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We agree. I condemn Zimmerman's actions also.
Does not make him a murderer.
At best if that, manslaughter.
Hint: the state has to prove INTENT TO MURDER from the START in this to prove murder.
Will give you a break. Did you know that? Zimmerman had to have MURDER on his mind and as his intent FROM THE START.
So he is not guilty of murder. Right?
Good, that is a start.
Manslaughter is what this case is as he did not start out intending to kill Martin.
Right.
Good. I believe that if the jury hears a jury charge that they can convict on a lessor charge then maybe manslaughter.
But please, if you can not see that the state has offered NO evidence to prove murder then you are not in this discussion objectively.
"Officer Serino, who took the stand again on Tuesday, said the expletives that Mr. Zimmerman used as he was pursuing Mr. Martin connoted ill will — a necessary component in a second-degree murder conviction."
The police officers were also clearly disturbed that Mr. Zimmerman, a community watch volunteer, seemed to have pursued Mr. Martin on foot after a police operator had told him he need not do so. Last week, a young woman who had been on the phone with Mr. Martin that night testified that he told her he was being followed by a “creepy” man, and that she later heard her friend crying, “Get off, get off.”
What Detective Serino said IS SPECULATION ONLY.
"ill will" testimony from a 3rd party IS NOT a "necessary component in a 2nd degree murder case". You have to have DIRECT evidence of that.
The 911 dispatcher testified "we never give orders or commands as that would make us liable"
Yes, you are a dumb ass.
Sorry guys. Bikes just aren't my thang any more. I got over them when I put the bike boots up, left the spikey helmeted boyfriend, spit out the bugs from the putts we took, and turned all mellow. Hence...swapping out my avie that represents who I am now.
What Detective Serino said IS SPECULATION ONLY.
"ill will" testimony from a 3rd party IS NOT a "necessary component in a 2nd degree murder case". You have to have DIRECT evidence of that.
The 911 dispatcher testified "we never give orders or commands as that would make us liable"
Yes, you are a dumb ass.
No, you are the dumb ass who is trying to twist things around. Was that Third party testimony thrown out? See, they can use the tape and the testimony regarding the expletives that zimmerman was using to use demonstrate his "ill will". "To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions."
Not sure what the motorcycle avie thing is about...but I thought I would join in the party. Like my new look?
Where's your bike?
25 decided he wanted to be taken seriously so he changed his avatar to a Harley. Not one he actually know how to ride, but a Harley just the same.
I've tried to tell him that the avatar isn't what causes a man to be taken seriously, but well, you know 25...
You dream up a stupid theory & now you are an DNA expert?
Serino said he believed Zimmerman, case closed!
bad deflection attempt... where's the meds, the calls of racism, the negging?
The dna evidence was provided earlier in the trial... the proposal is just as probable as Zimmerman's story. Serino said he's either telling the truth or a pathological liar. We now know for sure that GZ is in fact a pathological liar.
More stupid lies pulled from you retard ass
The DNA expert said that Trayvon DNA would not necessarily be on the gun or holster if he grabbed it. She said it in no way proved TM did not touch the gun or holster.
What Detective Serino said IS SPECULATION ONLY.
"ill will" testimony from a 3rd party IS NOT a "necessary component in a 2nd degree murder case". You have to have DIRECT evidence of that.
The 911 dispatcher testified "we never give orders or commands as that would make us liable"
Yes, you are a dumb ass.
No, you are the dumb ass who is trying to twist things around. Was that Third party testimony thrown out? See, they can use the tape and the testimony regarding the expletives that zimmerman was using to use demonstrate his "ill will". "To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions."
Why did the prosecution call this Dr. Rao? Why would they risk her as a witness? Do they want to lose?
Check this out.
But we also found out the Mayor's Office isn't the only one with concerns. Ten years ago, this same state commission decided not to send Dr. Rao's name to the governor for re-appointment for ME in another district. According to published reports, people told the board Rao contaminated crime scenes.
We took the documents to a local attorney.
She says this could have major implications for the state.
"Anyone whose had testimony by her, a conviction, has legal grounds to file a motion to get a trial. It's going to cost taxpayers greatly," said attorney Whitney Lonker.
Medical examiner under fire|Action News - Jacksonville News, Weather & Sports - ActionNewsJax.com
If so, how is that relevant to your original question.Is that the cop who was.just suspended?
Not suspended. The investigator on the witness stand today.
Now Chris Smith and moving to the witness protection program tomorrow.
What Detective Serino said IS SPECULATION ONLY.
"ill will" testimony from a 3rd party IS NOT a "necessary component in a 2nd degree murder case". You have to have DIRECT evidence of that.
The 911 dispatcher testified "we never give orders or commands as that would make us liable"
Yes, you are a dumb ass.
No, you are the dumb ass who is trying to twist things around. Was that Third party testimony thrown out? See, they can use the tape and the testimony regarding the expletives that zimmerman was using to use demonstrate his "ill will". "To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions."
In the first question of re-cross the same officer was asked did my client sound like he meant ill will, hatred, spite or any kind of malice when he said fuckers or assholes. His answer was no I don't believe he did. The jury hears both sides of the case not just one.
If so, how is that relevant to your original question.
Not suspended. The investigator on the witness stand today.
Now Chris Smith and moving to the witness protection program tomorrow.
I did not see suspended. Does not matter in any event.
What matters is what Zimmerman said.
It's irrelevant. Zimmerman sustained injuries from a physical attack by Martin. Anyone would have been fearful under those circumstances. Thus Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force.The very same Valerie Rao who did this? Who contributed nothing significant to the case? You're taking her seriously?
Those are allegations. I didn't see where they stated that she wasn't qualified to do the job.
What does the lack of DNA on the gun and holster have to do with whether or not GZ is lying about Trayvon smothering GZ by covering his bloody nose and mouth with his hands just before he shot Trayvon? Are you saying the holster was in GZ's mouth? Huh?
Serino said he believed Zimmerman, case closed!
bad deflection attempt... where's the meds, the calls of racism, the negging?
The dna evidence was provided earlier in the trial... the proposal is just as probable as Zimmerman's story. Serino said he's either telling the truth or a pathological liar. We now know for sure that GZ is in fact a pathological liar.
The DNA expert said that Trayvon DNA would not necessarily be on the gun or holster if he grabbed it. She said it in no way proved TM did not touch the gun or holster.
No, you are the dumb ass who is trying to twist things around. Was that Third party testimony thrown out? See, they can use the tape and the testimony regarding the expletives that zimmerman was using to use demonstrate his "ill will". "To win a conviction for second-degree murder, the prosecution must convince jurors that Zimmerman acted with "ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent," and "an indifference to human life," according to Florida jury instructions."
In the first question of re-cross the same officer was asked did my client sound like he meant ill will, hatred, spite or any kind of malice when he said fuckers or assholes. His answer was no I don't believe he did. The jury hears both sides of the case not just one.
Would it matter when it comes to self defense on the ground? The left is making opinions illegal.
Interesting witness today in Dr. Rao. I was reading some comments at a newspaper website and someone was saying that Dr. Rao is under investigation by the state of Florida.
Pretty major charges.
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Action News has uncovered some major allegations inside the Medical Examiners Office.
They all center on Dr. Valerie Rao. She was appointed by the governor in 2011. But in a letter we obtained from the Mayor's Office to the state Medical Examiners Commission, the city claims employees have seen Rao using the autopsy sink to wash her feet, use her bare hands to perform procedures, even demand unnecessary autopsies to raise the bottom line.
The accusations don't stop there.
"We want the best ME possible and we've received numerous indications of issues," said the mayor's spokesman, Dave Decamp.
Decamp says there are complaints like from employees, claiming bullying and a hostile environment. "We are taking steps to improve the office, from structure to improving function," said Decamp.
Medical examiner under fire|Action News - Jacksonville News, Weather & Sports - ActionNewsJax.com
It's irrelevant. Zimmerman sustained injuries from a physical attack by Martin. Anyone would have been fearful under those circumstances. Thus Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force.Those are allegations. I didn't see where they stated that she wasn't qualified to do the job.
Who initiated the attack?
Not suspended. The investigator on the witness stand today.
Now Chris Smith and moving to the witness protection program tomorrow.
I did not see suspended. Does not matter in any event.
What matters is what Zimmerman said.
the thread is open again
