The real reason Trump fired Comey (simpler than you think)

[Billo_Really]

Yes and since most don't pay taxes and live 20 to a house. They can work for almost nothing. Costing Americans jobs.

I won't even take a job for less than $25/hr.

 

[Billo_Really]

By working cheaper than our fellow Americans?

They are not all minimum wage workers. They could be doctors and engineers escaping the tyranny in their country.

 

[koshergrl]

By working cheaper than our fellow Americans?

They are not all minimum wage workers. They could be doctors and engineers escaping the tyranny in their country.

hahahaha

yeah, right. We have a lit of illegal licensed docs.

you're an idiot. Just saying. We do let refugees in, btw. Legally.

most illegal are illegal because they are criminals in their own countries and they are running from the law THERE. They are illegal because they don't want to be arrested for the other crimes they have committed. Or because they are greedy and don't want to pay taxes or pay the money it takes to process the paperwork.

 

[yiostheoy]

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[Qball]

To get this back on topic:

I just don't think a lot of people understand the concept of not caring about the opinions of people who hate you. Trump knows it looks suspicious for him to fire Comey the way he did. He doesn't care because he knows, at the end of the day, congressional Democrats and a large swath of the media are going to believe he colluded with Russia to cheat Hillary out of winning the election. He knows they don't care about the truth, which is that Hillary's ass loss fair and square and she's not that great of a campaigner regardless how many deals she makes and breaks she's given for political gaffes. So why bother even playing their game?

It's like trying to date a woman who has already said she doesn't find you attractive. No, you shouldn't call her a bitch and give her the finger, but you'd be wasting your time trying to force her to like you.

Trump isn't perfect, but the primary reason people hate him is because he talked shit the entire election cycle and still managed to win. Democrats will never really give him a fair chance because it doesn't help their cause to have a sober reaction to him. So Trump has to be his own man and do what he feels is right, because we're not in a place where both sides are willing to be on their best behavior. It seems like that's lost on everybody in the world except Donald Trump...and that's exactly why he won.

 

[busybee01]

I've heard and read a lot of analysis about the Comey firing this week. I think most of it is a breathless and overworked. The reason Trump fired Comey, and the reason he did so in the way he did, is simple: He wanted to give the finger to Comey and anybody else who thinks he colluded with Russia to win the election.

We've been talking about a possible Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy for, what, almost eight months? Really since about ten minutes after Trump beat the odds and won the election, people have been seeking to undermine his win. Trump might be petty (as hell) and impetuous, but he's pragmatic, and has clearly demonstrated good political instincts.

Trump's thoughts on this is that he knows deep down that he did nothing wrong. He didn't call up Putin or anybody else and have them "meddle" in the election. He's probably still skeptical it was even Russia who was behind the DNC being hacked, and even if it was a hack and Russia did it, Hillary managed to win 2.5 million more votes than him in the election but she couldn't pull off 100K between three states she barely bothered to campaign in.

He was pissed off that Comey won't simply go on record and say what he knows is true and what Comey has told him, which is that while Trump was implicated in the narrative simply because it was a political controversy, they have found no evidence of collusion on his part, and he is no longer being investigated. He won't correct the narrative by saying that this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal one (the difference being the latter has a legal framework and strings attached that require the FBI, at some point, wrap up the investigation; the former can go on in perpetuity since they're dealing with hostile foreign actors). In addition, per Sally Yates, the FBI isn't terribly interested in determining who leaked Mike Flynn's name, something that constituted an actual violation of federal law.

He also knows that Democrats and the media have been beating the drum of him colluding with Russia and would like the cloud of an FBI investigation to linger over his head so they can justify #Resistance for the next 2-4 years.

So Trump, true to form, fired Comey out of the blue. It wasn't impulsive nor was it stupid. If he had done it "diplomatically", we would've been subjected to further headlines from "sources" saying Trump was trying to manage Comey out "just as the Russia investigation ramps up", which I'm sure he knew. He wasn't concerned with looking guilty as a result of it because to most of his detractors he looks guilty anyway.

Trump's talent is being able to convey and to channel his supporters' sense of "fuck you". He doesn't give a shit about how it looks; not because he's so impulsive that he can't be bothered with the optics, but because he isn't concerned about looking innocent and he's not about to lay down for people who don't fuck with him to begin with. If you believe Trump cheated to win the election, he could've fired Comey, not fired Comey, or did the hokie-pokie and turned himself around, and you would still believe the same thing.

The reason is simpler and did not involve 1 incident but a series of moves. Trump feels that everyone in the government is there to kow tow to him and make him look good. Comey has maintained his independence as any FBI Director would. Comey refused to pledge loyalty in Trump. He allowed the Russia probe to continue with no interference from Comey or the White House. He refused to play into Trump's delusions that Obama wiretapped him. He refused to discuss his Senate testimony and conceded that his disclosure of supposed Clinton e-mails might have swung the election.

At that point Trump had a massive temper tantrum. In a hissy fit he used the Justice Department to provide a excuse. He did not even tell them that he wanted to fire Comey.

 

[busybee01]

I've heard and read a lot of analysis about the Comey firing this week. I think most of it is a breathless and overworked. The reason Trump fired Comey, and the reason he did so in the way he did, is simple: He wanted to give the finger to Comey and anybody else who thinks he colluded with Russia to win the election.

We've been talking about a possible Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy for, what, almost eight months? Really since about ten minutes after Trump beat the odds and won the election, people have been seeking to undermine his win. Trump might be petty (as hell) and impetuous, but he's pragmatic, and has clearly demonstrated good political instincts.

Trump's thoughts on this is that he knows deep down that he did nothing wrong. He didn't call up Putin or anybody else and have them "meddle" in the election. He's probably still skeptical it was even Russia who was behind the DNC being hacked, and even if it was a hack and Russia did it, Hillary managed to win 2.5 million more votes than him in the election but she couldn't pull off 100K between three states she barely bothered to campaign in.

He was pissed off that Comey won't simply go on record and say what he knows is true and what Comey has told him, which is that while Trump was implicated in the narrative simply because it was a political controversy, they have found no evidence of collusion on his part, and he is no longer being investigated. He won't correct the narrative by saying that this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal one (the difference being the latter has a legal framework and strings attached that require the FBI, at some point, wrap up the investigation; the former can go on in perpetuity since they're dealing with hostile foreign actors). In addition, per Sally Yates, the FBI isn't terribly interested in determining who leaked Mike Flynn's name, something that constituted an actual violation of federal law.

He also knows that Democrats and the media have been beating the drum of him colluding with Russia and would like the cloud of an FBI investigation to linger over his head so they can justify #Resistance for the next 2-4 years.

So Trump, true to form, fired Comey out of the blue. It wasn't impulsive nor was it stupid. If he had done it "diplomatically", we would've been subjected to further headlines from "sources" saying Trump was trying to manage Comey out "just as the Russia investigation ramps up", which I'm sure he knew. He wasn't concerned with looking guilty as a result of it because to most of his detractors he looks guilty anyway.

Trump's talent is being able to convey and to channel his supporters' sense of "fuck you". He doesn't give a shit about how it looks; not because he's so impulsive that he can't be bothered with the optics, but because he isn't concerned about looking innocent and he's not about to lay down for people who don't fuck with him to begin with. If you believe Trump cheated to win the election, he could've fired Comey, not fired Comey, or did the hokie-pokie and turned himself around, and you would still believe the same thing.

I think why Comey was fired and why it was done now are two entirely separate questions. While Comey may have been a competent administrator he clearly didn't have the backbone to avoid being bullied into political issues by the corrupt Obama administration, so he meekly followed Lynch's efforts to cover up crimes in connection with the Clinton email server and shut down the investigation of the Clinton Foundation over the objections of his own agents for fear of being accused of interfering with the election and then, perhaps out of feelings of self disgust about these cowardly actions, he sent that letter to Congress in a clumsy attempt to assert his independence. After the election he continued to grandstand, as the President correctly asserted, on the baseless Trump Russia investigation in a foolish attempt to dispel allegations he had thrown the election in favor of Trump and finally he blatantly lied to the Senate about how many emails and how much classified material was on Antony Weiner's computer to try to answer these same accusations of having cost Clinton the election with the letter to Congress. All of these things show clearly that by character and temperament Comey was unfit for the job of FBI Director. That's why he was fired.

I believe he was fired at this time because the WH mistakenly believed after he lied to the Senate about his reasons for writing that final letter, Democrats would have no choice but to support this action, but the Trump WH clearly had no idea how profoundly corrupt the leadership of the Democratic Party is.

There is no evidence that he had no backbone. Just because he did not come to the conclusion the Trump Davidians wanted him to come to does not mean that he has no backbone. The fact is that he clearly retains the trust of FBI agents much more than Trump.

Comey showed backbone as he refused to sacrifice his agency's independence. He refused to compromise the investigation or interfere in it. He also admitted that his disclosures might have tilted the election.

Comey was fired because Trump is a petty, vindictive man and that is all. It was stupid as it keeps the Russia story out there and magnifies the story. Comey will apparently testify before the Senate in a public hearing. People are going to be watching and paying attention.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I've heard and read a lot of analysis about the Comey firing this week. I think most of it is a breathless and overworked. The reason Trump fired Comey, and the reason he did so in the way he did, is simple: He wanted to give the finger to Comey and anybody else who thinks he colluded with Russia to win the election.

We've been talking about a possible Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy for, what, almost eight months? Really since about ten minutes after Trump beat the odds and won the election, people have been seeking to undermine his win. Trump might be petty (as hell) and impetuous, but he's pragmatic, and has clearly demonstrated good political instincts.

Trump's thoughts on this is that he knows deep down that he did nothing wrong. He didn't call up Putin or anybody else and have them "meddle" in the election. He's probably still skeptical it was even Russia who was behind the DNC being hacked, and even if it was a hack and Russia did it, Hillary managed to win 2.5 million more votes than him in the election but she couldn't pull off 100K between three states she barely bothered to campaign in.

He was pissed off that Comey won't simply go on record and say what he knows is true and what Comey has told him, which is that while Trump was implicated in the narrative simply because it was a political controversy, they have found no evidence of collusion on his part, and he is no longer being investigated. He won't correct the narrative by saying that this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal one (the difference being the latter has a legal framework and strings attached that require the FBI, at some point, wrap up the investigation; the former can go on in perpetuity since they're dealing with hostile foreign actors). In addition, per Sally Yates, the FBI isn't terribly interested in determining who leaked Mike Flynn's name, something that constituted an actual violation of federal law.

He also knows that Democrats and the media have been beating the drum of him colluding with Russia and would like the cloud of an FBI investigation to linger over his head so they can justify #Resistance for the next 2-4 years.

So Trump, true to form, fired Comey out of the blue. It wasn't impulsive nor was it stupid. If he had done it "diplomatically", we would've been subjected to further headlines from "sources" saying Trump was trying to manage Comey out "just as the Russia investigation ramps up", which I'm sure he knew. He wasn't concerned with looking guilty as a result of it because to most of his detractors he looks guilty anyway.

Trump's talent is being able to convey and to channel his supporters' sense of "fuck you". He doesn't give a shit about how it looks; not because he's so impulsive that he can't be bothered with the optics, but because he isn't concerned about looking innocent and he's not about to lay down for people who don't fuck with him to begin with. If you believe Trump cheated to win the election, he could've fired Comey, not fired Comey, or did the hokie-pokie and turned himself around, and you would still believe the same thing.

I think why Comey was fired and why it was done now are two entirely separate questions. While Comey may have been a competent administrator he clearly didn't have the backbone to avoid being bullied into political issues by the corrupt Obama administration, so he meekly followed Lynch's efforts to cover up crimes in connection with the Clinton email server and shut down the investigation of the Clinton Foundation over the objections of his own agents for fear of being accused of interfering with the election and then, perhaps out of feelings of self disgust about these cowardly actions, he sent that letter to Congress in a clumsy attempt to assert his independence. After the election he continued to grandstand, as the President correctly asserted, on the baseless Trump Russia investigation in a foolish attempt to dispel allegations he had thrown the election in favor of Trump and finally he blatantly lied to the Senate about how many emails and how much classified material was on Antony Weiner's computer to try to answer these same accusations of having cost Clinton the election with the letter to Congress. All of these things show clearly that by character and temperament Comey was unfit for the job of FBI Director. That's why he was fired.

I believe he was fired at this time because the WH mistakenly believed after he lied to the Senate about his reasons for writing that final letter, Democrats would have no choice but to support this action, but the Trump WH clearly had no idea how profoundly corrupt the leadership of the Democratic Party is.

There is no evidence that he had no backbone. Just because he did not come to the conclusion the Trump Davidians wanted him to come to does not mean that he has no backbone. The fact is that he clearly retains the trust of FBI agents much more than Trump.

Comey showed backbone as he refused to sacrifice his agency's independence. He refused to compromise the investigation or interfere in it. He also admitted that his disclosures might have tilted the election.

Comey was fired because Trump is a petty, vindictive man and that is all. It was stupid as it keeps the Russia story out there and magnifies the story. Comey will apparently testify before the Senate in a public hearing. People are going to be watching and paying attention.

There is abundant evidence Comey has no backbone. He allowed Obama and Lynch to bully him into aiding the cover up of criminal activity by Clinton's staff over the private server, he allowed them to shut down the FBI investigation of the Clinton Foundation over the objections of his own investigating agents and he allowed himself to be bullied into a bogus investigation of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government that in over a year has not been able to produce a single piece of evidence of collusion, and last week he blatantly lied to the Senate about what led him to write that letter to Congress near the end of the election campaigns. The man is clearly unfit by temperament and character to run the FBI.

 

[Thinker101]

I've heard and read a lot of analysis about the Comey firing this week. I think most of it is a breathless and overworked. The reason Trump fired Comey, and the reason he did so in the way he did, is simple: He wanted to give the finger to Comey and anybody else who thinks he colluded with Russia to win the election.

We've been talking about a possible Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy for, what, almost eight months? Really since about ten minutes after Trump beat the odds and won the election, people have been seeking to undermine his win. Trump might be petty (as hell) and impetuous, but he's pragmatic, and has clearly demonstrated good political instincts.

Trump's thoughts on this is that he knows deep down that he did nothing wrong. He didn't call up Putin or anybody else and have them "meddle" in the election. He's probably still skeptical it was even Russia who was behind the DNC being hacked, and even if it was a hack and Russia did it, Hillary managed to win 2.5 million more votes than him in the election but she couldn't pull off 100K between three states she barely bothered to campaign in.

He was pissed off that Comey won't simply go on record and say what he knows is true and what Comey has told him, which is that while Trump was implicated in the narrative simply because it was a political controversy, they have found no evidence of collusion on his part, and he is no longer being investigated. He won't correct the narrative by saying that this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal one (the difference being the latter has a legal framework and strings attached that require the FBI, at some point, wrap up the investigation; the former can go on in perpetuity since they're dealing with hostile foreign actors). In addition, per Sally Yates, the FBI isn't terribly interested in determining who leaked Mike Flynn's name, something that constituted an actual violation of federal law.

He also knows that Democrats and the media have been beating the drum of him colluding with Russia and would like the cloud of an FBI investigation to linger over his head so they can justify #Resistance for the next 2-4 years.

So Trump, true to form, fired Comey out of the blue. It wasn't impulsive nor was it stupid. If he had done it "diplomatically", we would've been subjected to further headlines from "sources" saying Trump was trying to manage Comey out "just as the Russia investigation ramps up", which I'm sure he knew. He wasn't concerned with looking guilty as a result of it because to most of his detractors he looks guilty anyway.

Trump's talent is being able to convey and to channel his supporters' sense of "fuck you". He doesn't give a shit about how it looks; not because he's so impulsive that he can't be bothered with the optics, but because he isn't concerned about looking innocent and he's not about to lay down for people who don't fuck with him to begin with. If you believe Trump cheated to win the election, he could've fired Comey, not fired Comey, or did the hokie-pokie and turned himself around, and you would still believe the same thing.

I think why Comey was fired and why it was done now are two entirely separate questions. While Comey may have been a competent administrator he clearly didn't have the backbone to avoid being bullied into political issues by the corrupt Obama administration, so he meekly followed Lynch's efforts to cover up crimes in connection with the Clinton email server and shut down the investigation of the Clinton Foundation over the objections of his own agents for fear of being accused of interfering with the election and then, perhaps out of feelings of self disgust about these cowardly actions, he sent that letter to Congress in a clumsy attempt to assert his independence. After the election he continued to grandstand, as the President correctly asserted, on the baseless Trump Russia investigation in a foolish attempt to dispel allegations he had thrown the election in favor of Trump and finally he blatantly lied to the Senate about how many emails and how much classified material was on Antony Weiner's computer to try to answer these same accusations of having cost Clinton the election with the letter to Congress. All of these things show clearly that by character and temperament Comey was unfit for the job of FBI Director. That's why he was fired.

I believe he was fired at this time because the WH mistakenly believed after he lied to the Senate about his reasons for writing that final letter, Democrats would have no choice but to support this action, but the Trump WH clearly had no idea how profoundly corrupt the leadership of the Democratic Party is.

There is no evidence that he had no backbone. Just because he did not come to the conclusion the Trump Davidians wanted him to come to does not mean that he has no backbone. The fact is that he clearly retains the trust of FBI agents much more than Trump.

Comey showed backbone as he refused to sacrifice his agency's independence. He refused to compromise the investigation or interfere in it. He also admitted that his disclosures might have tilted the election.

Comey was fired because Trump is a petty, vindictive man and that is all. It was stupid as it keeps the Russia story out there and magnifies the story. Comey will apparently testify before the Senate in a public hearing. People are going to be watching and paying attention.

No evidence? Like an x-ray or something? You whacko's tend to be so nit picky when it's convenient and on the other hand so ignorant when it's convenient.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I can almost understand the need to kiss powerful ass on the part of some of the losers here. I especially enjoy the freaks who claim to be powerful themselves doing so.

But kissing Trump's ass has got to be symptomatic of some serious disorder. The dude displays no talent for leadership. None.

 

[JoeB131]

I just don't think a lot of people understand the concept of not caring about the opinions of people who hate you. Trump knows it looks suspicious for him to fire Comey the way he did. He doesn't care because he knows, at the end of the day, congressional Democrats and a large swath of the media are going to believe he colluded with Russia to cheat Hillary out of winning the election. He knows they don't care about the truth, which is that Hillary's ass loss fair and square and she's not that great of a campaigner regardless how many deals she makes and breaks she's given for political gaffes. So why bother even playing their game?

Maybe because he owes us the truth.

If he isn't hooked into the Russians- release your tax returns, cooperate with the investigations and get it all over with.

You see, you are right, that the partisans will never give him the benefit of the doubt. But if you act transparent, everyone else will.

A great example is Reagan with Iran Contra. When it came to light, Reagan was pretty transparent. He appointed an IC who did his level best to try to find something on him.

This is who talked to Iran, this is what was said. People were fired who needed to be fire.

And in the end, people except for the deranged Reagan haters all agreed, Reagan made a mistake, but he was honestly trying to save American lives.

Trump isn't perfect, but the primary reason people hate him is because he talked shit the entire election cycle and still managed to win. Democrats will never really give him a fair chance because it doesn't help their cause to have a sober reaction to him.

How do you have a sober reaction to an irrational crazy person? This is a great example. You could make a good argument as to why Comey needed to go, and frankly, the underling who wrote up that memo did a pretty good job of it. Of course, he had to be the one to make the case because both Trump and Sessions have borscht all over them.

Then Trump completely undermines the whole thing by going on the tirade about how firing Comey was his idea and he wanted to fire the guy from day one.