The Prez is immoral, get a load of this

[Psychoblues]

I didn't ask for any defense of FoxNews. Why would you imply that I did? By the lack of response, however, I must assume that messing with me was the objective.

Let's go on to the Nazi thing that you propose. The Nazi's were certainly German right wingers, traditionalists if you will. Through the Nazi beliefs came the fascist order that was certainly alive and working well for 12 years or so in Germany. Now, I don't propose for a moment that American right wingers are Nazi (even though the KKK, the Aryan Nations, the Concerned Citizens Council, the White Power movement in general and hundreds of other exclusively white organizations certainly are Nazi) but I do propose that right wingers are generally fascist as they support more corporate and Governmental influence and interference in the freedoms of common working Americans. Now, as fascism does exist in America and considering the fascist nature of general right wing philosophy and the inclusion of all the aforementioned in the right political wing of our very wonderful government, would it not be fair to call them all Nazi's? Nay, I didn't think so, but it is worth consideration as to the motivations of some to somehow control all things about the others. Am I making myself clear to you?


Psychoblues

He doesn't have to defend FoxNews. You havent attacked it. Contrary to what you think, stating FoxNews is bad is not a credible attack.

If I said you were Nazi, you wouldnt have to defend such a ridiculous attack because I havent established anything.

 

[Gunny]

I didn't ask for any defense of FoxNews. Why would you imply that I did? By the lack of response, however, I must assume that messing with me was the objective.

Let's go on to the Nazi thing that you propose. The Nazi's were certainly German right wingers, traditionalists if you will. Through the Nazi beliefs came the fascist order that was certainly alive and working well for 12 years or so in Germany. Now, I don't propose for a moment that American right wingers are Nazi (even though the KKK, the Aryan Nations, the Concerned Citizens Council, the White Power movement in general and hundreds of other exclusively white organizations certainly are Nazi) but I do propose that right wingers are generally fascist as they support more corporate and Governmental influence and interference in the freedoms of common working Americans. Now, as fascism does exist in America and considering the fascist nature of general right wing philosophy and the inclusion of all the aforementioned in the right political wing of our very wonderful government, would it not be fair to call them all Nazi's? Nay, I didn't think so, but it is worth consideration as to the motivations of some to somehow control all things about the others. Am I making myself clear to you?


Psychoblues

Aren't you the bright one. Only one problem with that long-winded theory ... fascism is actually a result fo going to too far left, not right.

Bet you were gear guard in the barracks during final drill, huh?

 

[Avatar4321]

I didn't ask for any defense of FoxNews. Why would you imply that I did? By the lack of response, however, I must assume that messing with me was the objective.

Let's go on to the Nazi thing that you propose. The Nazi's were certainly German right wingers, traditionalists if you will. Through the Nazi beliefs came the fascist order that was certainly alive and working well for 12 years or so in Germany. Now, I don't propose for a moment that American right wingers are Nazi (even though the KKK, the Aryan Nations, the Concerned Citizens Council, the White Power movement in general and hundreds of other exclusively white organizations certainly are Nazi) but I do propose that right wingers are generally fascist as they support more corporate and Governmental influence and interference in the freedoms of common working Americans. Now, as fascism does exist in America and considering the fascist nature of general right wing philosophy and the inclusion of all the aforementioned in the right political wing of our very wonderful government, would it not be fair to call them all Nazi's? Nay, I didn't think so, but it is worth consideration as to the motivations of some to somehow control all things about the others. Am I making myself clear to you?


Psychoblues

Hate to break this to you, but the Nazis are on the left. They call themselves socialists for a raeson.

 

[MtnBiker]

I didn't ask for any defense of FoxNews. Why would you imply that I did? By the lack of response, however, I must assume that messing with me was the objective.

You have yet to support in any way that Fox News reported President Bush lied. I am not defending Fox News or "messing" with you. I am holding you accountable for a statement you made.

 

[cygonaut]

 

[cygonaut]

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[Dr Grump]

Only one problem with that long-winded theory ... fascism is actually a result fo going to too far left, not right.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

(my bold)

 

[Gunny]

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

(my bold)

Yeah, really.

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

The bolded portion would apply directly to you left-wingers.

BTW, Wikipedia kinda sucks.

 

[jillian]

Facism is what happens when right-wingers get too comfy-cozy with corporations. It's the direct antithesis of communiism.

 

[jillian]

Yeah, really.




http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

The bolded portion would apply directly to you left-wingers.

BTW, Wikipedia kinda sucks.

And your point? Communism envisions the dissolution of the state...again, the opposite of facism.

 

[Annie]

And your point? Communism envisions the dissolution of the state...again, the opposite of facism.

You mean like Poland, East Germany, etc? All put under the banner of USSR?

 

[jillian]

You mean like Poland, East Germany, etc? All put under the banner of USSR?

They were never pure communist states. That was the ultimate fallacy of communism...thinking that anyone in power would ever give up that power willingly.

 

[Annie]

They were never pure communist states. That was the ultimate fallacy of communism...thinking that anyone in power would ever give up that power willingly.

So Germany came closer to communism than Stalin. Hurray for him.

 

[Gunny]

And your point? Communism envisions the dissolution of the state...again, the opposite of facism.

Now let's apply reality to it. DID communism achieve the disolution of the state? No.

When comparing liberal and conservative idealism, which set of ideals resembles fascism more closely? Liberalism does. Cradle to grave state control of everything.

As opposed to the core belief by conservatives that as little government as possible the better, and governing at the lowest level.

 

[Psychoblues]

So, you prefer the Corporate/Government control as opposed to the power of the people? I don't believe for a moment that you understand anything about fascism. That's OK. I am well aware of your dis-inclined for the people attitude.


Psychoblues

Now let's apply reality to it. DID communism achieve the disolution of the state? No.

When comparing liberal and conservative idealism, which set of ideals resembles fascism more closely? Liberalism does. Cradle to grave state control of everything.

As opposed to the core belief by conservatives that as little government as possible the better, and governing at the lowest level.

 

[Gunny]

So, you prefer the Corporate/Government control as opposed to the power of the people? I don't believe for a moment that you understand anything about fascism. That's OK. I am well aware of your dis-inclined for the people attitude.


Psychoblues

I prefer complete morons like you have as little voice in government as possible, and as long as close to 50% of the people in this Nation swing your way, Hell yes I believe in having a government. It's like having attendants at an insane asylum only on a larger scale.

 

[trobinett]

I prefer complete morons like you have as little voice in government as possible, and as long as close to 50% of the people in this Nation swing your way, Hell yes I believe in having a government. It's like having attendants at an insane asylum only on a larger scale.

Seems like a reasonable plan, as long as the "attendants" are schooled in the fine art of PAIN.

Next...............:bat:

 

[Psychoblues]

You really got some shit for brains, don't you, trobby. Someday you may need an attendant or two. I hope you get your wish.


Psychoblues

Seems like a reasonable plan, as long as the "attendants" are schooled in the fine art of PAIN.

Next...............:bat:

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Aren't you the bright one. Only one problem with that long-winded theory ... fascism is actually a result fo going to too far left, not right.

Bet you were gear guard in the barracks during final drill, huh?

No gunny. Fascism is the union of big business and government, and it doesn't matter if its achieved by government taking over business, or business taking over government.

 

[Gunny]

No gunny. Fascism is the union of big business and government, and it doesn't matter if its achieved by government taking over business, or business taking over government.

Fascism, as practiced in the 20th century, was state control of everything, to include business. Everything was subordinate to the state. "Big business" benefits ONLY if the state allows it to.

For instance, in Bazi Germany, Jews were big players on the financial business side of things. The state dispossessed them through force of arms.

Socialism, in its purest form, will never happen, not even in the la-la land liberal utopian idealistic quagmire. Even there, the liberals see themselves as the intellectually elite who need to tell others what's best for them; thereby, creating the rift in class structure which is not supposed to exist in socialism.

Fascism, in reality, mirrors the goals of the far-left.