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It's rather stupid to call people un-American because they believe there was a necessity for Japanese Internment.
The point was made clearly and trying to change it to another scenario changes the whole thing. Let's be realistic, when you people start calling Japanese internment concentration camps, you're over the edge. I could care less about your opinion on the matter. No one said war was a pretty thing.
Actually the term you should have used is "I couldn't care less"
Couldn't would be an absolute lack of care. People are entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean I accept them for my own. It's rather stupid to call people un-American because they believe there was a necessity for Japanese Internment. I understand how people today can look back and think things that happened in the past weren't necessary, but those are the kinds of people who can't walk around in the other person's shoes.
Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of about 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.[2][3] The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. All who lived on the West Coast of the United States were interned, while in Hawaii, where the 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, an estimated 1,200[4] to 1,800 were interned.[5] Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.[6][7]
During World War II, over 7,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese from Latin America were held in internment camps run by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, part of the Department of Justice. In this period, Latin Americans of Japanese ancestry were rounded up and transported to American internment camps run by the U.S. Justice Department.[52][53][54] These Latin American internees were eventually, through the efforts of civil rights attorney Wayne M. Collins,[55][56] offered "parole" relocation to the labor-starved farming community in Seabrook, New Jersey.[57] Many became naturalized American citizens or Japanese Americans after the war.
Of 127,000 Japanese Americans living in the continental United States at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, 112,000 resided on the West Coast.[19]
Upon the bombing of Pearl Harbor and pursuant to the Alien Enemies Act, Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526 and 2527 were issued designating Japanese, German and Italian nationals as enemy aliens.[25] Information from the CDI was used to locate and incarcerate foreign nationals from Japan, Germany and Italy (although Germany and Italy did not declare war on the U.S. until December 11).
Internment was not limited to those who had been to Japan, but included a small number of German and Italian enemy aliens.[23]
Source: Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have serious doubts that the people who are so much against Japanese Internment even examined those times, but let's do an analysis with a little more depth!
There is nothing better than numbers and concrete facts to build a case. The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor and war is declared. The next major battle in the Pacific is the Coral Sea, which is credited for preventing an attack against Australia. The most westward island in the Hawaiian chain is Midway and where did the Japanese attack next? They also attacked Alaska as a diversion, but we had already cracked the Japanese code and knew Midway was the target.
Looking at the numbers in the link, we have 150,000-plus Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and only 1,200 to 1,800 were interned. Hawaii was a territory, so it's citizens were Americans, like someone in Puerto Rico is an American, though there were Japanese nationals interned there, too. On the west coast of the United States and Arizona, all the Japanese were put in internment camps. This behavior looks a little odd compared to Hawaii. There is definitely the message there that they aren't going to chance information coming out of the continental United States, but they will chance it in Hawaii, where a critical Naval Base exists? Putting over a third of Hawaii's population in internment does present some problems, but using the average figure about 1% of the Japanese living in Hawaii were placed in internment camps, while nearly a 100% of Japanese living on or near the west coast went to camps and those that didn't must of relocated.
Crunching the numbers a little further, we have a total of 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese placed in internment. That would mean around 108,500 were placed in internment in the continental US and about 62% of them were Japanese Americans. Of that total then 68,200 Japanese Americans and 41,800 Japanese that weren't Americans at the max were placed in internment for approximately 2 years 10 months on average, if they didn't manage to get out. Over 7,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese were tranported from Latin America to our internment camps, but we'll assume those have the same percentage of Americans. That means the continental US and Hawaii had more than 277,000 people of Japanese ancestry and of them about 68,200 Japanese Americans were placed in internment. That is less than 24.6% of the Japanese people living in America or it's territories. Notice that wasn't even adjusted down for the 7,000 who arrived from Latin America.
So, were the Japanese in America rounded up and placed in internment camps? No, some were.
Did the Japanese Imperial state call on all Japanese abroad to spy for it? Yes, they did.
Well, what about the Germans and Italians? The west coast of the United States was scared shitless. They sent German and Italian nationals to internment camps, along with all the Japanese. They weren't taking any chances of spying on the west coast, which had critical naval bases. Japan had a world class naval force that used modern carrier tactics. It had submarines that could relay signals from spys on land. The balance of power in the Pacific was in the hands of the Japanese and America was on the defensive. On the east coast, there was no threat of invasion, so even foreign enemy nationals were given freedom, but excluded from restricted areas. The priorities of war meant going after Germany first. The times were not looking good for Americans living that moment in history and they weren't looking good for the British and later the Soviets. It's only hindsight that makes people believe winning WWII wasn't the total war that it was. I'm sure those people living in cities that were fire bombed would trade places with those in internment camps.
I don't object to removing people posing a threat from the west coast or the internment of people they considered a threat anywhere during WWII. I think it was a mistake not to relocate many of the west coast Japanese further east and give them an opportunity to benefit themselves during the war years. The only threat they posed was spying which has limited transmission ranges and sabotage, which can be controlled by restricted areas and intelligence. Obviously Japanese would draw more attention than Italians and Germans.
Did the Japanese Imperial state call on all Japanese abroad to spy for it? Yes, they did.
Well, what about the Germans and Italians? The west coast of the United States was scared shitless. They sent German and Italian nationals to internment camps, along with all the Japanese. They weren't taking any chances of spying on the west coast, which had critical naval bases. Japan had a world class naval force that used modern carrier tactics. It had submarines that could relay signals from spys on land. The balance of power in the Pacific was in the hands of the Japanese and America was on the defensive. On the east coast, there was no threat of invasion, so even foreign enemy nationals were given freedom, but excluded from restricted areas. The priorities of war meant going after Germany first. The times were not looking good for Americans living that moment in history and they weren't looking good for the British and later the Soviets. It's only hindsight that makes people believe winning WWII wasn't the total war that it was. I'm sure those people living in cities that were fire bombed would trade places with those in internment camps.
I don't object to removing people posing a threat from the west coast or the internment of people they considered a threat anywhere during WWII. I think it was a mistake not to relocate many of the west coast Japanese further east and give them an opportunity to benefit themselves during the war years. The only threat they posed was spying which has limited transmission ranges and sabotage, which can be controlled by restricted areas and intelligence. Obviously Japanese would draw more attention than Italians and Germans.
It's rather stupid to call people un-American because they believe there was a necessity for Japanese Internment.
Throwing innocent Americans (some of the bravest and most loyal Americans at that) into CONCENTRATION CAMPS because of their race or ethnicity is un-American. Defending such actions (and the scumbag FDR who ordered them) is un-American. Don't blame me for pointing out what you have chosen to be.
FDR called them concentration camps you fucking idiot and I suppose it doesn't matter to you that most of those people kidnapped by the fucking government were children.
We all know how dangerous little kids can be right? Those little 5 year old girls are regular Mata Haris.
Only a sadomoralist extolls the virtues ignorance and injustice as long as he agreed with the notion.
Kiss my ass, fool!
OOOOOH skewered by your rapier like wit.
Next time pull out all the stops and let me have it with an "Oh yeah?"
FDR called them concentration camps you fucking idiot and I suppose it doesn't matter to you that most of those people kidnapped by the fucking government were children.
We all know how dangerous little kids can be right? Those little 5 year old girls are regular Mata Haris.
You are really full of shit. I think it's all false outrage against a Democrat anyway, but you like pretend you aren't a Republican. Children have to be with parents, dumbass. They didn't want Japanese and Foreign Nationals on the west coast during the worst war the world has ever seen. Deal with it, fool!
Kiss my ass, fool!
OOOOOH skewered by your rapier like wit.
Next time pull out all the stops and let me have it with an "Oh yeah?"
Why don't you try to explain your case and back it up with concrete facts and figures?
Show us you can do something besides write a sentence or two!
FDR called them concentration camps you fucking idiot and I suppose it doesn't matter to you that most of those people kidnapped by the fucking government were children.
We all know how dangerous little kids can be right? Those little 5 year old girls are regular Mata Haris.
You are really full of shit. I think it's all false outrage against a Democrat anyway, but you like pretend you aren't a Republican. Children have to be with parents, dumbass. They didn't want Japanese and Foreign Nationals on the west coast during the worst war the world has ever seen. Deal with it, fool!
Yeah it's impossible for anyone to be against the unlawful unjust and cruel treatment of innocents without having underlying political motives.
Well for you maybe but I personally revere everyone's right to liberty above all else even if I disagree with them.
You should try it someday it really is liberating.
OOOOOH skewered by your rapier like wit.
Next time pull out all the stops and let me have it with an "Oh yeah?"
Why don't you try to explain your case and back it up with concrete facts and figures?
Show us you can do something besides write a sentence or two!
So you really believe that those innocent until proven guilty Japanese Americans were a threat and that because of that anything is justified?
Like I said you just love to impose your morality on everyone and are OK with the use of force to do it because there is just no scenario that your ovine brain can devise in which you are not 100% correct.
You don't even know what a concentration camp is.
I'm not concerned about the liberty of Japanese Americans when fascist government are at war with us.
the right to bear arms did not apply to AK41 assault weapons and rocket launchers for private protection but for military use. WTF do anyone other and the military need a AK41 for if not to kill lots of people?
You might not want people like that conquering your country.
You think war is some kind of game, because you weren't there fighting it.
Did the Japanese Imperial state call on all Japanese abroad to spy for it? Yes, they did.
Well, what about the Germans and Italians? The west coast of the United States was scared shitless. They sent German and Italian nationals to internment camps, along with all the Japanese. They weren't taking any chances of spying on the west coast, which had critical naval bases. Japan had a world class naval force that used modern carrier tactics. It had submarines that could relay signals from spys on land. The balance of power in the Pacific was in the hands of the Japanese and America was on the defensive. On the east coast, there was no threat of invasion, so even foreign enemy nationals were given freedom, but excluded from restricted areas. The priorities of war meant going after Germany first. The times were not looking good for Americans living that moment in history and they weren't looking good for the British and later the Soviets. It's only hindsight that makes people believe winning WWII wasn't the total war that it was. I'm sure those people living in cities that were fire bombed would trade places with those in internment camps.
I don't object to removing people posing a threat from the west coast or the internment of people they considered a threat anywhere during WWII. I think it was a mistake not to relocate many of the west coast Japanese further east and give them an opportunity to benefit themselves during the war years. The only threat they posed was spying which has limited transmission ranges and sabotage, which can be controlled by restricted areas and intelligence. Obviously Japanese would draw more attention than Italians and Germans.
How many Japanese-Americans were ever convicted of treason or espionage during WWII?
Answer: 0
What remains to this day the most decorated unit in US Military history?
Answer: The 442nd
Guess which Americans comprised the majority of the 442nd?
Answer: Look it up if you really don't know
Of course there were far, far, far~ more Americans of Italian and German ancestry in the US at the time.
Around 3000 Italians or Americans of Italian ancestry (civilians, not POWs) were 'concentrated' during the war.
Around 11,000 Germans or Americans of German ancestry were treated likewise.
And from the far, far, far~ smaller population of Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry? Over 100,000
Yeah, that fucking FDR was a real peach.
You are an idiot!
You don't even know what a concentration camp is.
Yes, I do. So did that piece of shit FDR when he ordered innocent Americans - among them some of the very best Americans - thrown into his CONCENTRATION CAMPS. This was after those innocent people had been locked up in filthy horse stables while said CONCENTRATION CAMPS were being built, complete with barbed wire and guard towers from where anyone trying to escape could be shot and killed.
It seems that YOU don't know what concentration camps are.
"concentration camp
n.
1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions."
"A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions."
"a guarded prison camp in which nonmilitary prisoners are held"
"A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned"
"President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."
"At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976)."
Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY
You don't even know what a concentration camp is.
Yes, I do. So did that piece of shit FDR when he ordered innocent Americans - among them some of the very best Americans - thrown into his CONCENTRATION CAMPS. This was after those innocent people had been locked up in filthy horse stables while said CONCENTRATION CAMPS were being built, complete with barbed wire and guard towers from where anyone trying to escape could be shot and killed.
It seems that YOU don't know what concentration camps are.
"concentration camp
n.
1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions."
"A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions."
"a guarded prison camp in which nonmilitary prisoners are held"
"A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned"
"President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."
"At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976)."
Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY
It's stupid to use the word concentration camp when 6 million Jews were killed by our enemy in WWII.
