The sources of Trump's wiretap claim are revealed today by the Washington Post

[OKTexas]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

Really? I guess the MSM forgot the front page news of the NY Times on Jan 20, 2017

View attachment 115927

Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

Really? I guess the MSM forgot the front page news of the NY Times on Jan 20, 2017

View attachment 115927

Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

So you haven't actually read it but still claim it says something that it doesn't?

 

[theHawk]

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

This is from January 20th New York Times. Now the New York Times is, apparently saying, this article was not true.

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

This is from January 20th New York Times. Now the New York Times is, apparently saying, this article was not true.

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

FISA rules are very clear about that.

Perhaps you can post that?

 

[OKTexas]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

Really? I guess the MSM forgot the front page news of the NY Times on Jan 20, 2017

View attachment 115927

Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

So you haven't actually read it but still claim it says something that it doesn't?

And that would be what?

 

[brummelben]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

maybe YOU can show us just where Trumps proof is?

 

[theHawk]

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

This is from January 20th New York Times. Now the New York Times is, apparently saying, this article was not true.

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

FISA rules are very clear about that.

Perhaps you can post that?

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]

..


"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia

 

[The Original Tree]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

maybe YOU can show us just where Trumps proof is?

The wire tap happened. And you Leftist Marxist were actually citing sources for it just over a week ago when you were giddy over Flynn being asked to resign. It's not nice to soil yourselves in public like that. You had such a woody over this story, that you prematurely ejaculated in your pants and completely forgot that this implicated Obama and his administration in a Criminal Felony.

Both The FBI, and Obama have seen The Flynn Transcripts. The call occurred at Trump Tower, therefore Trump Tower was wire tapped.

Multiple Felonies were committed in this act by The Obama Administration. The FBI cleared Flynn of any wrong doing based on the Wire Tap transcripts, and with that act, condemned the very people who committed multiple felonies to discredit The Trump Administration.

So how phucking stupid are you Leftist Marxist?

Pretty phucking stupid.

You were given enough rope to hang yourselves. And I hope when you do get hung, it's a windy day, because I want to watch The Dem Party swing for a while.

 

[brummelben]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

maybe YOU can show us just where Trumps proof is?

The wire tap happened. And you Leftist Marxist were actually citing sources for it just over a week ago. Both The FBI, and Obama have seen The Flynn Transcripts. The call occurred at Trump Tower, therefore Trump Tower was wire tapped.

Multiple Felonies were committed in this act by The Obama Administration. The FBI cleared Flynn of any wrong doing based on the Wire Tap transcripts.

So how phucking stupid are you Leftist Marxist?

Pretty phucking stupid.

Once again, dude, where is your proof? Where is Trumps proof?

 

[Coyote]

The Phone call occurred in Trump Tower.
The Washington Post was given a Transcript of it.
That Act was a Felony because the only way anyone was able to gain a transcript of such a call was through a Wire Tap. This was classified information, and FISA and wire taps of any sort are not supposed to be used against American Citizens, and since Flynn committed no crimes, exactly what was "The Probable Cause" for such a wire tap?

So is Clapper lying when he said there was no Wire Tapping at Trump Tower?
He already lied to congress once: Eric Snowden Proved that.

Or was he lying when he said there is no Collusion between the Trump team and Russia?

Please answer the questions.

And then answer this: Where is Waldo?

Obama Bin Lying is an opinionated ahole. So why hasn't he come out of his bunker with Valerie Vagina Jarret and denied the wire tapping story?

And Where is Big Mouth Hillary Rotten Clinton to throw her two cents in?
Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump - The Washington Post

How about Jill "Doesn't Shave Her Armpits" Stein? She loves the spotlight, so why is she in hiding? She doesn't have an opinion on this?

Trump Tower was not wire tapped. The Russian ambassador was. When he talked with contacts in Trump Tower those conversations were naturally recorded. Just like the ambassador's conversations with other people in other places (and no, those places weren't wiretapped either)

It's far reaching. The investigations have become so broad that the agencies forced Deutshe Bank to crawl thru Ivanka and Jared's bank accounts. AND Jared's mothers.

Now it defies logic Coyote when everyone around Trump is being investigated and under surveillance that the intelligent agencies aren't investigating Trump?

Seriously?

You hit it on the nail. We know that the Russian phone lines were wiretapped. Obama wanted this investigation done BEFORE he left office. And I am sure that it was done. In fact, it's reported by several that he PRESERVED intelligence on this because there is DAMMING EVIDENCE.
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

Obama wasn't going to turn this over to FBI director James Comey, because he is also under investigation for his interference into the election. And he sure wouldn't give it to Republicans who would have squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

So in order to do this, Obama would have had to work around FBI director James Comey. IOW he was working with other intelligence, possibly someone within the DOJ or the CIA or one of the military intelligence agencies.

So this Senate investigation is really the 2nd investigation, for the show.

So Obama is sitting back patiently waiting, and every time one of them lies under oath, like Flynn and Sessions another leak pops up. He has cast a very broad net, and his intention is to insnarl all of them in it before he's done. I imagine when Democrats take over in 2018 then he'll release it all.

Trump & company have been wholly outfoxed by Barack Obama.

BUT THE POINT IS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS: You had better HOPE that Trump is LYING about this wiretap of the Trump tower, because then it's extremely serious. Because that actually does require a WARRANT issued by a Federal District Court Judge. The President cannot order it. Probable cause has to be shown to a District Court Judge for them to issue a wiretap on an American citizen.

And Lindsey Graham explains it for you.
Lindsey Graham: Obama Wiretap of Trump's Phones Would Be 'Biggest Political Scandal Since Watergate'

So while James Comey is saying nothing happened, it really doesn't mean that this investigation was even done by the FBI. You'll note that James Comey wanted the DOJ to publicly deny that the Trump Tower was wiretapped, and they have NOT done that, or even commented on it.
Comey asks Justice Department to deny Trump's wiretapping accusations - Breitbart

Well all of the leaks are going to be investigated and people will be wearing orange.

Leaks SHOULD be investigated. In FACT - that was also what the Obama administration was doing as well when they had problems with leaks, wasn't it?

What Obama has ordered is illegal.

What did he actually order and what proof do you have to support the claim?

Grassley is going to be investigating potential collusion between the FBI and the Clinton team and abuse of agencies by Obama.

And...?
They're also investigating Trump and the Trump team for potential collusion with Russia and the Russian hacks.
It's their job to investigate, and then move on if there is no evidence.

Oh happy day. You see when Senator Grassley and others found out the FBI actually considered buying the fake dossier they got royally pissed off and have given Comey two weeks to come up with answers.

I'm trying to figure out what is WRONG with that since it might be pertinant to their investigations on Russian activities and the Trump campaign. Can you explain what is illegal here? Add to that - has anyone confirmed it's "fake"?

BTW watch what happens over the next few days. Podesta and his brother.

Tony works for the largest Russian bank as a lobbyist. He made over $170,000 from Russia last year.

Sberbank's major shareholder is the Russian government. It's nickname is the KGB bank.

Essentially Tony Podesta has been working for the Russian government.

This isn't about Podesta.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

The source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.

maybe YOU can show us just where Trumps proof is?

The same place as all unnamed sources are...go look there, you'll see...and what does this have to do with my post that you quoted?

 

[koshergrl]

We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.

Christians did.

The pagans and the atheists...they thought tiny little people ran their emotions and refused to believe the world was a sphere when the horizon was straight. Then, as now, they couldn't believe something they didn't personally witness or think of.

Morons then, morons now.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:

White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims

Really? I guess the MSM forgot the front page news of the NY Times on Jan 20, 2017

View attachment 115927

Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

So you haven't actually read it but still claim it says something that it doesn't?

And that would be what?

Proof of wiretapping at Trump Tower.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Then again Trump's had how long to name a source, and he did say newspapers shouldn't get away with not naming sources, so, maybe Trump doesn't really have a source at all, other than shitty right wing talk radio hosts.

This is from January 20th New York Times. Now the New York Times is, apparently saying, this article was not true.

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

FISA rules are very clear about that.

Perhaps you can post that?

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]

..


"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia

Thank you for posting it.

Do you have evidence that there is a violation?

 

[Darkwind]

We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.

Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.

Yep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.

Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.

 

[OKTexas]

Really? I guess the MSM forgot the front page news of the NY Times on Jan 20, 2017

View attachment 115927

Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

So you haven't actually read it but still claim it says something that it doesn't?

And that would be what?

Proof of wiretapping at Trump Tower.

You understand a tap doesn't have to be physically at the location, right? Some bureaucrat can set up your phone to conference him in on any call and never leave his desk.

 

[theHawk]

This is from January 20th New York Times. Now the New York Times is, apparently saying, this article was not true.

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

FISA rules are very clear about that.

Perhaps you can post that?

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]

..


"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia

Thank you for posting it.

Do you have evidence that there is a violation?

Are you kidding? The Flynn leak.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.

I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.

So you haven't actually read it but still claim it says something that it doesn't?

And that would be what?

Proof of wiretapping at Trump Tower.

You understand a tap doesn't have to be physically at the location, right? Some bureaucrat can set up your phone to conference him in on any call and never leave his desk.

I do indeed. What we do know however, is that the Russian officials were indeed monitored and that calls with Trump officials were captured as a result. There is no evidence that any other communications from the Trump officials have been captured.

It's not real.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Nope, only pathological liars on the Right are saying that the NY Times is saying the article is not true.

Like all professional liars, the Right leaves out the key part of the NY times article by showing only the front page and not linking to the full article and knowing the front page only shows enough to deliberately deceive. Nowhere in the NY Times article does it say Tramp Tower or Tramp was wiretapped, but it does sat this:

"The counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect’s past and present advisers have had with Russia. Mr. Manafort has done business in Ukraine and Russia. Some of his contacts there were under surveillance by the National Security Agency for suspected links to Russia’s Federal Security Service, one of the officials said."

That's right, the article clearly says the wiretaps were in Russia and Ukraine, not Tramp's Tower.

And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.

The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.

So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.

The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".

FISA rules are very clear about that.

Perhaps you can post that?

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]

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"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia

Thank you for posting it.

Do you have evidence that there is a violation?

Are you kidding? The Flynn leak.

What was leaked?

 

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The Phone call occurred in Trump Tower.
The Washington Post was given a Transcript of it.
That Act was a Felony because the only way anyone was able to gain a transcript of such a call was through a Wire Tap. This was classified information, and FISA and wire taps of any sort are not supposed to be used against American Citizens, and since Flynn committed no crimes, exactly what was "The Probable Cause" for such a wire tap?

So is Clapper lying when he said there was no Wire Tapping at Trump Tower?
He already lied to congress once: Eric Snowden Proved that.

Or was he lying when he said there is no Collusion between the Trump team and Russia?

Please answer the questions.

And then answer this: Where is Waldo?

Obama Bin Lying is an opinionated ahole. So why hasn't he come out of his bunker with Valerie Vagina Jarret and denied the wire tapping story?

And Where is Big Mouth Hillary Rotten Clinton to throw her two cents in?
Clinton: ‘Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?’ of Trump - The Washington Post

How about Jill "Doesn't Shave Her Armpits" Stein? She loves the spotlight, so why is she in hiding? She doesn't have an opinion on this?

Trump Tower was not wire tapped. The Russian ambassador was. When he talked with contacts in Trump Tower those conversations were naturally recorded. Just like the ambassador's conversations with other people in other places (and no, those places weren't wiretapped either)

It's far reaching. The investigations have become so broad that the agencies forced Deutshe Bank to crawl thru Ivanka and Jared's bank accounts. AND Jared's mothers.

Now it defies logic Coyote when everyone around Trump is being investigated and under surveillance that the intelligent agencies aren't investigating Trump?

Seriously?

You hit it on the nail. We know that the Russian phone lines were wiretapped. Obama wanted this investigation done BEFORE he left office. And I am sure that it was done. In fact, it's reported by several that he PRESERVED intelligence on this because there is DAMMING EVIDENCE.
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates

Obama wasn't going to turn this over to FBI director James Comey, because he is also under investigation for his interference into the election. And he sure wouldn't give it to Republicans who would have squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

So in order to do this, Obama would have had to work around FBI director James Comey. IOW he was working with other intelligence, possibly someone within the DOJ or the CIA or one of the military intelligence agencies.

So this Senate investigation is really the 2nd investigation, for the show.

So Obama is sitting back patiently waiting, and every time one of them lies under oath, like Flynn and Sessions another leak pops up. He has cast a very broad net, and his intention is to insnarl all of them in it before he's done. I imagine when Democrats take over in 2018 then he'll release it all.

Trump & company have been wholly outfoxed by Barack Obama.

BUT THE POINT IS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS: You had better HOPE that Trump is LYING about this wiretap of the Trump tower, because then it's extremely serious. Because that actually does require a WARRANT issued by a Federal District Court Judge. The President cannot order it. Probable cause has to be shown to a District Court Judge for them to issue a wiretap on an American citizen.

And Lindsey Graham explains it for you.
Lindsey Graham: Obama Wiretap of Trump's Phones Would Be 'Biggest Political Scandal Since Watergate'

So while James Comey is saying nothing happened, it really doesn't mean that this investigation was even done by the FBI. You'll note that James Comey wanted the DOJ to publicly deny that the Trump Tower was wiretapped, and they have NOT done that, or even commented on it.
Comey asks Justice Department to deny Trump's wiretapping accusations - Breitbart

Well all of the leaks are going to be investigated and people will be wearing orange.

Leaks SHOULD be investigated. In FACT - that was also what the Obama administration was doing as well when they had problems with leaks, wasn't it?

What Obama has ordered is illegal.

What did he actually order and what proof do you have to support the claim?

Grassley is going to be investigating potential collusion between the FBI and the Clinton team and abuse of agencies by Obama.

And...?
They're also investigating Trump and the Trump team for potential collusion with Russia and the Russian hacks.
It's their job to investigate, and then move on if there is no evidence.

Oh happy day. You see when Senator Grassley and others found out the FBI actually considered buying the fake dossier they got royally pissed off and have given Comey two weeks to come up with answers.

I'm trying to figure out what is WRONG with that since it might be pertinant to their investigations on Russian activities and the Trump campaign. Can you explain what is illegal here? Add to that - has anyone confirmed it's "fake"?

BTW watch what happens over the next few days. Podesta and his brother.

Tony works for the largest Russian bank as a lobbyist. He made over $170,000 from Russia last year.

Sberbank's major shareholder is the Russian government. It's nickname is the KGB bank.

Essentially Tony Podesta has been working for the Russian government.

This isn't about Podesta.

The FBI should not had been investigating anyone since a crime was never committed. You can't just order the FBI to wiretap someone because you think they are up to something. Obama abused his power, he and his cronies at the FBI should had never been investigating Trump or his staff. Any such "investigation" would had been purely political, as the illegal leaks prove it was.

Has any evidence of wrongdoing by a Trump staff been found? Nope.