fla. Stat. Enhanced penalty if 2c alleged and proved. Give a, b, or c, as applicable.
If you find the defendant guilty of manslaughter, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that:

a. (Victim) was at the time [an elderly person] [a disabled adult] whose death was caused by the neglect of (defendant), a caregiver.

b. (Victim) was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of (defendant), a caregiver.

c. (Victim) was at the time [an officer] [a firefighter] [an emergency medical technician] [a paramedic] who was at the time performing duties that were within the course of [his] [her] employment. The court now instructs you that (official title of victim) is [an officer] [a firefighter] [an emergency medical technician] [a paramedic].

Definitions. Give if applicable.
“Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.

§782.03, Fla. Stat.
“Dangerous weapon” is any weapon that, taking into account the manner in which it was used, is likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

“Elderly person” means a person 60 years of age or older who is suffering from the infirmities of aging as manifested by advanced age, organic brain damage, or physical, mental, or emotional dysfunctioning, to the extent that the ability of the person to provide adequately for the person=s own care or protection is impaired.

“Disabled adult” means a person 18 years of age or older who suffers from a condition of physical or mental incapacitation due to developmental disability, organic brain damage, or mental illness, or who has one or more physical or mental limitations that restrict the person=s ability to perform the normal activities of daily living.

“Facility” means any location providing day or residential care or treatment for elderly persons or disabled adults. The term “facility” may include, but is not limited to, any hospital, training center, state institution, nursing home, assisted living facility, adult family-care home, adult day care center, group home, mental health treatment center, or continuing care community.

As applied to an Elderly Person or a Disabled Adult.
“Caregiver” means a person who has been entrusted with or has assumed responsibility for the care or the property of an elderly person or a disabled adult. “Caregiver” includes, but is not limited to, relatives, court-appointed or voluntary guardians, adult household members, neighbors, health care providers, and employees and volunteers of facilities.

As applied to a Child.
“Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.

§ 825.102(3)(a) or § 827.03(3)(a), Fla. Stat. Give 1 or 2 as applicable.
“Neglect of [a child”] [an elderly person”] [a disabled adult”] means:

1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide [a child] [an elderly person] [a disabled adult] with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain [a child’s] [an elderly person’s] [a disabled adult’s] physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the [child] [elderly person] [disabled adult];

or

2. A caregiver’s failure to make reasonable effort to protect [a child]
[an elderly person] [a disabled adult] from abuse, neglect or exploitation by another person.

Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of [a child] [an elderly person] [a disabled adult] may be considered in determining neglect.

Definitions. As applied to Designated Personnel.
§ 112.191 and § 633.35, Fla. Stat.
“Firefighter” means any full-time duly employed uniformed firefighter employed by an employer, whose primary duty is the prevention and extinguishing of fires, the protection of life and property there from, the enforcement of municipal, county, and state fire prevention codes, as well as the enforcement of any law pertaining to the prevention and control of fires, who is certified by the Division of State Fire Marshal of the Department of Financial Services, who is a member of a duly constituted fire department of such employer or who is a volunteer firefighter.

§ 943.10(14), Fla. Stat.
“Officer” means any person employed or appointed as a full-time, part-time or auxiliary law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or correctional probation officer.

§ 401.23, Fla. Stat.
“Emergency Medical Technician” means a person who is certified by the Department of Health to perform basic life support.
§ 401.23, Fla. Stat.
“Paramedic” means a person who is certified by the Department of Health to perform basic and advanced life support.

Lesser Included Offenses

MANSLAUGHTER 782.07
CATEGORY ONE CATEGORY TWO FLA. STAT. INS. NO.
None
Vehicular homicide 782.071 7.9
Vessel homicide 782.072 7.9
(Nonhomicide lessers) Attempt 777.04(1) 5.1
Aggravated assault 784.021 8.2
Battery 784.03 8.3
Assault 784.011 8.1
Culpable negligence 784.05 8.9

* * * *

The references to minors or children do NOT translate into the proposition that "justification" is inapplicable if the victim is a child. You are apparently misreading the law.

 

[Sunshine]

Here it is, [MENTION=21954]Sunshine[/MENTION]...you told this forum that you only called me a faggot because I called you a bigot...I told you that I never did and that I was joking with Testy about her using "negger". Even when you were corrected you continued to lie...I told you to back it up and you did not...so here it is in support of my claim.

You lied and here is the proof.

Why are you homophobic?

You lied to the forum...I proved it. I told you I would...I told you that you couldnt...I win. Pretty simple.

Why do you hate old people?

 

[Ernie S.]

And what is it with the avatar change? Imitating is the highest form of flattery, but a picture of a motorcycle is supposed to make you more believable?

WTF are you talking about?

Your recent avatar change or don't you remember doing that. Maybe it was your 3rd shift stand in????

 

[25Caliber]

Bernie's getting desperate...

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin, just 20 days past his 17th birthday"

So he was NOT a minor! How dishonest can the media get before this is over. He has been portrayed as a minor from day 1.

Who are you to talk about dishonesty...you are a proven liar yourself.

 

[Ernie S.]

Ernie if you don't agree following a suspect who had his hand in his pocket, who you just told the police has a gun or something. If you don't think that is reckless then we'll just have to disagree on this point. If you don't agree it was reckless to not announce himself, then we'll just have to disagree.

Can we at least agree on the parking ticket.

Parking ticket? WTF?

Oh so now your defending GZ's illegal parking stunt? Put down the cool aid.

What illegal parking stunt and how is a parking ticket relevant?

 

[Sunshine]

Now Bernie is totally losing his mind. Laughing at the witness?

He becomes hostile every time he recross examines(think that's the term) his own witnesses... At least he knows they're losing the case for him.

It is redirect. Not recross.