The Right To Bear Arms

How many Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of treason or espionage during WWII?

Answer: 0

What remains to this day the most decorated unit in US Military history?

Answer: The 442nd

Guess which Americans comprised the majority of the 442nd?

Answer: Look it up if you really don't know


Of course there were far, far, far~ more Americans of Italian and German ancestry in the US at the time.

Around 3000 Italians or Americans of Italian ancestry (civilians, not POWs) were 'concentrated' during the war.
Around 11,000 Germans or Americans of German ancestry were treated likewise.

And from the far, far, far~ smaller population of Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry? Over 100,000

Yeah, that fucking FDR was a real peach.

You are an idiot!



Thanks for admitting you cannot refute the real facts, you un-American shitstain.

I've posted my reasonings and all you clowns have done is repeat the same bullshit. Those were real facts and you didn't refute them. You want us to believe Japan knew it would eventually go to war with the United States, but would be too stupid to put agents in this country.

I guess you can't figure why the American people can't stand libertarians.
 
Yes, I do. So did that piece of shit FDR when he ordered innocent Americans - among them some of the very best Americans - thrown into his CONCENTRATION CAMPS. This was after those innocent people had been locked up in filthy horse stables while said CONCENTRATION CAMPS were being built, complete with barbed wire and guard towers from where anyone trying to escape could be shot and killed.

It seems that YOU don't know what concentration camps are.


"concentration camp
n.
1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions."

"A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions."

"a guarded prison camp in which nonmilitary prisoners are held"

"A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned"







"President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."

"At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976)."

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

It's stupid to use the word concentration camp when 6 million Jews were killed by our enemy in WWII.


No one is comparing FDR's concentration camps to hitler's death camps, you fucking idiot. If you don't like the term, then stop playing apologist for the action.

Do you like the term: Fuck you!
 
Don't you think there were reports in those days of what the Japanese were doing to the Chinese? That is what we were fighting against, so when the Imperial Japanese state asks it's people to spy, why would you take a chance? They removed all of them from the west coast.



We've already covered this, asshole. No Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of espionage during the war. NONE. There were many, many, many times more German-Americans in the country at the time, but only a tiny fraction as many of them were similarly deprived of their Constitutional rights. "Why would you take a chance"? You know why, asshole.


German Espionage and Sabotage Against the U.S. in World War II

German Espionage and Sabotage Against the U.S. in World War II

Nazi Spies Come Ashore - America in WWII
 
It's stupid to use the word concentration camp when 6 million Jews were killed by our enemy in WWII.


No one is comparing FDR's concentration camps to hitler's death camps, you fucking idiot. If you don't like the term, then stop playing apologist for the action.

Do you like the term: Fuck you!



= you have nothing to say because you cannot refute the facts of history, you un-American sack of crap.
 
You are an idiot!



Thanks for admitting you cannot refute the real facts, you un-American shitstain.

I've posted my reasonings and all you clowns have done is repeat the same bullshit. .


Your "reasonings" are nothing but irrational, shamelessly un-American garbage. What I have repeated are FACTS to which you cannot respond. GTFO of my country, scum.
 
Don't you think there were reports in those days of what the Japanese were doing to the Chinese? That is what we were fighting against, so when the Imperial Japanese state asks it's people to spy, why would you take a chance? They removed all of them from the west coast.



We've already covered this, asshole. No Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of espionage during the war. NONE. There were many, many, many times more German-Americans in the country at the time, but only a tiny fraction as many of them were similarly deprived of their Constitutional rights. "Why would you take a chance"? You know why, asshole.


German Espionage and Sabotage Against the U.S. in World War II

German Espionage and Sabotage Against the U.S. in World War II

Nazi Spies Come Ashore - America in WWII

In order to do espionage, you have to report something. With the Japanese removed from the west coast, they were out of radio range. That's why they moved them, dumbass! Common sense would say Japan would have some agents in America, but their activity was foiled. The critical area for a Japanese agent would be the west coast. Only near the west coast could they send messages to a submarine. The only I see a Japanese could have slipped by and not stand out is to hide amongst the Chinese people, but the Chinese would recognize the person as being not from China, unless he was a strange looking Japanese person.

No reports of espionage just means internment worked.

You are posting links to blogs that aren't even accurate in their details. That isn't a source for the claims you have made. All you have to do is type there and find a fool to believe it.
 
No one is comparing FDR's concentration camps to hitler's death camps, you fucking idiot. If you don't like the term, then stop playing apologist for the action.

Do you like the term: Fuck you!



= you have nothing to say because you cannot refute the facts of history, you un-American sack of crap.

You are the un-American piece of shit. You haven't posted one link that makes sense. Post the primary sources and not blog nonsense!
 
Common sense would say Japan would have some agents in America, but their activity was foiled.



You have no proof that there were, since NO JAPANESE AMERICAN WAS EVER CONVICTED OF ESPIONAGE DURING WWII. What you have is proof that huge numbers of innocent Americans were deprived of their Constitutional rights by that scumbag FDR.
 
No reports of espionage just means internment worked.

:eusa_liar:


By that un-American reasoning, it was a big mistake not to throw ALL German Americans on the East coast into concentration camps. After all, there really WERE spy rings and active espionage programs going on there. Hmmm, what was different, adolf?
 
Do you like the term: Fuck you!



= you have nothing to say because you cannot refute the facts of history, you un-American sack of crap.

You are the un-American piece of shit. You haven't posted one link that makes sense. Post the primary sources and not blog nonsense!


And now, since you CANNOT refute the FACTs, you start playing these games. If you really bothered to read the links you'd have seen citations and references. You are completely transparent, you un-American filth.
 
Calisphere - JARDA - Relocation and Incarceration of Japanese Americans During World War II

"On December 7, 1941, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. The next day, the United States and Britain declared on Japan. Two months later, on February 19, 1942, the lives of thousands of Japanese Americans were dramatically changed when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 (view the Order). This order led to the assembly and evacuation and relocation of nearly 122,000 men, women, and children of Japanese ancestry on the west coast of the United States — but not in Hawaii, despite the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Racism and Prejudice

Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not incarcerated because they made up nearly 40% of the population and a large portion of the skilled workforce. The fact they were not incarcerated suggests that the removal of Japanese Americans on the west coast was racially motivated rather than out of "military necessity." Agricultural interest groups in western states, and many local politicians, had long been against Japanese Americans, and used the attack on Pearl Harbor to step up calls for their removal.

The United States was fighting the war on three fronts — Japan, Germany, and Italy — compared to the number of Japanese Americans, a relatively small number of Germans and Italians were interned in the United States. But although Executive Order 9066 was written in vague terms that did not specify an ethnicity, it was used for the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans. The government claimed that incarceration was for military necessity and, ironically, to "protect" Japanese Americans from racist retribution they might face as a result of Pearl Harbor. (These reasons were later proved false by the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians in the 1980s.)

In fact, Japanese Americans and other Asian Americans had long been characterized as a foreign "Yellow Peril" that was a threat to the United States. Prejudice against Japanese Americans, including laws preventing them from owning land, existed long before World War II. Even though Japanese Americans largely considered themselves loyal and even patriotic Americans, suspicions about their loyalties were pervasive. Before Pearl Harbor was bombed, President Roosevelt secretly commissioned Curtis Munson, a businessman, to assess the possibility that Japanese Americans would pose a threat to US security. Munson’s report found (as cited in Ronald Takaki, Strangers from a Distant Shore, page 386) that "There will be no armed uprising of Japanese" in the United States. "For the most part," the report says, "the local Japanese are loyal to the United States or, at worst, hope that by remaining quiet they can avoid concentration camps or irresponsible mobs."

Despite these findings, however, thousands of families in California, Oregon, and Washington were soon incarcerated in government camps. The government — and popular sentiment — understood that German Americans were not necessarily Nazi sympathizers, and could distinguish Italian Americans from Mussolini’s Fascist regime, but they had a more difficult time separating Japanese Americans from Imperial Japan.

The majority of those interned — nearly 70,000, over 60% — were American citizens. Many of the rest were long-time US residents who had lived in this country between 20 and 40 years. By and large, most Japanese Americans, particularly the Nisei (the first generation born in the United States), considered themselves loyal Americans. No Japanese American or Japanese national was ever found guilty of sabotage or espionage."
 
Why don't you try to explain your case and back it up with concrete facts and figures?

Show us you can do something besides write a sentence or two!

So you really believe that those innocent until proven guilty Japanese Americans were a threat and that because of that anything is justified?

Like I said you just love to impose your morality on everyone and are OK with the use of force to do it because there is just no scenario that your ovine brain can devise in which you are not 100% correct.

I don't recall hearing a lot of bitching about it back then, so lay it on me, asshole! I wasn't even born.

But you defend the policy. Therefore it is safe to assume you would defend it today.

And after reading your rants and seeing your penchant of sadomoralism I think that is a safe assumption.
 
And if the concentration camps were so necessary and effective, why was the process of closing the concentration camps and releasing those innocent American citizens and other political prisoners begun long before the end of the war?
 
US Supreme Court Justices (finally) had this to say:

"Justice Black denied that the process was constitutional or acceptable at the time:

I dissent, therefore, from this legalization of racism. Racial discrimination in any form and in any degree has no justifiable part whatever in our democratic way of life. It is unattractive in any setting but it is utterly revolting among a free people who have embraced the principles set forth in the Constitution of the United States. All residents of this nation are kin in some way by blood or culture to a foreign land. Yet they are primarily and necessarily a part of the new and distinct civilization of the United States. They must accordingly be treated at all times as the heirs of the American experiment and as entitled to all the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. "

Japanese Internment


"The broad provisions of the Bill of rights. . . are [not] suspended by the mere existence of a state of war. Distinctions based on color and ancestry are utterly inconsistent with our traditions and ideals. Today is the first time, so far as I am aware, that we have sustained a substantial restriction of the personal liberty of citizens based on the accident of race or ancestry. It bears a melancholy resemblance to the treatment accorded to members of the Jewish race in Germany This goes to the very brink of constitutional power."

—Associate Justice Frank Murphy, Concurring Opinion, Hirabayashi v. U.S., 1943

"This is not a case of keeping people off the streets at night as was Hirabayashi... It is a case of convict*ing a citizen ... for not submitting to imprisonment in a concentration camp solely because of his ancestry."

—Associate Justice Owen J. Roberts, Dissenting Opinion, Korematsu v. U.S., 1944

"[There have to be] definite limits to military discretion, especially where martial law has not been declared. Individuals must not be impoverished of their constitutional rights on a plea of military necessity that has neither substance nor support."

—Associate Justice Frank Murphy, Concurring Opinion, Ex Parte Endo , 1944


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Calisphere - JARDA - Relocation and Incarceration of Japanese Americans During World War II

"On December 7, 1941, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. The next day, the United States and Britain declared on Japan. Two months later, on February 19, 1942, the lives of thousands of Japanese Americans were dramatically changed when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 (view the Order). This order led to the assembly and evacuation and relocation of nearly 122,000 men, women, and children of Japanese ancestry on the west coast of the United States — but not in Hawaii, despite the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Racism and Prejudice

Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not incarcerated because they made up nearly 40% of the population and a large portion of the skilled workforce. The fact they were not incarcerated suggests that the removal of Japanese Americans on the west coast was racially motivated rather than out of "military necessity." Agricultural interest groups in western states, and many local politicians, had long been against Japanese Americans, and used the attack on Pearl Harbor to step up calls for their removal.

The United States was fighting the war on three fronts — Japan, Germany, and Italy — compared to the number of Japanese Americans, a relatively small number of Germans and Italians were interned in the United States. But although Executive Order 9066 was written in vague terms that did not specify an ethnicity, it was used for the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans. The government claimed that incarceration was for military necessity and, ironically, to "protect" Japanese Americans from racist retribution they might face as a result of Pearl Harbor. (These reasons were later proved false by the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians in the 1980s.)

In fact, Japanese Americans and other Asian Americans had long been characterized as a foreign "Yellow Peril" that was a threat to the United States. Prejudice against Japanese Americans, including laws preventing them from owning land, existed long before World War II. Even though Japanese Americans largely considered themselves loyal and even patriotic Americans, suspicions about their loyalties were pervasive. Before Pearl Harbor was bombed, President Roosevelt secretly commissioned Curtis Munson, a businessman, to assess the possibility that Japanese Americans would pose a threat to US security. Munson’s report found (as cited in Ronald Takaki, Strangers from a Distant Shore, page 386) that "There will be no armed uprising of Japanese" in the United States. "For the most part," the report says, "the local Japanese are loyal to the United States or, at worst, hope that by remaining quiet they can avoid concentration camps or irresponsible mobs."

Despite these findings, however, thousands of families in California, Oregon, and Washington were soon incarcerated in government camps. The government — and popular sentiment — understood that German Americans were not necessarily Nazi sympathizers, and could distinguish Italian Americans from Mussolini’s Fascist regime, but they had a more difficult time separating Japanese Americans from Imperial Japan.

The majority of those interned — nearly 70,000, over 60% — were American citizens. Many of the rest were long-time US residents who had lived in this country between 20 and 40 years. By and large, most Japanese Americans, particularly the Nisei (the first generation born in the United States), considered themselves loyal Americans. No Japanese American or Japanese national was ever found guilty of sabotage or espionage."

Everything you have posted so far has inflated numbers and this article doesn't even have good facts, because Japanese were removed from Arizona, too (122,000 vs 110,000). It's the same propaganda about concentration camps.

Consider some of the propaganda in the links you have posted! They claim the internment was for 4 years, but the dates of the orders show 2 years 10 month. They say in the same blog that half were children or young adults and then say half the interned were children. Well, about half the people would be children and it would be inhuman to separate the children from the adults. If the adults are going to internment, then the children would have to go to. The statement about half were children is meaningless. Saying no one was ever found guilty of sabotage or espionage is meaningless. Comparing Hawaii to the west coast is meaningless. The strategic assessment at that time was that the United States could easily lose the Hawaiian Islands if attacked and would have to regroup on the west coast. We were outgunned at Midway and were lucky. That bought enough time to get American production into the Pacific theater. An attack on the locks of the Panama Canal could have really screwed up that effort.

122,000 men, women, and children - What else are there? Are they going to send the men away and keep the women? The content of your articles show intentional bias of thought.

"Yellow Peril" - There has always prejudice in America and still is today. I understand the farmers in California were happy, but the issue was competition, which tells me the Japanese there were good farmers. There may have been farm workers too, competing for jobs, because there were large amounts of Japanese imigrants who weren't American citizens. This is just a typical play the race card tactic.

The United States was not fighting a war on three fronts because three nations were involved. It was fighting mostly on two fronts, though the war effort was global.
 
The fact that any American citizens were rounded up, stripped of their legal property and concentrated in fenced and guarded "relocation" camps is wrong on so many counts that it disgusts me.
The fact that it was done to the Native Americans and the people sold into slavery just shows that if you don't protect your rights you are bound to lose them even in the "United" States.
 
Calisphere - JARDA - Relocation and Incarceration of Japanese Americans During World War II

"On December 7, 1941, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. The next day, the United States and Britain declared on Japan. Two months later, on February 19, 1942, the lives of thousands of Japanese Americans were dramatically changed when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 (view the Order). This order led to the assembly and evacuation and relocation of nearly 122,000 men, women, and children of Japanese ancestry on the west coast of the United States — but not in Hawaii, despite the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Racism and Prejudice

Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not incarcerated because they made up nearly 40% of the population and a large portion of the skilled workforce. The fact they were not incarcerated suggests that the removal of Japanese Americans on the west coast was racially motivated rather than out of "military necessity." Agricultural interest groups in western states, and many local politicians, had long been against Japanese Americans, and used the attack on Pearl Harbor to step up calls for their removal.

The United States was fighting the war on three fronts — Japan, Germany, and Italy — compared to the number of Japanese Americans, a relatively small number of Germans and Italians were interned in the United States. But although Executive Order 9066 was written in vague terms that did not specify an ethnicity, it was used for the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans. The government claimed that incarceration was for military necessity and, ironically, to "protect" Japanese Americans from racist retribution they might face as a result of Pearl Harbor. (These reasons were later proved false by the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians in the 1980s.)

In fact, Japanese Americans and other Asian Americans had long been characterized as a foreign "Yellow Peril" that was a threat to the United States. Prejudice against Japanese Americans, including laws preventing them from owning land, existed long before World War II. Even though Japanese Americans largely considered themselves loyal and even patriotic Americans, suspicions about their loyalties were pervasive. Before Pearl Harbor was bombed, President Roosevelt secretly commissioned Curtis Munson, a businessman, to assess the possibility that Japanese Americans would pose a threat to US security. Munson’s report found (as cited in Ronald Takaki, Strangers from a Distant Shore, page 386) that "There will be no armed uprising of Japanese" in the United States. "For the most part," the report says, "the local Japanese are loyal to the United States or, at worst, hope that by remaining quiet they can avoid concentration camps or irresponsible mobs."

Despite these findings, however, thousands of families in California, Oregon, and Washington were soon incarcerated in government camps. The government — and popular sentiment — understood that German Americans were not necessarily Nazi sympathizers, and could distinguish Italian Americans from Mussolini’s Fascist regime, but they had a more difficult time separating Japanese Americans from Imperial Japan.

The majority of those interned — nearly 70,000, over 60% — were American citizens. Many of the rest were long-time US residents who had lived in this country between 20 and 40 years. By and large, most Japanese Americans, particularly the Nisei (the first generation born in the United States), considered themselves loyal Americans. No Japanese American or Japanese national was ever found guilty of sabotage or espionage."

Everything you have posted so far has inflated numbers and this article doesn't even have good facts, because Japanese were removed from Arizona, too (122,000 vs 110,000). It's the same propaganda about concentration camps.



The University of California is not a legitimate enough source on the facts of the matter for you? :rolleyes: You stink of desperation, asshole. It must be clear by now - even to you - that you are defending the indefensible. Give it up and try being a real American for a change.
 
"Yellow Peril" - There has always prejudice in America and still is today. I understand the farmers in California were happy, but the issue was competition, which tells me the Japanese there were good farmers. There may have been farm workers too, competing for jobs, because there were large amounts of Japanese imigrants who weren't American citizens. This is just a typical play the race card tactic.


If you deny that race was the determining factor in this case, you have taken your un-American dishonesty to a new low. Read the (direct) quotes from US Supreme Court Justices on the matter, you disgraceful punk.

I have provided source after source, quote after quote, and fact after fact. You have brought nothing but your own disingenuity and lack of character.
 
The mistake we sometimes make is that we attempt to use logic and facts in answer to ones emotional belief (faith if you will) and it is senseless to argue faith with logic or facts because faith will always trump reality.
 

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