The question must be asked...

[Pogo]

Not really. I'm not Christian. They aren't "my people". It's not my religion. I don't have one.

I know they're not. You already self-identified as an agnostic. Don't take it personally.

Islamic jihad revolves around an archaic, fundamentalist reading of their texts. It REVOLVES around it. It is the foremost impetus of their actions. There are other political factors involved, but their terrorism is as lethal as it is because they have a genuine belief in martyrdom and paradise, leaving them unafraid of death.

That's just not the case. You touched on what is the case --- "political factors". As I just noted above, any skilled political mob manipulator can make his sheeple believe it's what Allah wants, just as the Klan could convince its own sheeple that it really is what God wants to lynch a Jew. And yes, no question it is a "genuine belief". That's the whole problem of sheeple.

With the KKK, Christianity is a tool. Their ideology revolves around racial superiority, which has nothing to do with the bible. At least, not in a modern-day context.

Absolutely it's a tool. And kind of an effective one, which is one of the side effects of investing that much magic in a book totem that remains open to interpretation by any manipulator who can convince enough blind followers that he has all the answers -- in other words a skilled salesman.

Again, the Klan saw itself as a moral police force, not just race. They went after gamblers, adulterers, bad debt holders, drinkers and various others (labor unions, Jews, Catholics and later, communists) that had nothing to do with race. That the bible doesn't specifically tell them to pull a woman out of her house and whip her for not going to church is irrelevant to the fact that they CLAIM it as a basis.

There are similarities, but the motivations are very different. We just disagree on the extent to which Islam plays a role in Islamic terror. I think it plays a large role. By itself, maybe it would just remain a conflict between Shiite and Sunni. But throw in the political factors, and now they're bombing white people in Paris. It changes the game, but the violence inherent in the text would still remain regardless.

Pfft. There's more violence in the Old Testes than any book ever written, from smiting everybody in sight to outright genocide to giving up one's own daughters to a rape squad to dashing babies' heads against the rocks to stoning people to death. Again, any slick salesman can use that to either bless babies or to dash their heads against the rocks. The book being used as a tool is profoundly irrelevant. It's the sales pitch, by that flashy guy who is very much alive and animated, that does the damage.

 

[Pogo]

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

Post a video of him doing it.

BLM is an anti police brutality movement .

Bullshit, they're an anti white, anti law and order movement. The police brutality part is the way they try to justify it.

Really? Then explain how they have so many white members ?

Weak, self loathing white liberals who feel guilty for what the Democrats did to black people for 400 years.

A neat trick since Democrats haven't even existed for even two hundred years.

 

[John Shaw]

The difference being, the bible is not said to be the actual word of God. Whereas the Quran is. It's a lot easier to bend the rules when you can justify it with, "Oh, well that was a long time ago. Those guys were just primitive and misinterpreted God."

Rather than, "Uh ... this is what God said, so ... kinda have to stick with that, yeah??"

Which is why you don't see Christians regularly blowing themselves up in the name of God.

The bible also didn't have a messianic figure like Muhammad in it. Who was indeed a warlord and a rapist.

 

[Timmy]

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

Post a video of him doing it.

BLM is an anti police brutality movement .

Bullshit, they're an anti white, anti law and order movement. The police brutality part is the way they try to justify it.

Really? Then explain how they have so many white members ?

Weak, self loathing white liberals who feel guilty for what the Democrats did to black people for 400 years.

What "conservatives " have done . The conservative/ liberal split has been steady , even if party names have changed .

 

[BlueGin]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

 

[Pogo]

Trump needs their votes.

Pretty much.

Trump is also loath to condemn his fellow hatful bigots.

And Trump is in fact a bigot and nativist – his hateful comments about Hispanics, the Muslim travel ban, the banning of transgender Americans from the military, and Trump’s unwarranted desire to limit legal immigration are examples and proof of Trump’s bigotry and hatred; the same bigotry and hatred practiced by the Klan, white nationalists, and the neo-Nazis.

"Trump is a bigot and a nativist" - You don't know this.

"... his hateful comments about Hispanics ..." - While ignorant and unwise, did have a grain of truth to them.

"... the Muslim ban ..." - While probably not very intelligent, there's also a good reason for wanting to bring in fewer Muslims.

" ... the banning of transgender Americans from the military ..." - Also pragmatic reasons for that, whether you agree with them or not.

"... Trump's unwarranted desire to limit legal immigration ..." - Can also be explained fairly easily in practical terms.

Your argument is hollow and pathetic, to be honest.

Signed,
A detractor of Trump

Actually I was about to jump in on this as related to the other thing.

"Trump is a bigot and a nativist" - You don't know this.

I agree. Absolutely no one (I hope) is a biglier detractor of Orange Rumpy than myself, but I have to say I have no evidence that Rump is personally a racist, or a religious bigot. He may be, but I have no such evidence. What we have abundant evidence of is that he's a race BAITER and a religious bigot BAITER. A master baiter in fact. While he may or may not personally espouse such extreme bigotry, that's not his point. He knows that his target does espouse that bigotry, so that's where he lays the bait.

Again --- like the bible, like the Quran, like Colonel Joe Simmons, whether he himself embodies those traits matters not a whit ---- what matters is that he can manipulate those who do.

A perfect example -- the Birfer thing. Remember the Birfer thing? It was an obsession until it no longer served a purpose as bait, then it became an Unevent that never happened and suddenly didn't matter.

And that's even worse, since it means he/they have no personal principles and are willing to say anything if it means attaining votes, followers, soldiers, Klan memberships, whatever the self-serving prize is. And they'll use the Bible... the Quran... the burning cross.... the fear of immigrants .... whatever makes Pavlov's dog salivate. They don't even care.

 

[John Shaw]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure they will. The "alternative facts".

I bet you when it officially comes out that this guy was a Nazi sympathizer, you won't hear a peep about it from Trump.

Trump already "peeped" about it, he just didn't automatically place blame like the left is doing now. Don't pretend you are a mind reader. When all the facts are out, then judge Trump on what he says--not what you think he's going to say.

I guess we'll find out, won't we?

Yes we will, and I believe it will be to your disappointment.

 

[Timmy]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Have you tried their webpage ?

Hey, it's a grass roots org, it's not like they can prevent crazies from showing up . But their mission is not hateful.


Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia

 

[BlueGin]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Not tricky at all ...it was founded by a cop killer. It's followers quote propaganda written by cop killers at their rallies. Their followers and members support violence against police and call for violence against white citizens.

 

[John Shaw]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Not tricky at all ...it was founded by a cop killer. It's followers quote propaganda written by cop killers at their rallies. Their followers and members support violence against police and call for violence against white citizens.

Founded by a cop-killer, what? Surely that would've made the news if true. Post a credible link; I'm not fishing through conspiracy theory websites to verify this shit.

As for the rest of your comment, it's a hydra. Many different people who want many different things. There are most likely extremist pockets of the group, just like there are people who do their (rather annoying) protesting bit and then go home, people without a violent bone in their body.

 

[Pogo]

The difference being, the bible is not said to be the actual word of God.

Actually I believe it is said to be that.

Whereas the Quran is. It's a lot easier to bend the rules when you can justify it with, "Oh, well that was a long time ago. Those guys were just primitive and misinterpreted God."

Rather than, "Uh ... this is what God said, so ... kinda have to stick with that, yeah??"

Which is why you don't see Christians regularly blowing themselves up in the name of God.

Ever hear of the IRA? Or Tim McVeigh?

he bible also didn't have a messianic figure like Muhammad in it. Who was indeed a warlord and a rapist.

According to -----? This board?

 

[Timmy]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Not tricky at all ...it was founded by a cop killer. It's followers quote propaganda written by cop killers at their rallies. Their followers and members support violence against police and call for violence against white citizens.

That bs . How can a cop killer start anything ? Wouldn't they be in jail? Who are you talking about .

There mission is anti police brutality GASP!

 

[John Shaw]

The difference being, the bible is not said to be the actual word of God.

Actually I believe it is said to be that.

Whereas the Quran is. It's a lot easier to bend the rules when you can justify it with, "Oh, well that was a long time ago. Those guys were just primitive and misinterpreted God."

Rather than, "Uh ... this is what God said, so ... kinda have to stick with that, yeah??"

Which is why you don't see Christians regularly blowing themselves up in the name of God.

Ever hear of the IRA? Or Tim McVeigh?

he bible also didn't have a messianic figure like Muhammad in it. Who was indeed a warlord and a rapist.

According to -----? This board?

The bible is not the word of God. There are parts that are, like the ten commandments, but most of it is second-hand accounts written by normal men, and doesn't pretend to be anything more than that.

The fact that you don't know this is kind of making me doubt your capacity to have this conversation. I'm not one of those agnostics/atheists who goes and scarfs down all the religious texts just to rip on them, but even I know that much.

The IRA was motivated by a hatred for the English, IIRC.

McVeigh did not kill in the name of God either. In fact ...

"In McVeigh's biography American Terrorist, released in 2002, he stated that he did not believe in a hell and that science is hisreligion. In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying himself as agnostic."

 

[BlueGin]

Did Obama condemn Black Lives Matter (or Muslim terrorists)? You're a hypocrite.

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Not tricky at all ...it was founded by a cop killer. It's followers quote propaganda written by cop killers at their rallies. Their followers and members support violence against police and call for violence against white citizens.

That bs . How can a cop killer start anything ? Wouldn't they be in jail? Who are you talking about .

There mission is anti police brutality GASP!

You sheep really need to learn who you blindly support.

Baaaa

Inspiration Behind ‘Black Lives Matter’ is on the FBI’s ‘Most Wanted Terrorists’ List

 

[Uncensored2008]

what is wrong with Trump ? Here's a guy who tweets more about brits being run over by terrorists , than he does armeicans being run over .

Here's the guy who complained that pols would say "Islamic terrorists " . And he can't even crap on neo nazis? How hard is that? They have "nazi" in their name ! If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on, it's that nazis are bad !!!

Dog whistle heard loud n clear.

Why are you Stalinists such fucking liars?

{"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides," }

Lying cocksucker.

 

[Pogo]

The difference being, the bible is not said to be the actual word of God.

Actually I believe it is said to be that.

Whereas the Quran is. It's a lot easier to bend the rules when you can justify it with, "Oh, well that was a long time ago. Those guys were just primitive and misinterpreted God."

Rather than, "Uh ... this is what God said, so ... kinda have to stick with that, yeah??"

Which is why you don't see Christians regularly blowing themselves up in the name of God.

Ever hear of the IRA? Or Tim McVeigh?

he bible also didn't have a messianic figure like Muhammad in it. Who was indeed a warlord and a rapist.

According to -----? This board?

The bible is not the word of God. There are parts that are, like the ten commandments, but most of it is second-hand accounts written by normal men, and doesn't pretend to be anything more than that.

The fact that you don't know this is kind of making me doubt your capacity to have this conversation. I'm not one of those agnostics/atheists who goes and scarfs down all the religious texts just to rip on them, but even I know that much.

Sounds like you're bailing out. Just say so.
I grew up Christian. I know damn well what it preaches, thank you very much.

 

[John Shaw]

Well pretty much your whole comment was wrong. So ... I mean, I can't really move past it. It's just flat-out wrong. I made some adjustments to my previous comment to further illustrate that point.

 

[BULLDOG]

Does Christianity preach white supremacy? Yes or no?

I'm agnostic, so I don't really have a horse in the race, but trying to say that Christianity is the impetus of white supremacy, rather than just one of its many tools, is quite disingenuous.

If they actually follow the teachings of Jesus, there is no place for racism in Christianity. Many claim the name for political purposes, and twist any phrase they can find in the bible to justify their hate or greed.

 

[John Shaw]

Obama condemned Islamic terrorists all the time .

BLM is an anti police brutality movement . They don't compare to neonazis .

BLM is a domestic terrorist organization that openly calls for the murder of police and white citizens. They most certainly DO compare.

Nice try, but no. Some of its members may have spouted off hate messages like this, but the group does not officially promote hate or violence. Quite the opposite.

BLM is a tricky beast. It's such a shitshow, headless hydra of a beast that it's hard to pin down exactly what its platform is or what it wants to achieve. Quite unlike the white supremacists. Their interests are clear as day.

Not tricky at all ...it was founded by a cop killer. It's followers quote propaganda written by cop killers at their rallies. Their followers and members support violence against police and call for violence against white citizens.

That bs . How can a cop killer start anything ? Wouldn't they be in jail? Who are you talking about .

There mission is anti police brutality GASP!

You sheep really need to learn who you blindly support.

Baaaa

Inspiration Behind ‘Black Lives Matter’ is on the FBI’s ‘Most Wanted Terrorists’ List

Infowars. Of course it is.

I said a credible source, not the least credible source you can possibly find.