The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Gem]

Nate Wrote:

Wow, Prosecution actually pulled out a decent one there... Only thing I have issues with is, how many times does a person have to get hit before it becomes life threatening? Does one have to wait until they sustain a significant amount of damage before they can defend themselves even with deadly force?
Also, it was smart to bring up the lack of injury on Martin other than the abrasions because it showed that only Zimmerman suffered from the fight...
I know that isn't much but it's still the prosecutor's job to show Zimmerman as the aggressor and unless he hits like a 10 year old girl, Martin should have still had some kind of injury if he truly was being attacked by Zimmerman.

I agree with you, this was the first witness the Prosecution has put forward that has really said anything that might sway jurors. What I took away from her testimony is 1) Zimmerman's injuries were minor, not life-threatening. BUT 2) She can't say for sure whether he was punched 1x or numerous times, whether his head was slammed 1x or numerous times.

I think the question I would have, as a juror, at this point would be: Does the injury have to truly be life-threatening or does the person being attacked have to THINK its life-threatening.

I know people are going to say this HELPS the prosecution...but I can't help but feel that all we really seem to be "knowing" for sure is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, as evidenced by the ME's testimony about Zimmerman's and Trayvon's injuries.

 

[Sallow]

Here is my thought on this. Zimmerman will walk. We ALL know why he thought martin was "suspicious" but sadly, him following martin is not illegal. Being a racist asshole is not illegal. Zimmerman did everything right to get away with killing martin. Life in immenent danger 101....down to a science. He will walk for killing a boy who did nothing wrong. These are my thoughts as of now.

Except his life was not in any danger.

His injuries were very minor..and according to Zimmerman? The police were there 15 seconds after he murdered Martin.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Why doesn't the national media cover the slaughter in Chicago like this? Oh'yeah, it can't be used to target whitey!!!!

Who's the racist? I'd say you're.

 

[Yurt]

Where is the case? Why on earth do you people want to hang this man so much?

Don't you think he has a right to a fair trial???? The guy isn't even white so wtf!

He killed a 17 yr. old kid in cold blood. He's getting all the fairness he didn't give that boy.

I've heard this question a couple of times now, talking point of the day?

the witnesses from the prosecution side indicate it was not cold blood. what facts do you have that the prosecution and witnesses do not?

 

[The Rabbi]

You live in Florida?

Not so sure about the laws there.

I am reasonably sure he wouldn't have gotten a gun license in New York.

New York denies permits to people with no criminal convictions?

You bet.

All the time. Because NY is a May Issue state, not a Shall Issue state. They're a bunch of fucking commie simps there.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Where is the case? Why on earth do you people want to hang this man so much?

Don't you think he has a right to a fair trial???? The guy isn't even white so wtf!

He killed a 17 yr. old kid in cold blood. He's getting all the fairness he didn't give that boy.

I've heard this question a couple of times now, talking point of the day?

So you don't believe in the self defense laws? You just believe that Trayvon had a right to beat on him.

Do you care to look at the evidence?

A 17 year old "kid" that is in MMA is capable of killing someone.

 

[Snookie]

Apples and oranges argument.

What? chickens running around with no heads and trayvon getting shot in the heart dont compare...but the chickens are in evidence, right?

A deer can run 2/3rd's of a mile with 3/4 of it's heart obliterated. TM would still be alive for over a minute without a pulse.

you are funny.

 

[KissMy]

The defense should whip out an eye chart for the M.E. to read. She is straining to look at those pictures. She is blind as a bat & bias as hell friends with the state atty.

 

[Gracie]

awww. Poor Miracle Mike.

 

[Sarah G]

HAHAHAHA
No, you are so far off base it is pathetic. Are you really this ignorant?
The DNA evidence has already been introduced and ALL it says that may help the prosecution is that they found no DNA on the gun.
And since it was raining the forensic examiner stated that was common to have rain wash off DNA from the gun.
There has been no "the rest" of the witnesses to testify what you claim.
Go away and look at the videos of the trial. You know nothing of anything factual in this case.

The Jury will see the DNA report shows that none of Zimmerman's DNA was under Martin's fingernails. You are the one who needs to look better at the evidence. It was only drizzling that night.

You're a fool. You always have been.

from the prosecution's star witness:

“I was on the phone when Trayvon decided to go to the corner store. It started to rain so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining too hard...."

Zimmerman testimony focuses on letter given to Trayvon Martin's mom - U.S. News

Several witnesses testified that it was drizzling.

 

[Yurt]

The Jury will see the DNA report shows that none of Zimmerman's DNA was under Martin's fingernails. You are the one who needs to look better at the evidence. It was only drizzling that night.

You're a fool. You always have been.

from the prosecution's star witness:

“I was on the phone when Trayvon decided to go to the corner store. It started to rain so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining too hard...."

Zimmerman testimony focuses on letter given to Trayvon Martin's mom - U.S. News

Several witnesses testified that it was drizzling.

cite

interesting that you would hold their account in higher esteem than martin via his friend

 

[Sallow]

Nate Wrote:

Wow, Prosecution actually pulled out a decent one there... Only thing I have issues with is, how many times does a person have to get hit before it becomes life threatening? Does one have to wait until they sustain a significant amount of damage before they can defend themselves even with deadly force?
Also, it was smart to bring up the lack of injury on Martin other than the abrasions because it showed that only Zimmerman suffered from the fight...
I know that isn't much but it's still the prosecutor's job to show Zimmerman as the aggressor and unless he hits like a 10 year old girl, Martin should have still had some kind of injury if he truly was being attacked by Zimmerman.

I agree with you, this was the first witness the Prosecution has put forward that has really said anything that might sway jurors. What I took away from her testimony is 1) Zimmerman's injuries were minor, not life-threatening. BUT 2) She can't say for sure whether he was punched 1x or numerous times, whether his head was slammed 1x or numerous times.

I think the question I would have, as a juror, at this point would be: Does the injury have to truly be life-threatening or does the person being attacked have to THINK its life-threatening.
I know people are going to say this HELPS the prosecution...but I can't help but feel that all we really seem to be "knowing" for sure is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, as evidenced by the ME's testimony about Zimmerman's and Trayvon's injuries.

The problem with that, is Zimmerman put himself into the situation. He was the one who was armed. He was the one who was "playing" cop and aggravating what he knew was already something volatile.

He acknowledges that Martin "circled" the car.
He express "fear" that Martin may be armed.
He acknowledges that Martin is running from him.
And he acknowledges that he got out of his car to follow Martin.

 

[Snookie]

I shot a deer through the heart, lungs & both shoulders & it still ran 2/3rd's of a mile before it collapsed. Death is not instant. Chickens run around with no heads. In France they used to tell people they were free to go just before the guillotine blade was released just to watch their headless body run.

I read somewhere about a chicken that lived for months with no head...but it still had part of it's brain stem intact.

I just read this article, and it seems to verify your statement.

There is no such thing as instant death.

HowStuffWorks "Do you really stay conscious after being decapitated?"

I thought the rest of that was debunked as autonomic spasms...but that seems not to be the case.

As an aside...Mike the Headless Chicken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Not to be construed as having any bearing on the case, but I wanted to link to it in the event anyone was interested.

No, wait! It's time to bring on the donkeys!

 

[KissMy]

Here is my thought on this. Zimmerman will walk. We ALL know why he thought martin was "suspicious" but sadly, him following martin is not illegal. Being a racist asshole is not illegal. Zimmerman did everything right to get away with killing martin. Life in immenent danger 101....down to a science. He will walk for killing a boy who did nothing wrong. These are my thoughts as of now.

Except his life was not in any danger.

His injuries were very minor..and according to Zimmerman? The police were there 15 seconds after he murdered Martin.

How many times will you let me slam your head onto concrete before you pull your gun tuff guy??????

 

[The Rabbi]

Where is the case? Why on earth do you people want to hang this man so much?

Don't you think he has a right to a fair trial???? The guy isn't even white so wtf!

He killed a 17 yr. old kid in cold blood. He's getting all the fairness he didn't give that boy.

I've heard this question a couple of times now, talking point of the day?

Drama queen. He didnt kill him "in cold blood" (whatever that means). He shot him in self defense. He didnt intiate the aggression, Trayvon did. Had Trayvon succeeded in killing Zimmerman he would be running around scot free in all likelihood because he was just another inner city Negro and nothing special. Zimmerman is a middle class white guy (at least according to the media) so he gets singled out for "special" treatment.

 

[Caroljo]

If this isn't about racism. Why is the entire fucking media following this like the world trade center was destroyed again?

Why is the black community threatening to riot?
Why are people so blind to the evidence. This goes a thousand times for the media as they side totally against Zimmerman.

WHY?

Everything screams that Zimmerman was well within his right of self defense. Our media and the entire left doesn't seem to care.

It became about racism and the black community threatening to riot once Sharpton showed up and opened his big racist mouth. If that hadn't happened, we wouldn't be hearing about this today.

 

[asterism]

The Chief Medical Examiner recently stated that the injuries Zimmerman experienced were not life threatening, adding that there were "insignificant."

That's another blow to the defense that shows Zimmerman to be the pathological liar that he is.

They're starting to get into interesting evidence. It took her 15 minutes to get all of her credentials out. Smart lady, very smart and so is this prosecutor, John Guy.

Maybe not:

Jacksonville Medical Examiner Valerie Rao has been the subject of recurring complaints from her co-workers dating back to 2009. According to letters sent to the the city, "Rao has been seen touching cadavers with her bare hands, washing her feet in the autopsy sink, and performing unnecessary autopsies on inmates to create a revenue stream."

Channel 4's learned that Rao actually has a history of complaints dating back 10 years, while she was Medical Examiner for Citrus, Hernando, Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. Dr. Rao was the Medical Examiner there from 2000 to 2003.

More complaints on Medical Examiner Valerie Rao | News - Home

City workers say she's called staff members rednecks and referred to others as being overweight, among other derogatory descriptions.

Jacksonville Medical Examiner subject of complaints | News - Home

Bowling wrote that Rao had been seen touching cadavers with her bare hands, washing her feet in the autopsy sink, performing unnecessary autopsies on inmates to create a revenue stream and was generally an unfair and poor manager. The complaints came from staff employees, said Brown spokesman Dave DeCamp.
One of the employees whose complaints in part prompted the letter to the state has resigned. DeCamp did not know if the resignation, effective Tuesday, was tied to the turmoil in the office.


Read more at Jacksonville.com: Amid series of complaints at Medical Examiner's Office, Jacksonville considers privatizing office | jacksonville.com

 

[PredFan]

Where is the case? Why on earth do you people want to hang this man so much?

Don't you think he has a right to a fair trial???? The guy isn't even white so wtf!

He killed a 17 yr. old kid in cold blood. He's getting all the fairness he didn't give that boy.

I've heard this question a couple of times now, talking point of the day?

No, he didn't. In your rabid racist hatred you don't have the rational ability to realize what constitutes "cold blood".

the reason you've heard that so many times is that you people have already convicted him despite the fact that you weren't there, and you don't know what happened.

Don't think that applies to you? Let me quote you:

"He killed a 17 yr. old kid in cold blood. He's getting all the fairness he didn't give that boy."

You're language gives you away.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

The Statute you cited clearly states that manslaughter does not apply to justified killing, meaning self defense. You can't even read your own quotes.

That's the first possibility; for adults. The third possibility doesn't include "lawful justification" in the case of a minor as an absolute defense; IE self defense. It merely states that a person is guilty of manslaughter if his culpable negligence leads to the death of that person. THIS ISN'T DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S FREAKING BLACK AND WHITE. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT A GRAY AREA HERE.

Your own quoted text does not say what you claim. It clearly lists for all clauses that justified killings are not manslaughter

(3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(2)(b) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Where does that list legal justification as an out to manslaughter? It doesn't. Self defense is the legal justification against murder, not manslaughter (against a minor in FL). So, for instance, if the defense proved that Zimmerman started the fight then that could be culpable negligence and grounds for manslaughter. Again, this is not difficult.

 

[Snookie]

The defense should whip out an eye chart for the M.E. to read. She is straining to look at those pictures. She is blind as a bat & bias as hell friends with the state atty.

Not everyone can be as objective as you. You're special.