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Obama did send over $100,000,000 in security assistance including defense and military equipment.I agree with Schiff that we need to take action against foreign interference in our elections; my comments about Ukraine was a clarification as to what I think he meant.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil. Yeah, well isn’t that what proxy wars are all about? I mean wasn’t that the rationale of W’s Iraqi War that was enthusiastically supported by all you Repubs. Better to fight them over there than over here.Dude that dumbfuck implied russia could physically attack us because of Trump.Schiff is right. Why Repubs want to surrender our sovereignty to the Russians is beyond me? Why the Repubs won’t defend the integrity of our elections against foreign interference boggles the mind. I suppose if Repubs see Russian interference as a benefit for them, they are for it. You know why? Because it is party over country for them.
You are just as stupid as he is.
All I am saying is that Schiff said nothing that hasn’t been said before and which all you Repubs haven’t said or agreed with at one time or another.
What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil.
The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back, eh?
How much aid did Obama give to Ukraine during his 8 years? Was it a lot?
I have written many times that I thought Obama was feckless and weak with Russia. If Obama refused to send over arms to the Ukraine authorized by Congress then he should have gotten into deep shit trouble for that as well.
If Obama refused to send over arms to the Ukraine authorized by Congress then he should have gotten into deep shit trouble for that as well.
He must have really been pushing to send weapons to Ukraine, eh?
Cause Russia is yucky and stuff.
Mean Republicans probably resisted his heroic efforts to help Ukraine. Right?
/——/ What about Shytface’s “Rock solid evidence?” What happened with all that bluster?Russia has no intention to "fight us over here"Obama was weak with Russia. I agree.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil.
Funny, did Obama not get that memo when he offered the Ukrainians blankets to defend themselves against the Russians?
Schiff's imagination is running rampant.
If he had a case worthy of trial he wouldn't have to spend 24 hours repeating the same shit over and over while wording it slightly differently each time. He wouldn't be demanding new "evidence" or witnesses that he didn't seek when it was time to seek them.
They can't admit it. They're corrupt.All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.LOL..The EU, the US and international organizations wanted Shokin removed for corruption.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil. Yeah, well isn’t that what proxy wars are all about? I mean wasn’t that the rationale of W’s Iraqi War that was enthusiastically supported by all you Repubs. Better to fight them over there than over here.
All I am saying is that Schiff said nothing that hasn’t been said before and which all you Repubs haven’t said or agreed with at one time or another.
So when VP Joe threatened to keep a billion in aid unless a certain Ukrainian prosecutor was fired, he was risking a Russian invasion?
I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
Trump was extorting the Ukraine for personal gain. See the difference.
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
Oh my! 2014Lies.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil.
Funny, did Obama not get that memo when he offered the Ukrainians blankets to defend themselves against the Russians?
The Obama administration sent body armor, vehicles, medical supplies, construction materials, and most importantly cash.
Not "blankets".
See post #45.Obama did send over $100,000,000 in security assistance including defense and military equipment.I agree with Schiff that we need to take action against foreign interference in our elections; my comments about Ukraine was a clarification as to what I think he meant.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil. Yeah, well isn’t that what proxy wars are all about? I mean wasn’t that the rationale of W’s Iraqi War that was enthusiastically supported by all you Repubs. Better to fight them over there than over here.Dude that dumbfuck implied russia could physically attack us because of Trump.
You are just as stupid as he is.
All I am saying is that Schiff said nothing that hasn’t been said before and which all you Repubs haven’t said or agreed with at one time or another.
What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil.
The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back, eh?
How much aid did Obama give to Ukraine during his 8 years? Was it a lot?
I have written many times that I thought Obama was feckless and weak with Russia. If Obama refused to send over arms to the Ukraine authorized by Congress then he should have gotten into deep shit trouble for that as well.
If Obama refused to send over arms to the Ukraine authorized by Congress then he should have gotten into deep shit trouble for that as well.
He must have really been pushing to send weapons to Ukraine, eh?
Cause Russia is yucky and stuff.
Mean Republicans probably resisted his heroic efforts to help Ukraine. Right?
It is lie that all he sent over were blankets.
The only person I can see that resisted "heroic" efforts to help the Ukraine was Trump himself.
Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.LOL..The EU, the US and international organizations wanted Shokin removed for corruption.So when VP Joe threatened to keep a billion in aid unless a certain Ukrainian prosecutor was fired, he was risking a Russian invasion?
I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
Trump was extorting the Ukraine for personal gain. See the difference.
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Schiff is right. Why Repubs want to surrender our sovereignty to the Russians is beyond me? Why the Repubs won’t defend the integrity of our elections against foreign interference boggles the mind. I suppose if Repubs see Russian interference as a benefit for them, they are for it. You know why? Because it is party over country for them.
Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.LOL..The EU, the US and international organizations wanted Shokin removed for corruption.
I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
Trump was extorting the Ukraine for personal gain. See the difference.
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
I agree there was an ethical conflict with Hunter on the board of Burisma with Joe. That had nothing to do with Shokin's firing however by the Ukrainian government. Hunter is Joe's Billy Carter but only on steroids.Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.LOL..The EU, the US and international organizations wanted Shokin removed for corruption.
I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
Trump was extorting the Ukraine for personal gain. See the difference.
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
Obama put the fox in charge of The Hen House.
I agree there was conflict with Hunter on the board of Burisma. That had nothing to do with Shokin's firing however by the Ukrainian government. Hunter is Joe's Billy Carter but only on steroids.Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.I've heard that claim made repeatedly in defense of Biden's extortion...While I have seen very little evidence that this is the case, I would note that does NOT make 'ok' the method in which Biden went about it, nor does it lessen the scrutiny Biden should go through due to the fact that this happened when Shokin was investigating the company his son was employed for USVP access...
No, no I don't....Had Hunter Biden not been working for the firm in which Shokin was investigating, making a boat load of money for nothing, then you may have a point, BUT, it is crystal clear that the only reason the young Biden had that job at all was not for any knowledge in the field, but rather for access to office of the VP of the United States...Then Biden had the balls to brag about extorting the government of Ukraine to quash that investigation....
So, on the one hand you have today, Democrats making up out of whole cloth some alterior motive that President Trump had in his conversation with President Z of Ukraine, and using it to fabricate an impeachment inquiry that didn't even charge Trump with anything impeachable, while on the other hand putting out the narrative that Democrats, and certainly NOT Biden can be investigated for crimes, even when they brag about comitting them....
You people are just laughable...
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
The two aren't remotely similar. That is just a Trump talking point. I have already explained the difference ad infinitum.I agree there was conflict with Hunter on the board of Burisma. That had nothing to do with Shokin's firing however by the Ukrainian government. Hunter is Joe's Billy Carter but only on steroids.Here is how USA Today explained it:All this Biden business will disappear like the Will O' The Wisp when the election is over. It is a useful tool to distract from Trump's crimes. It will be like Hillary's e-mails and Benghazi that were just nothing despite investigation after investigation. Useful tools for useful idiots.
Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
If you really believe that, then there is no way you can buy this BS against Trump...Not without showing extreme hypocrisy that is...
Obama put the fox in charge of The Hen House.
The two aren't remotely similar. That is just a Trump talking point. I have already explained the difference ad infinitum.I agree there was conflict with Hunter on the board of Burisma. That had nothing to do with Shokin's firing however by the Ukrainian government. Hunter is Joe's Billy Carter but only on steroids.Here is how USA Today explained it:Yet, you want to impeach and remove a sitting President for a charge that your side can't even list in the charging document? Talk about alternative reality....Look John, you would have to be a complete imbicile to watch that tape of Biden bragging that he used $1 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine to get them to fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was drawing a salary from, and say nothing to see here....Unbelievable!
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
If you really believe that, then there is no way you can buy this BS against Trump...Not without showing extreme hypocrisy that is...
The Fox spin about the lack of attention is interesting, especially Murkowski's.He's quite mad, you know.
California Rep. Adam Schiff, suggested that Russians could attack the U.S. and insisted that removing Trump from office was necessary because the integrity of the 2020 election could not be "assured."
Schiff warns of Russian attack on US mainland, as Day 2 of Trump's Senate impeachment trial concludes
But it looks like the Dems are taking a page from the Barr MO and hammering their case home thru repetition before they lose the floor, like Barr did with the Mueller Report no Republican read thru (except Amash). And now the Republicans are pulling the same affected indifference to the Dem charges. The Republican disinterest may cost them though. There are a few polls suggesting the Republican plan of no witnesses may cost a seat or two.
As for the Russians coming...I loved the movie! Think Fox will show those lovable submariners and incompetent islanders again?
They're already here, kid.He's quite mad, you know.
California Rep. Adam Schiff, suggested that Russians could attack the U.S. and insisted that removing Trump from office was necessary because the integrity of the 2020 election could not be "assured."
Schiff warns of Russian attack on US mainland, as Day 2 of Trump's Senate impeachment trial concludes
tRump invited them in.
I agree with Schiff that we need to take action against foreign interference in our elections; my comments about Ukraine was a clarification as to what I think he meant.What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil. Yeah, well isn’t that what proxy wars are all about? I mean wasn’t that the rationale of W’s Iraqi War that was enthusiastically supported by all you Repubs. Better to fight them over there than over here.Dude that dumbfuck implied russia could physically attack us because of Trump.Schiff is right. Why Repubs want to surrender our sovereignty to the Russians is beyond me? Why the Repubs won’t defend the integrity of our elections against foreign interference boggles the mind. I suppose if Repubs see Russian interference as a benefit for them, they are for it. You know why? Because it is party over country for them.
You are just as stupid as he is.
All I am saying is that Schiff said nothing that hasn’t been said before and which all you Repubs haven’t said or agreed with at one time or another.
What he said, or rather implied, based on the Fox story alone, is that it was better to confront Russia in the Ukraine than on home soil.
The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back, eh?
How much aid did Obama give to Ukraine during his 8 years? Was it a lot?
I have written many times that I thought Obama was feckless and weak with Russia. If Obama refused to send over arms to the Ukraine authorized by Congress then he should have gotten into deep shit trouble for that as well.
You know you just can't respond to every link saying the source is from a "Liberal" outlet. That is just a nonsense deflection. What is it in the article that is incorrect?The two aren't remotely similar. That is just a Trump talking point. I have already explained the difference ad infinitum.I agree there was conflict with Hunter on the board of Burisma. That had nothing to do with Shokin's firing however by the Ukrainian government. Hunter is Joe's Billy Carter but only on steroids.Here is how USA Today explained it:
" The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.
Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.
"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."
At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.
Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.
They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.
Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.
Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.
The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014."
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Please do not get your facts from Sean Hannity and Breitbart. They will mislead you.
Don't listen to liberal outlets, they will mislead you....
"In April 2014, Biden's son Hunter joined the board of Burisma Holdings. Hunter served on the board until early 2019."
"From the start, Hunter's role at Burisma was criticized by ethics watchdogs as a conflict of interest for his father, who was still vice president at the time and heavily focused on pressuring Ukraine to do a better job rooting out corruption."
"Yoshiko M. Herrera, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison and an an expert on Russia and Eurasia, told The Washington Post: "I think there is a conflict of interest even if it doesn't break any laws. It's a big deal. It's the vice president, who is the point person of the Obama administration's policy on Ukraine, and his son is suddenly hired to be a director on the board of Ukraine's largest private gas producer."
A Ukraine gas company tied to Joe Biden's son is at the center of the Trump-whistleblower scandal
If you really believe that, then there is no way you can buy this BS against Trump...Not without showing extreme hypocrisy that is...
No, you gave a link to a USA Today story from another liberal, spinning it....And you buy that spin...
I agree though, Biden, and his corruption is not similar to Trump....Biden's is real corruption, and Trump's is made up.
