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And your FAIL to understand that any recording or data on such a FISA wiretap that involves an American must be compartmentalized and NOT used. The claim that the "other side" was being wiretapped is NOT an excuse. FISA rules are very clear about that. Yet the info was being used against the American, in this case Flynn, and it was being forwarded to the White House according to The NY Times.
The other problem you Dem hacks have, is that just the other day Clapper said that authority to wiretap Trump associates was NOT authorized through FISA.
So one of the agencies, headed by Obama at the time, used the information from a wiretap ILLEGALY. Even if it was originally collected by a legal FISA wiretap on a Russian, that recording could not be used by the agency in any way. Instead, as we all know, it was leaked for political purposes to destroy Flynn and harm the Trump administration.
The article also notes that no wrongdoing on part of the Trump staffers was found. So why was Trump and his staff being investigated in the first place? No law was ever broken, yet Obama apparently ordered them to wiretap them in order to find dirt. This is what the New York Times calls "a broad investigation".
FISA rules are very clear about that.
Perhaps you can post that?
The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]
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"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
Thank you for posting it.
Do you have evidence that there is a violation?
Are you kidding? The Flynn leak.
What was leaked?
Trump Tower was not wire tapped. The Russian ambassador was. When he talked with contacts in Trump Tower those conversations were naturally recorded. Just like the ambassador's conversations with other people in other places (and no, those places weren't wiretapped either)
It's far reaching. The investigations have become so broad that the agencies forced Deutshe Bank to crawl thru Ivanka and Jared's bank accounts. AND Jared's mothers.
Now it defies logic Coyote when everyone around Trump is being investigated and under surveillance that the intelligent agencies aren't investigating Trump?
Seriously?
was it ok to investigate t rumps friends the russians?
You hit it on the nail. We know that the Russian phone lines were wiretapped. Obama wanted this investigation done BEFORE he left office. And I am sure that it was done. In fact, it's reported by several that he PRESERVED intelligence on this because there is DAMMING EVIDENCE.
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates
Obama wasn't going to turn this over to FBI director James Comey, because he is also under investigation for his interference into the election. And he sure wouldn't give it to Republicans who would have squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI
So in order to do this, Obama would have had to work around FBI director James Comey. IOW he was working with other intelligence, possibly someone within the DOJ or the CIA or one of the military intelligence agencies.
So this Senate investigation is really the 2nd investigation, for the show.
So Obama is sitting back patiently waiting, and every time one of them lies under oath, like Flynn and Sessions another leak pops up. He has cast a very broad net, and his intention is to insnarl all of them in it before he's done. I imagine when Democrats take over in 2018 then he'll release it all.
Trump & company have been wholly outfoxed by Barack Obama.
BUT THE POINT IS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS: You had better HOPE that Trump is LYING about this wiretap of the Trump tower, because then it's extremely serious. Because that actually does require a WARRANT issued by a Federal District Court Judge. The President cannot order it. Probable cause has to be shown to a District Court Judge for them to issue a wiretap on an American citizen.
And Lindsey Graham explains it for you.
Lindsey Graham: Obama Wiretap of Trump's Phones Would Be 'Biggest Political Scandal Since Watergate'
So while James Comey is saying nothing happened, it really doesn't mean that this investigation was even done by the FBI. You'll note that James Comey wanted the DOJ to publicly deny that the Trump Tower was wiretapped, and they have NOT done that, or even commented on it.
Comey asks Justice Department to deny Trump's wiretapping accusations - Breitbart
Well all of the leaks are going to be investigated and people will be wearing orange.
Leaks SHOULD be investigated. In FACT - that was also what the Obama administration was doing as well when they had problems with leaks, wasn't it?
What Obama has ordered is illegal.
What did he actually order and what proof do you have to support the claim?
Grassley is going to be investigating potential collusion between the FBI and the Clinton team and abuse of agencies by Obama.
And...?
They're also investigating Trump and the Trump team for potential collusion with Russia and the Russian hacks.
It's their job to investigate, and then move on if there is no evidence.
Oh happy day. You see when Senator Grassley and others found out the FBI actually considered buying the fake dossier they got royally pissed off and have given Comey two weeks to come up with answers.
I'm trying to figure out what is WRONG with that since it might be pertinant to their investigations on Russian activities and the Trump campaign. Can you explain what is illegal here? Add to that - has anyone confirmed it's "fake"?
BTW watch what happens over the next few days. Podesta and his brother.
Tony works for the largest Russian bank as a lobbyist. He made over $170,000 from Russia last year.
Sberbank's major shareholder is the Russian government. It's nickname is the KGB bank.
Essentially Tony Podesta has been working for the Russian government.
This isn't about Podesta.
The FBI should not had been investigating anyone since a crime was never committed. You can't just order the FBI to wiretap someone because you think they are up to something. Obama abused his power, he and his cronies at the FBI should had never been investigating Trump or his staff. Any such "investigation" would had been purely political, as the illegal leaks prove it was.
Has any evidence of wrongdoing by a Trump staff been found? Nope.
is lying considered a wrongdoing by republicans?It's far reaching. The investigations have become so broad that the agencies forced Deutshe Bank to crawl thru Ivanka and Jared's bank accounts. AND Jared's mothers.
Now it defies logic Coyote when everyone around Trump is being investigated and under surveillance that the intelligent agencies aren't investigating Trump?
Seriously?
was it ok to investigate t rumps friends the russians?
You hit it on the nail. We know that the Russian phone lines were wiretapped. Obama wanted this investigation done BEFORE he left office. And I am sure that it was done. In fact, it's reported by several that he PRESERVED intelligence on this because there is DAMMING EVIDENCE.
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates
Obama wasn't going to turn this over to FBI director James Comey, because he is also under investigation for his interference into the election. And he sure wouldn't give it to Republicans who would have squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI
So in order to do this, Obama would have had to work around FBI director James Comey. IOW he was working with other intelligence, possibly someone within the DOJ or the CIA or one of the military intelligence agencies.
So this Senate investigation is really the 2nd investigation, for the show.
So Obama is sitting back patiently waiting, and every time one of them lies under oath, like Flynn and Sessions another leak pops up. He has cast a very broad net, and his intention is to insnarl all of them in it before he's done. I imagine when Democrats take over in 2018 then he'll release it all.
Trump & company have been wholly outfoxed by Barack Obama.
BUT THE POINT IS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS: You had better HOPE that Trump is LYING about this wiretap of the Trump tower, because then it's extremely serious. Because that actually does require a WARRANT issued by a Federal District Court Judge. The President cannot order it. Probable cause has to be shown to a District Court Judge for them to issue a wiretap on an American citizen.
And Lindsey Graham explains it for you.
Lindsey Graham: Obama Wiretap of Trump's Phones Would Be 'Biggest Political Scandal Since Watergate'
So while James Comey is saying nothing happened, it really doesn't mean that this investigation was even done by the FBI. You'll note that James Comey wanted the DOJ to publicly deny that the Trump Tower was wiretapped, and they have NOT done that, or even commented on it.
Comey asks Justice Department to deny Trump's wiretapping accusations - Breitbart
Well all of the leaks are going to be investigated and people will be wearing orange.
Leaks SHOULD be investigated. In FACT - that was also what the Obama administration was doing as well when they had problems with leaks, wasn't it?
What Obama has ordered is illegal.
What did he actually order and what proof do you have to support the claim?
Grassley is going to be investigating potential collusion between the FBI and the Clinton team and abuse of agencies by Obama.
And...?
They're also investigating Trump and the Trump team for potential collusion with Russia and the Russian hacks.
It's their job to investigate, and then move on if there is no evidence.
Oh happy day. You see when Senator Grassley and others found out the FBI actually considered buying the fake dossier they got royally pissed off and have given Comey two weeks to come up with answers.
I'm trying to figure out what is WRONG with that since it might be pertinant to their investigations on Russian activities and the Trump campaign. Can you explain what is illegal here? Add to that - has anyone confirmed it's "fake"?
BTW watch what happens over the next few days. Podesta and his brother.
Tony works for the largest Russian bank as a lobbyist. He made over $170,000 from Russia last year.
Sberbank's major shareholder is the Russian government. It's nickname is the KGB bank.
Essentially Tony Podesta has been working for the Russian government.
This isn't about Podesta.
The FBI should not had been investigating anyone since a crime was never committed. You can't just order the FBI to wiretap someone because you think they are up to something. Obama abused his power, he and his cronies at the FBI should had never been investigating Trump or his staff. Any such "investigation" would had been purely political, as the illegal leaks prove it was.
Has any evidence of wrongdoing by a Trump staff been found? Nope.
Yep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.
Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.
the republicans of the pastYep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.
Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.
Christians even excommunicated Galileo for his heresy of saying the earth revolved around the sun.
The Phone call occurred in Trump Tower.
The Washington Post was given a Transcript of it.
That Act was a Felony because the only way anyone was able to gain a transcript of such a call was through a Wire Tap.
So is Clapper lying when he said there was no Wire Tapping at Trump Tower?
He already lied to congress once: Eric Snowden Proved that.
Or was he lying when he said there is no Collusion between the Trump team and Russia?
Please answer the questions.
No, wire tapping is not the only way to get such a transcript.
Are you actually dumb?Perhaps you can post that?
The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year, provided that it is only to acquire foreign intelligence information,[5] that it is solely directed at communications or property controlled exclusively by foreign powers,[6] that there is no substantial likelihood that it will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party, and that it be conducted only in accordance with defined minimization procedures.[7]
..
"Minimization procedures" is defined to mean procedures that minimize the acquisition of information concerning United States persons, allow the retention of information that is evidence of a crime, and require a court order be obtained in order to retain communication involving a United States person for longer than 72 hours.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
Thank you for posting it.
Do you have evidence that there is a violation?
Are you kidding? The Flynn leak.
What was leaked?
Are you playing dumb? An edited transcript/recording of Flynn. It was obtained by a FISA authorized wiretap (allegedly, we haven't been given that evidence). That recording and transcript should had been deleted within 72 hours per FISA rules. The fact that it was passed around and leaked means a felony was committed. Even Rep Jim Himes (D) on the House Intelligence Committee agrees with that.
the republicans of the pastYep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.
Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.
Christians even excommunicated Galileo for his heresy of saying the earth revolved around the sun.
But the distinction between past gopers/Galileo and Trumpbots is that theories had to be capable of objective proof. And to be fair, it's not all Trump. Trump is more a Knownothing than a modern day republican - he's base and crass and plays to people's fears rather than trying to inspire us all to do better, but it was Cheney who said deficits no longer mattered. The gop has to heal that fracture first. Ari Flieshner was on Morning Joe trying to defend Trumpcare and deficits, and both the dem and gop surrogates laughed at himthe republicans of the pastYep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.
Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.
Christians even excommunicated Galileo for his heresy of saying the earth revolved around the sun.
I missed cheating Joe this morning I'm usually on CNBCBut the distinction between past gopers/Galileo and Trumpbots is that theories had to be capable of objective proof. And to be fair, it's not all Trump. Trump is more a Knownothing than a modern day republican - he's base and crass and plays to people's fears rather than trying to inspire us all to do better, but it was Cheney who said deficits no longer mattered. The gop has to heal that fracture first. Ari Flieshner was on Morning Joe trying to defend Trumpcare and deficits, and both the dem and gop surrogates laughed at himthe republicans of the pastYep. There was a huge scientific consensus that the Earth was flat. They even gave Galileo a name for his heresy.Because we already had proof before space exploration, prior to that it was believed to be flat.We don't need proof of obvious truthhoods. Did we know the earth was round before the space exploration? Of course we did.
Rounder.......what a bastard for not believing in consensus.
Christians even excommunicated Galileo for his heresy of saying the earth revolved around the sun.
Note the second column from the left. So where did they get wiretap data if there were no wiretaps? If you read the story, the dear leader was briefed on the data.
Link the article and post the part that confirms your position.
I gave you a photo of the article, feel free to google it. I'm not your secretary.
Are you playing dumb? An edited transcript/recording of Flynn. It was obtained by a FISA authorized wiretap (allegedly, we haven't been given that evidence). That recording and transcript should had been deleted within 72 hours per FISA rules. The fact that it was passed around and leaked means a felony was committed. Even Rep Jim Himes (D) on the House Intelligence Committee agrees with that.
More ways to do that than a wire tap. When you talk out loud in a room that has at least one window. A laser bouncing off the window can and does give what is said using the Doppler Effect and at the speed of light but so small that only a laser can detect it and you hear what they say on the return.
thank you mean guy for putting their bs to restAre you playing dumb? An edited transcript/recording of Flynn. It was obtained by a FISA authorized wiretap (allegedly, we haven't been given that evidence). That recording and transcript should had been deleted within 72 hours per FISA rules. The fact that it was passed around and leaked means a felony was committed. Even Rep Jim Himes (D) on the House Intelligence Committee agrees with that.
The FISA court ruled they could hold onto such ifnormation for 5 years,
Anyone disputing the wire tap of Flynn is an idiot.
The FBI used the transcripts of the Wire Tap to exonerate Flynn.
No crimes were committed, by Flynn.
thank you mean guy for putting their bs to restThe FISA court ruled they could hold onto such ifnormation for 5 years,
their heads are hard like concrete,,,,,good luckthank you mean guy for putting their bs to restThe FISA court ruled they could hold onto such ifnormation for 5 years,
Next is to get them to understand that it was the russians who were being wiretaped.
We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:
Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.
White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claimsThe source of your post/claim is a left wing organization, so all else being equal...it proves nothing.We now know who is the source of Donald Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower. From the Washington Post:
Trump has since provided no proof to back up his assertion, which has been rebuffed by Obama, FBI Director James B. Comey and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. On Monday, senior administration officials contorted themselves trying to defend the president’s claims, which seemed to emanate largely in response to a rant on conservative talk radio and in an article on Breitbart News, the conservative website that Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, formerly led.
White House aides struggle to defend Trump wiretap claims
Trump Tower was not wire tapped. The Russian ambassador was. When he talked with contacts in Trump Tower those conversations were naturally recorded. Just like the ambassador's conversations with other people in other places (and no, those places weren't wiretapped either)
It's far reaching. The investigations have become so broad that the agencies forced Deutshe Bank to crawl thru Ivanka and Jared's bank accounts. AND Jared's mothers.
Now it defies logic Coyote when everyone around Trump is being investigated and under surveillance that the intelligent agencies aren't investigating Trump?
Seriously?
You hit it on the nail. We know that the Russian phone lines were wiretapped. Obama wanted this investigation done BEFORE he left office. And I am sure that it was done. In fact, it's reported by several that he PRESERVED intelligence on this because there is DAMMING EVIDENCE.
Obama administration reportedly raced to preserve intelligence on possible contact between Russians and Trump associates
Obama wasn't going to turn this over to FBI director James Comey, because he is also under investigation for his interference into the election. And he sure wouldn't give it to Republicans who would have squashed it.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI
So in order to do this, Obama would have had to work around FBI director James Comey. IOW he was working with other intelligence, possibly someone within the DOJ or the CIA or one of the military intelligence agencies.
So this Senate investigation is really the 2nd investigation, for the show.
So Obama is sitting back patiently waiting, and every time one of them lies under oath, like Flynn and Sessions another leak pops up. He has cast a very broad net, and his intention is to insnarl all of them in it before he's done. I imagine when Democrats take over in 2018 then he'll release it all.
Trump & company have been wholly outfoxed by Barack Obama.
BUT THE POINT IS FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS: You had better HOPE that Trump is LYING about this wiretap of the Trump tower, because then it's extremely serious. Because that actually does require a WARRANT issued by a Federal District Court Judge. The President cannot order it. Probable cause has to be shown to a District Court Judge for them to issue a wiretap on an American citizen.
And Lindsey Graham explains it for you.
Lindsey Graham: Obama Wiretap of Trump's Phones Would Be 'Biggest Political Scandal Since Watergate'
So while James Comey is saying nothing happened, it really doesn't mean that this investigation was even done by the FBI. You'll note that James Comey wanted the DOJ to publicly deny that the Trump Tower was wiretapped, and they have NOT done that, or even commented on it.
Comey asks Justice Department to deny Trump's wiretapping accusations - Breitbart
Well all of the leaks are going to be investigated and people will be wearing orange.
Leaks SHOULD be investigated. In FACT - that was also what the Obama administration was doing as well when they had problems with leaks, wasn't it?
What Obama has ordered is illegal.
What did he actually order and what proof do you have to support the claim?
Grassley is going to be investigating potential collusion between the FBI and the Clinton team and abuse of agencies by Obama.
And...?
They're also investigating Trump and the Trump team for potential collusion with Russia and the Russian hacks.
It's their job to investigate, and then move on if there is no evidence.
Oh happy day. You see when Senator Grassley and others found out the FBI actually considered buying the fake dossier they got royally pissed off and have given Comey two weeks to come up with answers.
I'm trying to figure out what is WRONG with that since it might be pertinant to their investigations on Russian activities and the Trump campaign. Can you explain what is illegal here? Add to that - has anyone confirmed it's "fake"?
BTW watch what happens over the next few days. Podesta and his brother.
Tony works for the largest Russian bank as a lobbyist. He made over $170,000 from Russia last year.
Sberbank's major shareholder is the Russian government. It's nickname is the KGB bank.
Essentially Tony Podesta has been working for the Russian government.
This isn't about Podesta.
The FBI should not had been investigating anyone since a crime was never committed. You can't just order the FBI to wiretap someone because you think they are up to something. Obama abused his power, he and his cronies at the FBI should had never been investigating Trump or his staff. Any such "investigation" would had been purely political, as the illegal leaks prove it was.
Has any evidence of wrongdoing by a Trump staff been found? Nope.
