The painful truth about Ahmaud Arberry

[Muhammed]

All Gregory McMichael saw was a guy jogging past his residence

That's complete bullshit.

According to multiple eye witnesses and the video evidence, Arbery was NOT jogging.

But apparently, due to your low IQ, the fake news media has easily convinced your feeble mind that he was jogging.

The same eyewitnesses who murdered him? He's seen on video jogging away from the house under construction.

And of course you are simply lying again.

Nope, there is surveillance video from the house across the street.

Bullshit. I posted that video earlier in the thread. That video does not show Arbery jogging.

It shows Arbery walking down the street. Then stop in front of 220 Satilla. Then walk into the garage, then come out of the garage and walk around the house towards the back. Then it shows him come sprinting out the front door and head south on Satilla, towards the McMichael residence.

It does not show him jogging.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

most men are cowards that's why the average person who views these types of situations is perfectly comfortable with the notion that a citizen should never interfere with a Criminal under any circumstances but American law makes exceptions for citizens to take criminals under arrest who they have Reasonable Suspicion have committed a felony... this has been a tenet of English common law from time immemorial

* noticed none of the people defending Maude can answer the simple scenario questions

If you see a man covered in blood jumping out of your neighbor's window at 4 in the morning who Locks eyes with you and then flees in a panic are you allowed to detain him?

if you were walking around the corner and you noticed a man running from a woman's unconscious body while holding a purse are you allowed to detain him?

If you notice a disheveled man rummaging through your daughter's underwear drawer while she's fast asleep in her bed are you allowed to detain him?

In all three of these cases it's perfectly reasonable for you to detain these individuals because you have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a serious crime

A coward's interpretation of the law is that you must witness someone commits a felony in order for you to be allowed to detain them and probable cause is insufficient

When viewing one particular example it's understandable how people could get their wires crossed about the law so you have to bounce your interpretation up against a few other real-world scenarios in order to understand its validity

If I see a creepy disheveled individual staring through my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 in the morning who notices me and then panics running and jumping over The Back Fence it should be perfectly legal for me to arm myself pursue him and detain him for law enforcement because Americans have the right to defend their life liberty and property and this right certainly extends to their neighborhood as it is part of their "village" and everybody knows if you allow crime to flourish across the street it will eventually invade your home also

I got as far as this ...

* noticed none of the people defending Maude can answer the simple scenario questions​

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If you see a man covered in blood jumping out of your neighbor's window at 4 in the morning who Locks eyes with you and then flees in a panic are you allowed to detain him? ​

Seeing what you describe is nothing at all like the McMichaels' witnessed. They didn't see anyone exit a residence. They didn't see anyone with any evidence of a crime having been committed. They didn't see anyone suspiciously "lock eyes" then flee. And based on the events which actually occurred, according to Georgia law, they had no right to detail Aubrey.

§ 17-4-60​

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A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.​

If you see a man covered in blood jumping out of your neighbor's window at 4 in the morning who Locks eyes with you and then flees in a panic are you allowed to detain him?

According to that law, no. You'd have to have seen, or have immediate knowledge, that a felony was committed. I see nothing in that statute that allows for suspicion of a felony to detain someone.

That aside, again, your hypothetical still bears absolutely no resemblance to what actually occurred. The McMichaels didn't even see anything to make them suspicious that a felony had been committed. Travis McMichael saw nothing at all -- he was inside his residence. All Gregory McMichael saw was a guy jogging past his residence who he says he recognized being inside the house under construction in the past. Even that event they witnessed in the past doesn't satisfy § 17-4-60 because trespassing isn't a felony.

They had absolutely no legal recourse to detain Aubrey. And Aubrey had absolutely no obligation to stop for them. Once Travis exited his vehicle and pointed a shotgun at Aubrey, he already committed aggravated assault. At that point, if anything, Aubrey had the right to defend himself from an imminent threat to his life. The McMichaels' are fucked. And not in a good way.

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

So if I see a disheveled individual climbing out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 a.m. covered in blood who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic I'm not allowed to pursue or detain him because I did not witness him commit a felony?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

All Gregory McMichael saw was a guy jogging past his residence

That's complete bullshit.

According to multiple eye witnesses and the video evidence, Arbery was NOT jogging.

But apparently, due to your low IQ, the fake news media has easily convinced your feeble mind that he was jogging.

The same eyewitnesses who murdered him? He's seen on video jogging away from the house under construction.

And of course you are simply lying again.

Nope, there is surveillance video from the house across the street.

Bullshit. I posted that video earlier in the thread. That video does not show Arbery jogging.

It shows Arbery walking down the street. Then stop in front of 220 Satilla. Then walk into the garage, then come out of the garage and walk around the house towards the back. Then it shows him come sprinting out the front door and head south on Satilla, towards the McMichael residence.

It does not show him jogging.

As soon as Maude sees the neighbor across the street on the phone staring dead at him he Sprints out of the front door like Usain Bolt with the cheetah on his ass because he knows damn good and well a neighbor is reporting a burglary to 911

he wants to get the hell out of there before the cops show up

Why else would he attack two men with guns?

As an experienced criminal from a criminal family with several felonies and currently on parole he knew he was about to be done for intent to commit felony burglary and would be doing a bid in jail

He was very nervous because he had hit the same place several times in the last few weeks

Larry English didn't even know what the hell was in there because he likely had illegal labor using pawn shop tools

news flash for the rest of you privileged white people that don't know dick about crime or the criminal world illegal labor largely uses Black Market tools that they don't report when stolen from a job site

 

[SavannahMann]

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

Yes. And I am not alone. Judges. Current cops. Lawyers. All of them say it is illegal too. In fact two of the Defense Attorneys representing the Defendants agree it is illegal.

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

So if I see a disheveled individual climbing out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 a.m. covered in blood who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic I'm not allowed to pursue or detain him because I did not witness him commit a felony?

Correct. Welcome to Georgia. Obey the law and mind your business. Want to help? Turn the kiddie porn off in your phone and start recording so the cops can find the guy and arrest him legally. Stop the delusions of your getting on Fox as the Hero of the Week.

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

All Gregory McMichael saw was a guy jogging past his residence

That's complete bullshit.

According to multiple eye witnesses and the video evidence, Arbery was NOT jogging.

But apparently, due to your low IQ, the fake news media has easily convinced your feeble mind that he was jogging.

The same eyewitnesses who murdered him? He's seen on video jogging away from the house under construction.

And of course you are simply lying again.

Nope, there is surveillance video from the house across the street.

yeah

That's the one that catches mod sprinting out the front door

You know like a normal jogger.... they Sprint right out their front door and into the street without looking for cars

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

Yes. And I am not alone. Judges. Current cops. Lawyers. All of them say it is illegal too. In fact two of the Defense Attorneys representing the Defendants agree it is illegal.

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

So if I see a disheveled individual climbing out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 a.m. covered in blood who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic I'm not allowed to pursue or detain him because I did not witness him commit a felony?

Correct. Welcome to Georgia. Obey the law and mind your business. Want to help? Turn the kiddie porn off in your phone and start recording so the cops can find the guy and arrest him legally. Stop the delusions of your getting on Fox as the Hero of the Week.

I always thought Georgia was a disgusting backwards piece of crap place but I never believed it was so hopeless that it would allow criminals to run rampant

I may have been wrong but I always got a queasy feeling driving through the place

(shudder)

if I had to guess you southern sissys are overreacting to your International redneck status and simply overcompensating trying to look "woke"

On the for real tho you just got dick smacked by Oprah and brown-nosing hardcore for cab money

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

Yes. And I am not alone. Judges. Current cops. Lawyers. All of them say it is illegal too. In fact two of the Defense Attorneys representing the Defendants agree it is illegal.

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

So if I see a disheveled individual climbing out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 a.m. covered in blood who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic I'm not allowed to pursue or detain him because I did not witness him commit a felony?

Correct. Welcome to Georgia. Obey the law and mind your business. Want to help? Turn the kiddie porn off in your phone and start recording so the cops can find the guy and arrest him legally. Stop the delusions of your getting on Fox as the Hero of the Week.

what would have happened to maud if he just stood his ground?

 

[KingGUERRILLA]

I can see why Georgia's embarrassed and wants to look woke by sucking up to the BLM propaganda nutsack, Oprah said it's a fact so that's thats its a shame they lack the spine to act like a civilized state and don't blame every interracial interaction on hate

 

[Dremco]

It's unlikely any other case in recent history has inspired more misinformation as media Outlets clearly have an incentive to racialize and dramatized every incident that comes their way

the simple fact is arberry was a well-known local Petty Criminal who was caught casing out a house that had suffered a string of recent burglaries and fled like a thief when he was confronted by the neighbor

The McMichaels weren't a couple of hillbillies sitting on their front porch downing canned beer when an innocent black jogger happened by

they are BOTH former professional law enforcement agents who recognized the local Petty Criminal hauling ass up the street from the video Larry English had captured after installing a security system and no trespassing sign due to the burglaries and may have been alerted by the first neighbor who had called 911 when he saw arberry illegally enter the crime scene and subsequently bolt when he realized he'd been caught

Per Georgia law they armed themselves and engaged in a Pursuit while on the phone with 911 and continued to relay the criminals position to the responding officers

At one point Arberry decided he was going to attack the McMichaels and ran towards Travis grabbing his shotgun and punching him in the face numerous times committing a felony assault

In fact it was so obvious a simple self-defense shooting that they couldn't even determine whether or not Travis had pulled the trigger intentionally or not as when an attacking person is pulling on a long gun it is perfectly plausible that they themselves set the fire arm off

The notion that a couple of vigilante Hillbillies set upon an innocent black jogger and gunned him down in the street is a complete joke

The fact is Arberry committed a crime by entering a residence with a no trespassing sign and then bolted when confronted thus providing reasonable suspicion that he was in fact the person they recognized from the videos and a prior encounter Travis had with him. In fact Gregory McMichael knew arberry because he had worked on one of his previous crimes

It's absolutely hilarious that mainstream media Outlets can get away with a false narrative and an edited video designed to convince people that these two men are bloodthirsty murderers who decided to hunt down an innocent black jogger, if they had planned to murder a jogger they certainly wouldn't have used a shotgun with a less-lethal round then is a available at Walmart to do so.

It certainly is a shame that businesses who have suffered damage due to riots can't sue these media outlets for false information leading to the violence and destruction that has crippled their

Dotard lost. Get over it hillbilly.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

Soon after three white males conjoined that afternoon to commit malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment, there has been no reports of a black male fitting AA’s description committing any crimes or being a suspect of any crime or theft or burglary of any property immediately preceding the aforementioned crime spree listed above. Therefore it was impossible for any of the three white males to have immediate knowledge that the black male they were attacking was a suspect of committing a felony crime?

It’s impossible to have knowledge of a crime that did not happen, so it is an impossible defense.

A young black male was executed without arrest it trial for committing no crime whosoever.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

At one point Arberry decided he was going to attack the McMichaels and ran towards Travis grabbing his shotgun and punching him in the face numerous times committing a felony assault

What were you doing wherever you live at the same exact moment when that image existed in real life that you were able through ESP to avail yourself ITV the thought that went through AA’s mind right then. Quite the gifts you have. Reading the mind of an unknown black guy out for a jog in a small community in Georgia.

And the gift of seeing through sheet metal, seats, and an engine compartment such that you know exactly what happened right here during that one second that the first shot was fired hitting AA in the lower chest.

You are one gifted racist.

 

[SavannahMann]

So you think it's illegal to detain someone who a former professional law enforcement agent knows (has immediate knowledge) is suspected in a felony crime?

Yes. And I am not alone. Judges. Current cops. Lawyers. All of them say it is illegal too. In fact two of the Defense Attorneys representing the Defendants agree it is illegal.

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

So if I see a disheveled individual climbing out of my neighbors daughter's bedroom window at 4 a.m. covered in blood who locks eyes with me and then flees in a panic I'm not allowed to pursue or detain him because I did not witness him commit a felony?

Correct. Welcome to Georgia. Obey the law and mind your business. Want to help? Turn the kiddie porn off in your phone and start recording so the cops can find the guy and arrest him legally. Stop the delusions of your getting on Fox as the Hero of the Week.

I always thought Georgia was a disgusting backwards piece of crap place but I never believed it was so hopeless that it would allow criminals to run rampant

I may have been wrong but I always got a queasy feeling driving through the place

(shudder)

if I had to guess you southern sissys are overreacting to your International redneck status and simply overcompensating trying to look "woke"

On the for real tho you just got dick smacked by Oprah and brown-nosing hardcore for cab money

Again you toss accusations around to people who are obeying the established law. Laws that have been on the books for decades. Laws that were debated and discussed for years in courtrooms across the state. Some of them have been on the books for half a century. Or more.

I honestly do not understand the hostility. For years now we keep hearing how Conservatives are good and decent law abiding people. Now abiding by the law is something only a liberal would do.

Nobody on this message board wrote the laws. Those people are certainly long dead. I doubt that any Judges who established the precedence are still alive.

Roddy’s attorney says the McMichaels broke the law. Greg’s attorney says that yes Travis broke the law. Both of them are arguing you can’t hold their client responsible for the criminal conduct of Travis.

But let’s answer your question. If I had seen this murder take place. The first instinct would have been to pull my own weapon and shoot Travis for committing the murder. It would have been wrong though. I wouldn’t have placed him under citizens arrest. That isn’t my duty either.

My duty as a citizen is to report the truth to the best of my ability to the authorities.

You said if I saw someone coming out of a house. What would I do? Well if you were my neighbor I’d begin by hoping my eyeglasses were not on. That way I couldn’t identify the public servant who had eliminated another piece of trash from societies gutter.

But if I was wearing my glasses, I would tell the truth to the cops. Do my level best to pick the baddie out of a lineup. And testify to the best of my ability when the trial came up.

That is my duty as a Citizen. Not to chase someone down. Nor confront him.

My duty to my family can not be met if I am in prison. So by knowing and obeying the law I avoid that outcome. Yet according to you I am the fool. The idiot. The good law abiding citizen. Who is apparently liberal.

You have the same choices as the McMichaels. You go do what you want. But don’t cry when someone takes issue with your criminal behavior. But absolutely argue with your attorney when he says the evidence is clear. You did it. And you broke the law doing it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

TRAVIS MCMICHAEL, GREG MCMICHAEL and WILLIAM R BRYAN are poster children of False Imprisonment under Georgia Law. 26296409 reply to 26294441

At what point in the video do you believe you see Travis McMichael pointing a shotgun at maud?

We have. But a perfectly aimed shotgun is not critical to convict TRAVIS MCMICHAEL, GREG MCMICHAEL and WILLIAM R BRYAN, individually and as parties of False Imprisonment for violating the personal liberty of Ahmaud Arbery, by unlawfully confining and detaining Ahmaud Arbery without legal authority.

Count 8 is not based upon the use or position of the shotgun. The accused did chase Ahmaud Artery with a Ford F-150 pickup truck and a Chevy Silverado pickup truck through the public roadways of the Satilla Shores neighborhood and did confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery on Holmes Drive using said pickup trucks.

COUNT8
and the Grand Jurors, aforesaid, in the name and behalf of the citizens of Georgia, further charge and accuse TRAVIS MCMICHAEL, GREG MCMICHAEL and WILLIAM R BRYAN, individually and as parties concerned in the commission of a crime, with the offense of FALSE IMPRISONMENT, O.C.G.A. 16-5-41, for that the said accused person, in the County of Glynn and State of Georgia, on or about the 23rd day of February, 2020, in violation of the personal liberty of Ahmaud Arbery, did unlawfully confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery without legal authority, to wit: said accused did chase Ahmaud Artery with a Ford F-150 pickup truck and a Chevy Silverado pickup truck through the public roadways of the Satilla Shores neighborhood and did confine and detain Ahmaud Arbery on Holmes Drive using said pickup trucks, contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace and dignity thereof.

https://www.wsav.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/75/2020/06/INDICTMENT-IN-ARBERY-CASE.pdf

 

[NotfooledbyW]

AA was unarmed, no threat,

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AA was shot and bleeding from the chest . right here;

AA was unarmed, not a threat until he was shot. And TM has admitted to firing the first shot.

COUNT6
and the Grand Jurors, aforesaid, in the name and behalf of the citizens of Georgia, further charge and accuse TRAVIS MCMICHAEL, GREG MCMICHAEL and WILLIAM R BRYAN, individually and as parties concerned in the commission of a crime, with the offense of AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, O.C.G.A. 16-5-21, for that the said accused person, in the County of Glynn and State of Georgia, on or about the 23rd day of February, 2020, did make an assault upon the person of Ahmaud Arbery with a frrearm, deadly weapon, to wit: a 12 gauge shotgun, contrary to the laws of said State, the good order, peace and dignity thereof.

 

[Muhammed]

I’m sure GBI has this analyzed and enhanced and I’ll bet they can determine with certainty that TMs back foot was a full truck length out in front of the bumper.

Look at the shadow of Gregory McMichael. He is not a full truck length in front of the truck.

That is a 13th generation Ford F-150 with a regular cab and short box. It's length is 209.3 inches.

You are a fucking liar. Why are you lying to the USMB forum?

 

[Muhammed]

American law makes exceptions for citizens to take criminals under arrest who they have Reasonable Suspicion have committed a felony

Neither you, nor anyone else in this thread, has provided even a shred of evidence to show that Travis McMichael ever attempted to arrest Arbery.

One can successfully argue in court that ordering someone to stop fleeing a crime scene is in fact an arrest

You can also argue that 2+2=5.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Look at the shadow of Gregory McMichael. He is not a full truck length in front of the truck.

So how far is AA’s foot on the centerline if you had to guess?

 

[Muhammed]

The McMichaels broke this law. Roddy Broke this law. Their attorneys admit this. Roddy’s attorney says Roddy did not know the pursuit and attempt to stop was illegal. He believed the McMichaels were acting within the law. So Roddys attorney says that Roddys actions should be excused because he was acting in good faith.

Let me repeat that. Roddy’s attorney says that the McMichaels were breaking the law. He admits that Roddy did too. But that Roddy should be excused because he had no way of knowing the McMichaels were acting in a criminal manner.

Here there is a ton of precedence. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Roddy is a moron.

Cop: He actually exits outta the passenger side, goes to the front of the truck with a handgun.

Roddy: mmm hmmm..

Cop: At some point, the gentleman...

Roddy:... I didn't see him get out the truck but he had to get outta the passenger side, OK go ahead.

Just the tiniest suggestion from the cop made Bryan agree with him that GM got out of the passenger side and went around to the front of the truck, in a split second.

We know from the video evidence that the elder McMichael certainly did not get out of the passenger side and go around to the front of the truck. He was actually standing in the bed of the truck talking on the phone with the police dispatcher, then clambered over the tailgate of he truck and went around to the driver's side of the truck.

That shows that Roddy is extremely suggestible. A clear sign of low intelligence.

anyone can make a minor mistake in a interview under stress however the information they give right after the incident is usually more reliable than the information they give after they've been threatened with death and have lawyers whispering in their ear

Bryan didn't make a minor mistake during the interview. The cop made a major mistake during the interview by suggesting to him that Gregory McMichael exited the passenger side of the truck and went around to the front of the truck with a handgun when Arbery was shot.

That's not what happened.

Gregory McMichael was still standing in the bed of the truck talking to the dispatcher on Travis McMichael's cell phone when all three shots are fired.

William Bryan is so fucking stupid that if the cop suggested that a flying saucer came out of the sky and an alien jumped out and zapped Arbery with a ray gun, Arbery probably would have agreed with him.

He's as stupid as the idiots in this thread who are so fucking suggestible that they believe that the McMichaels told the cops that they were attempting to detain or arrest Arbery, just because they heard someone on the fake news say so.

He's as stupid as the idiots who believe the fake news reports which falsely claim that two white men shot a black jogger.

Retarded people are very suggestible.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Look at the shadow of Gregory McMichael. He is not a full truck length in front of the truck.

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So how far is AA’s foot on the centerline if you had to guess?

You should not call me a liar since you don’t understand the poor quality of depth perception within a photo.

AAs foot is easily 18 ft from the front bumper if the distance from the bumper shadow to the open door shadow is about six feet.

 

[Muhammed]

Look at the shadow of Gregory McMichael. He is not a full truck length in front of the truck.

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So how far is AA’s foot on the centerline if you had to guess?

Neither of his feet are on the centerline.