The Right To Bear Arms

[2aguy]

Slaughtered and genocided our way into a land mass, you think your whiteness will give them pause?

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
{...
In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And yes...the native Americans were just as violent as their European counterparts...

Thanksgiving guilt trip: How warlike were Native Americans before Europeans showed up?

As I've pointed out previously, prominent scientists now deride depictions of pre-state people as peaceful. "Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage," the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own." According to Pinker, the 17th-century philosopher Thomas Hobbes "got it right" when he called pre-state life a "war of all against all."





Pinker based his view on books such as War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by the anthropologist Lawrence Keeley of the University of Illinois, and Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage (Saint Martin's Press, 2003) by the archaeologist Steven LeBlanc of Harvard. "The dogs of war were seldom on a leash" in the pre-Colombian New World, Keeley wrote.





Popular culture has amplified these scientific claims. In the 2007 HBO docudrama Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Chief Sitting Bull complains to a U.S. Army colonel about whites' violent treatment of the Indians. The colonel retorts, "You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent."

 

[2aguy]

Slaughtered and genocided our way into a land mass, you think your whiteness will give them pause?

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
{...
In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And more....

The Most Violent Era In America Was Before Europeans Arrived

But archeology keeps its own history and a new paper finds that the 20th century, with its hundreds of millions dead in wars and, in the case of Germany, China, Russia and other dictatorships, genocide, was not the most violent - on a per-capita basis that honor may belong to the central Mesa Verde of southwest Colorado and the Pueblo Indians.

Writing in the journal American Antiquity, Washington State University archaeologist Tim Kohler and colleagues document how nearly 90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms.

"If we're identifying that much trauma, many were dying a violent death," said Kohler. The study also offers new clues to the mysterious depopulation of the northern Southwest, from a population of about 40,000 people in the mid-1200s to 0 in 30 years.

From the days they first arrived in the Southwest in the 1800s, most anthropologists and archaeologists have downplayed evidence of violent conflict among native Americans.

"Archaeologists with one or two exceptions have not tried to develop an objective metric of levels of violence through time," said Kohler. "They've looked at a mix of various things like burned structures, defensive site locations and so forth, but it's very difficult to distill an estimate of levels of violence from such things. We've concentrated on one thing, and that is trauma, especially to the head and portions of the arms. That's allowed us to look at levels of violence through time in a comparative way."

 

[danielpalos]

Again...the Militia is mentioned TWICE in the Constitution. The 2A talks about a Well regulated militia and Article 1 Section 8 describes a militia that is organized, has rank, discipline and training..."Well regulated".

But hey...if you insist on continuing on this tac the DIck Act GOVERNS what remains of the militia...well regulated or not...and it covers ONLY males between 17 and 45.

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

Appealing to ignorance is a fallacy, right wingers. Fallacy is all y'all have.

And yet you are the only one demonstrating your profound ignorance on a daily basis.

anybody can Talk. Men have arguments.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied.

Indeed it is. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Who shall not be infringed upon? The government that makes the laws....or the PEOPLE that those laws infringe upon? C'mon junior, you claim to have an "argument". Make it. So far all you have shown is an infantile understanding of the COTUS.

You don't know what you are talking about, like usual, right wingers.

Wellness of regulation has to prescribed by our federal Congress for the militia of the United States.

 

[Aponi]

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
{...
In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And yes...the native Americans were just as violent as their European counterparts...

Thanksgiving guilt trip: How warlike were Native Americans before Europeans showed up?

As I've pointed out previously, prominent scientists now deride depictions of pre-state people as peaceful. "Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage," the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own." According to Pinker, the 17th-century philosopher Thomas Hobbes "got it right" when he called pre-state life a "war of all against all."





Pinker based his view on books such as War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by the anthropologist Lawrence Keeley of the University of Illinois, and Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage (Saint Martin's Press, 2003) by the archaeologist Steven LeBlanc of Harvard. "The dogs of war were seldom on a leash" in the pre-Colombian New World, Keeley wrote.





Popular culture has amplified these scientific claims. In the 2007 HBO docudrama Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Chief Sitting Bull complains to a U.S. Army colonel about whites' violent treatment of the Indians. The colonel retorts, "You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent."

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[Aponi]

IUI am 50 percent Shawnee a Algonquin.
American indains had their wars some took slaves .
The tribe also took care of each other trade with others were common.
As were wars

 

[toobfreak]

Maybe not obsolete but antiquated, out of date...

... it needs to be updated to reflect the times...

Yes. There are far better, more powerful weapons out there that need to be made affordable that weren't available back in 1776!

 

[Uncensored2008]

I contest the american creation myth daily, yes. Do you not know how euros came by this land mass?

Less brutally than the Asians did. There are still plenty of Asians living. But the Asians committed complete genocide of the Negroid peoples who were in America before them. Outside of a few still in the Amazon, these Aborigines are all destroyed, slaughtered to the last person by the Asians we call American Indians. Nothing but bones and teeth remain in North America of the people who originally inhabited America.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
{...
In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And yes...the native Americans were just as violent as their European counterparts...

Thanksgiving guilt trip: How warlike were Native Americans before Europeans showed up?

As I've pointed out previously, prominent scientists now deride depictions of pre-state people as peaceful. "Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage," the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own." According to Pinker, the 17th-century philosopher Thomas Hobbes "got it right" when he called pre-state life a "war of all against all."





Pinker based his view on books such as War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by the anthropologist Lawrence Keeley of the University of Illinois, and Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage (Saint Martin's Press, 2003) by the archaeologist Steven LeBlanc of Harvard. "The dogs of war were seldom on a leash" in the pre-Colombian New World, Keeley wrote.





Popular culture has amplified these scientific claims. In the 2007 HBO docudrama Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Chief Sitting Bull complains to a U.S. Army colonel about whites' violent treatment of the Indians. The colonel retorts, "You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent."

The beauty of convincing yourselves you are an exceptional nation is that you can always manufacture a rationale for all your genocide, violence and empirical slaughter across the world forever and ever amen. Look at how whiney and pissy americans get when folk begin even walking, from a thousand miles away, in their direction now. We know what we did and we live in fear of someone doing the same to us because we know we deserve such being the eye-fer-an-eye dingbats we are.

1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
https://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059&tag=ff0d01-20

By Ira Berlin - Many Thousands Gone: The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America (1/31/00)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HTJOW04/?tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Uncensored2008]

Like the Russians in Afghanistan and the Americans in Vietnam, eh Leach?

A foreign intervention is vastly different from a civil war...douchebag

You think the US military would use nukes in a civil war?

Slaughtered and genocided our way into a land mass, you think your whiteness will give them pause?

As opposed to the slaughter and genocide that already existed here? Or all over the rest of the world?

Someone knows nothing of the advanced civilizations that existed in the americas, and all over the world really, long before the euros who had contaminated their own land mass to such a syphilitic plague ridden dystopian extent, that the dregs of european society left the foul chamber pot showers of their feudal tenement slums to nautically caravan across the globe and bring their diseases across the borders of others; their male dominator God demanded it of them. Papal Bulls of the 1500s called for the extermination and cleansing of the americas.

And to see the caterwauling of their descendants now is rich, oh so rich.

You mean like the plains Indians who hadn't discovered the wheel? So very advanced...

Another ignorant leftist spewing utter shit as if it were knowledge.

Yes, the Mayans were fairly advanced, nowhere NEAR the Europeans, but as an ancient culture, they had discovered writing and rudimentary astronomy. The Aztecs were worse than the Nazis, they appropriated Mayan culture and murdered 90% of the people. In North America though, no written language, though leftist have tried to lie a few into existence out of thin air, but there was no written language, no wheel, no mathematics. The Indians were cave men, stone age savages. Put all the lipstick you want on that pig, reality still is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A foreign intervention is vastly different from a civil war...douchebag

You think the US military would use nukes in a civil war?

Slaughtered and genocided our way into a land mass, you think your whiteness will give them pause?

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Where did scalping come from again hon?

Europeans indulged in cannibalism until the 1900s, two new books claim
Tough news to swallow: Europeans saw nothing wrong with cannibalism until the 1900s, two new books claim | Daily Mail Online

Cheers, reading is fundamental.

The shit you anti-culture fucks will lie about...

Here is the thing stupid, Europe actually had written language going back 5,000 years. We can read what the actual views on things such as cannibalism was. Yes, lying fucks will attempt to rewrite history, yet as long as we don't let you destroy all the books, it is doomed to failure.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Like the Russians in Afghanistan and the Americans in Vietnam, eh Leach?

A foreign intervention is vastly different from a civil war...douchebag

You think the US military would use nukes in a civil war?

Slaughtered and genocided our way into a land mass, you think your whiteness will give them pause?

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

Except it primitive warfare was normally symbolic, very low fatality rates, and captured were usually adopted.
Nothing like as bad as we did to the Cherokee, Mandan, Sioux, Apache, Chimariko, etc.
By putting a price on scalps, we encouraged people to commit mass murder for profit, resulting in whole tribes being made extinct.

Complete fucking bullshit.

Why do you fools think you can lie reality out of existence?

Yes, I get it, you hate America and you lack both education and integrity. Still.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Agreed, befriending and saving the euros early on was their biggest mistake. As I say, Pocahontas was rewarded with death in captivity in Britain, turns out King Philip was right about them.

Sploogy, why do you lie so much? Are you simply ignorant, or do you think you can fool your betters?

{
In March 1617, Rolfe and Pocahontas boarded a ship to return to Virginia; the ship had sailed only as far as Gravesend on the river Thames when Pocahontas became gravely ill.[66] She was taken ashore and died at the approximate age of 21. It is not known what caused her death, but theories range from pneumonia, smallpox, and tuberculosisto her having been poisoned.[67] According to Rolfe, she died saying, "all must die, but tis enough that her child liveth".[68]

Pocahontas's funeral took place on March 21, 1617, in the parish of Saint George's, Gravesend.[69] Her grave is thought to be underneath the church's chancel, though since that church was destroyed in a fire in 1727, its exact site is unknown.[70] Her memory is honored with a life-size bronze statue at St. George's Church by William Ordway Partridge.[71]}

Pocahontas - Wikipedia

You ignorant fucking moron.

 

[Lakhota]

There were several shootings around the U.S. on New Year’s Day.

Happy New Year! See How Gun Violence Rang In 2019

Same ole shit.

 

[Indeependent]

There were several shootings around the U.S. on New Year’s Day.

Happy New Year! See How Gun Violence Rang In 2019

Same ole shit.

Next time they’ll use arrows and spears.

 

[Rigby5]

Maybe not obsolete but antiquated, out of date...

... it needs to be updated to reflect the times...

... and the threat of overkill firepower...

... for the average citizen.

Wrong. It is ONLY the average citizen who can be trusted with that kind of firepower.
The LAST people you can trust, as the founders also believed, was the government.
And if you understand not only the 2nd Amendment, but the 4th, 5th, and 14th, it is illegal for government to have weapons inaccessible to the general public. You can require an explanation of need with it comes to massive weapons like nuclear weapons, but you can not ever allow government to illegal dictate any arbitrary restrictions. That is illegal inherently. In a republic, individual rights are the only source of authority, so then government can not somehow authorize itself, or arbitrarily restrict.

 

[Rigby5]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

Of course no rights absolute and all have limits, but it is absolutely clear from the 2nd amendment that the federal government was denied any and all jurisdiction over weapons. If you want to regulate weapons legally, then you have to do is by state or municipal laws, or you are in violation of the constitution.

 

[Lakhota]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

Of course no rights absolute and all have limits, but it is absolutely clear from the 2nd amendment that the federal government was denied any and all jurisdiction over weapons. If you want to regulate weapons legally, then you have to do is by state or municipal laws, or you are in violation of the constitution.

I cherish my guns - but the 2nd Amendment is an obsolete fossil.

 

[Rigby5]

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
{...
In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And yes...the native Americans were just as violent as their European counterparts...

Thanksgiving guilt trip: How warlike were Native Americans before Europeans showed up?

As I've pointed out previously, prominent scientists now deride depictions of pre-state people as peaceful. "Contra leftist anthropologists who celebrate the noble savage," the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own." According to Pinker, the 17th-century philosopher Thomas Hobbes "got it right" when he called pre-state life a "war of all against all."





Pinker based his view on books such as War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by the anthropologist Lawrence Keeley of the University of Illinois, and Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage (Saint Martin's Press, 2003) by the archaeologist Steven LeBlanc of Harvard. "The dogs of war were seldom on a leash" in the pre-Colombian New World, Keeley wrote.





Popular culture has amplified these scientific claims. In the 2007 HBO docudrama Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Chief Sitting Bull complains to a U.S. Army colonel about whites' violent treatment of the Indians. The colonel retorts, "You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent."

Total nonsense.
First of all, before you have sedentary societies with agriculture, surplus, and currency, it is essentially impossible to have professional warriors, and it did not happen. They were too busy hunting and gathering. Nor would any significant degree of warfare make any sense, because there would be nothing to gain, and the risk were way too high due to lack of medical care technology.
We still have lots of examples of primitive cultures, and we know from experience that warfare is rare and mostly symbolic.
Those claiming otherwise are full of hot air.

 

[Rigby5]

Shhh...don’t let anyone know the Natives were already warring with each other before the White man came along.

And eating each other......for dinner.....

Not true. There is a question with the Anasazi in New Mexico, but only because the changing climate created such a long drought that all Anasazi either died or eventually had to leave. Even where cannibalism was common, like New Guinea, it is ritualistic, and not for food.
And the Romans and other Mediterranean cultures also conducted ritualistic cannibalism for religious purposes. The Romans and Europeans were likely the most barbaric in history, with things like crucifixion, burning at the stake, impaling, etc.

As opposed to the Aztec and Inca and the other indians in North America who also engaged in ritual torture and execution..... And the Indians here were cutting out and eating hearts long after Rome fell....

Nope. Aztecs had a weird religious belief in sacrifice, but it was not at all torture, and victims were drugged out first.
It was a weird adaptation to previous over population problems.
It was not at all like the mass murder carried out by the Romans against the Druids, the Christians against Jews and Moslems, etc.
I have NEVER read anything about anyone eating human hearts in the New World?

But it fairly common to find in Europe.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
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In Gough's Cave, England, remains of human bones and skulls, around 14,700 years old, suggest that cannibalism took place amongst the people living in or visiting the cave, and that they may have used human skulls as drinking vessels.

Researchers have found physical evidence of cannibalism in ancient times. In 2001, archaeologists at the University of Bristol found evidence of Iron Age cannibalism in Gloucestershire. Cannibalism was practiced as recently as 2000 years ago in Great Britain.
...
Cannibalism is mentioned many times in early history and literature. Herodotus in "The Histories" (450s to the 420s BCE) claimed, that after eleven days' voyage up the Borysthenes (Dnieper in Europe) a desolated land extended for a long way, and later the country of the man-eaters (other than Scythians) was located, and beyond it again a desolated area extended where no men lived.

According to Appian, during the Roman Siege of Numantia in the second century BCE, the population of Numantia was reduced to cannibalism and suicide.

Cannibalism was reported by Josephus during the siege of Jerusalem by Rome in 70 CE.

Jerome, in his letter Against Jovinianus, discusses how people come to their present condition as a result of their heritage, and he then lists several examples of peoples and their customs. In the list, he mentions that he has heard that Attacotti eat human flesh and that Massagetae and Derbices (a people on the borders of India) kill and eat old people.
Ugolino and his sons in their cell, as painted by William Blake. According to Dante, the prisoners were slowly starved to death and before dying Ugolino's children begged him to eat their bodies.
Reports of cannibalism were recorded during the First Crusade, as Crusaders were alleged to have fed on the bodies of their dead opponents following the Siege of Ma'arra. Amin Maalouf also alleges further cannibalism incidents on the march to Jerusalem, and to the efforts made to delete mention of these from Western history. During Europe's Great Famine of 1315–17, there were many reports of cannibalism among the starving populations. In North Africa, as in Europe, there are references to cannibalism as a last resort in times of famine.

And more....

The Most Violent Era In America Was Before Europeans Arrived

But archeology keeps its own history and a new paper finds that the 20th century, with its hundreds of millions dead in wars and, in the case of Germany, China, Russia and other dictatorships, genocide, was not the most violent - on a per-capita basis that honor may belong to the central Mesa Verde of southwest Colorado and the Pueblo Indians.

Writing in the journal American Antiquity, Washington State University archaeologist Tim Kohler and colleagues document how nearly 90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms.

"If we're identifying that much trauma, many were dying a violent death," said Kohler. The study also offers new clues to the mysterious depopulation of the northern Southwest, from a population of about 40,000 people in the mid-1200s to 0 in 30 years.

From the days they first arrived in the Southwest in the 1800s, most anthropologists and archaeologists have downplayed evidence of violent conflict among native Americans.

"Archaeologists with one or two exceptions have not tried to develop an objective metric of levels of violence through time," said Kohler. "They've looked at a mix of various things like burned structures, defensive site locations and so forth, but it's very difficult to distill an estimate of levels of violence from such things. We've concentrated on one thing, and that is trauma, especially to the head and portions of the arms. That's allowed us to look at levels of violence through time in a comparative way."

Totally nonscientific nonsense.
Correlation is not causation.
Sure the southwest did have some primitive tribal conflicts, but that was due to extreme pressures caused by desertification, and Europeans displacing natives and making them crowd together. It was not at all normal, as other locations verify.

 

[Rigby5]

AGAIN. WELL REGULATED has NOTHING to do with laws, and everything to do with being in good working order. Learn some ENGLISH!

Appealing to ignorance is a fallacy, right wingers. Fallacy is all y'all have.

And yet you are the only one demonstrating your profound ignorance on a daily basis.

anybody can Talk. Men have arguments.

Our Constitution is Express, not Implied.

Indeed it is. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Who shall not be infringed upon? The government that makes the laws....or the PEOPLE that those laws infringe upon? C'mon junior, you claim to have an "argument". Make it. So far all you have shown is an infantile understanding of the COTUS.

You don't know what you are talking about, like usual, right wingers.

Wellness of regulation has to prescribed by our federal Congress for the militia of the United States.

Totally wrong.
Clearly the 2nd Amendment says the feds get absolutely ZERO jurisdiction over weapons at all.
The phrase "well regulated militia", means that if you do not ensure the general population always has full access to weapons, then they won't be ready or able to defend themselves, their cities, their states, or their country. Remember that no one wanted or trusted a standing army back then. They only wanted citizens soldiers. There essentially was no significant standing army until around 1900.