The South Carolina incident & enabling

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Absolutely. I agree. It would also give this girl the proper publicity she deserves. Make her behavior the reason that the schools are now opting to remove all cell phones, ipods, and electronic devices from school property. Once you are on school property? It is a cell phone free zone. Anyone found with a cell phone? Will be sent home with a one day suspension and they can increase it from there. Good idea, Anathema!

During boot camp if one soldier disobeys orders the entire group being trained with him suffer.

The problem with this is that the other kids are kids, not soldiers in boot camp. Teachers and schools do not have the right, and shouldn't have, to punish one kid for another kid's behavior. What is acceptable in boot camp is not acceptable in schools.
The class should have moved to the library to finish their lesson, leaving the girl alone in the classroom without an audience. Parents should have been called and told to pick her up immediately. She should have been expelled for her belligerent behavior and not allowed to have a cell phone in school for the rest of the year. Kids can have cell phones in school as long as they are turned off during school hours. Many of them need them in order to call parents to pick them up after school. Teachers have the right to take away a cell phone that goes off during a lesson or that the kid is using the the all between class.

The less publicity the misbehaving student gets, the less attention she gets, the better. The security person should not have gotten angry or aggressive with her. He should have cleared the classroom, except for her, sent the class and teacher to the library, and stayed with the misbehaving child in the classroom until parents arrived and took her home. She should then be expelled.

You have a very expanded view of what "rights" kids have. They don't have a right to a cell phone.

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country and the world allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

So "lots of schools allow cell phones" is your argument that it's a right? Entirely untrue. I'm 40 years old, I went to school in the 1980's. Do you know what I did if I needed to contact my mother? I went to the principal's office and had them place a call.

You are a true Leftist, thinking "rights" can be drawn out of thin air. Hilarious!

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Spinning, deflecting and poor behavior has been around since humans rose out of the primordial soup. What is new are cell phones so deflecting and spinning isn't as effective as it used to be.

Another reason why no kid needs a cell phone, iPod, or any ither electronic device in a classroom.

Absolutely. I agree. It would also give this girl the proper publicity she deserves. Make her behavior the reason that the schools are now opting to remove all cell phones, ipods, and electronic devices from school property. Once you are on school property? It is a cell phone free zone. Anyone found with a cell phone? Will be sent home with a one day suspension and they can increase it from there. Good idea, Anathema!

During boot camp if one soldier disobeys orders the entire group being trained with him suffer. It is known to work very well because the disobedient soldier is shunned by his own peers. If it works for the military it should certainly work for the school system. It could be that the school authorities wanted to allow this situation to escalate because they want cellphones removed due to teachers who have been exposed for wrong doing in the classroom. Still, the presence of eyewitnesses and their testimonies should be enough (in such cases) and removing the phones is a good idea.

Um, I believe denying someone something like a cell phone on their person and body-checking for them would be a very basic violation of their federal and state civil rights.

"During boot camp...." THIS ISN'T THE MILITARY. It's a freaking high school.

I betting the feral negro bitch would have benefited from not having her cell phone in the class room.
Mobile Phone Bans Lead to Rise in Student Test Scores

I do not believe that calling the girl names is giving you the credibility you may desire in this discussion. There is no excuse for calling her such names. What she needs is discipline. It is quite obvious she didn't receive it growing up and this is the result. It's sad.

 

[Esmeralda]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

You have a very expanded view of what "rights" kids have. They don't have a right to a cell phone.

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

Perhaps that is up for change now. Let us hope so. They can name the cell phone ban rule after this girl. She wanted notoriety so they should give it to her.

They won't do it. They are not going to punish every student in the school because of this one girl and her behavior. There are many, many kids who challenge teachers and the rules every day. We don't deal with that behavior by taking away privileges from all students.

You do not know what they will do because you are not the one making the decisions, Esmeralda. You have an opinion. Like the rest of us. ....and that is all that you have.

 

[Esmeralda]

The problem with this is that the other kids are kids, not soldiers in boot camp. Teachers and schools do not have the right, and shouldn't have, to punish one kid for another kid's behavior. What is acceptable in boot camp is not acceptable in schools.
The class should have moved to the library to finish their lesson, leaving the girl alone in the classroom without an audience. Parents should have been called and told to pick her up immediately. She should have been expelled for her belligerent behavior and not allowed to have a cell phone in school for the rest of the year. Kids can have cell phones in school as long as they are turned off during school hours. Many of them need them in order to call parents to pick them up after school. Teachers have the right to take away a cell phone that goes off during a lesson or that the kid is using the the all between class.

The less publicity the misbehaving student gets, the less attention she gets, the better. The security person should not have gotten angry or aggressive with her. He should have cleared the classroom, except for her, sent the class and teacher to the library, and stayed with the misbehaving child in the classroom until parents arrived and took her home. She should then be expelled.

You have a very expanded view of what "rights" kids have. They don't have a right to a cell phone.

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country and the world allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

So "lots of schools allow cell phones" is your argument that it's a right? Entirely untrue. I'm 40 years old, I went to school in the 1980's. Do you know what I did if I needed to contact my mother? I went to the principal's office and had them place a call.

You are a true Leftist, thinking "rights" can be drawn out of thin air. Hilarious!

No,this has nothing to do with politics. What I'm thinking is based on what I have seen, all over the world. Children from grade school though high school having cell phones; their parents want them to have them so they can be contacted. It works fine except for the few who break the rules and don't turn t hem off. You don't punish the entire student body for the behavior of a few students.

 

[initforme]

I hope that teacher is making $100,000 per year to put up with students who willingly disrupt classes and cause nothing but unhealthy stress for someone trying to simply teach a class. Oooops, this is an anti teacher website.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

Perhaps that is up for change now. Let us hope so. They can name the cell phone ban rule after this girl. She wanted notoriety so they should give it to her.

They won't do it. They are not going to punish every student in the school because of this one girl and her behavior. There are many, many kids who challenge teachers and the rules every day. We don't deal with that behavior by taking away privileges from all students.

You do not know what they will do because you are not the one making the decisions, Esmeralda. You have an opinion. Like the rest of us. ....and that is all that you have.

I know that from 30 years of contact with schools in the US and internationally, they are not going to punish the entire school for the behavior student. They may take away her privilege to have a phone on campus, but not everyone's.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You have a very expanded view of what "rights" kids have. They don't have a right to a cell phone.

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country and the world allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

So "lots of schools allow cell phones" is your argument that it's a right? Entirely untrue. I'm 40 years old, I went to school in the 1980's. Do you know what I did if I needed to contact my mother? I went to the principal's office and had them place a call.

You are a true Leftist, thinking "rights" can be drawn out of thin air. Hilarious!

No,this has nothing to do with politics. What I'm thinking is based on what I have seen, all over the world. Children from grade school though high school having cell phones; their parents want them to have them so they can be contacted. It works fine except for the few who break the rules and don't turn t hem off. You don't punish the entire student body for the behavior of a few students.

So they don't have a right to a cell phone is what you're saying....they just SHOULD have one?

Somehow my generation survived without cell phones. We also had NO problem getting in contact with parents when necessary. Your argument fails on every level.

 

[Esmeralda]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I hope that teacher is making $100,000 per year to put up with students who willingly disrupt classes and cause nothing but unhealthy stress for someone trying to simply teach a class. Oooops, this is an anti teacher website.

No it isn't.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yes they do.

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country and the world allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

So "lots of schools allow cell phones" is your argument that it's a right? Entirely untrue. I'm 40 years old, I went to school in the 1980's. Do you know what I did if I needed to contact my mother? I went to the principal's office and had them place a call.

You are a true Leftist, thinking "rights" can be drawn out of thin air. Hilarious!

No,this has nothing to do with politics. What I'm thinking is based on what I have seen, all over the world. Children from grade school though high school having cell phones; their parents want them to have them so they can be contacted. It works fine except for the few who break the rules and don't turn t hem off. You don't punish the entire student body for the behavior of a few students.

So they don't have a right to a cell phone is what you're saying....they just SHOULD have one?

Somehow my generation survived without cell phones. We also had NO problem getting in contact with parents when necessary. Your argument fails on every level.

Your generation survived without a lot of the things kids have in school today. Would you also deny them the right to bring their laptops to school because you didn't have one when you were in school.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

Wrong. Cell phones can be used as a detonator for bombs. They should not be permitted in a classroom or on school campus.

Cellphones used to trigger bombs | Mobile | Geek.com
The FBI has warned law enforcement agencies of the potential use of cellphones to detonate bombs remotely. Modified cellphones have been found in Saudi Arabia during investigations into the recent bombings. In the FBI's bulletin, officers are warned about using “radios, cellular phones, and pagers within 50 feet” of any suspected bomb.

A cellphone was used during the bombing of Hebrew University in July 2002. The device was detonated when a modified cellphone received a phone call from another cellphone. Modified cellphones used to detonate explosions have also turned up in other places, including Paris, France.

 

[Esmeralda]

I hope that teacher is making $100,000 per year to put up with students who willingly disrupt classes and cause nothing but unhealthy stress for someone trying to simply teach a class. Oooops, this is an anti teacher website.

No it isn't.

Yeah. Pretty much it is.

 

[Anathema]

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

As the son of two school teachers and someone who graduated from a public school dystem in 1992, I no longer have the Student Manuals from those days but we were restricted from bringing many items to school or wear certain styles of clothing.

 

[Esmeralda]

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

Wrong. Cell phones can be used as a detonator for bombs. They should not be permitted in a classroom or on school campus.

OMG You are nuts.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

A RIGHT to a phone? In a school? What document do you know of which gives MINORS a RIGHT to have a cell phone in a school. In the UNITED STATES.

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

Now THAT'S a stupid argument. My 12 year old has about 6 knives and a .22 rifle as "personal property". So tell us some more about how schools cannot determine which personal property can be brought to school and which cannot.

Those are dangerous items. I explained earlier that is why those items are not allow. Phones are not dangerous items.

Wrong. Cell phones can be used as a detonator for bombs. They should not be permitted in a classroom or on school campus.

OMG You are nuts.

True, but that doesn't make her wrong.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country and the world allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

So "lots of schools allow cell phones" is your argument that it's a right? Entirely untrue. I'm 40 years old, I went to school in the 1980's. Do you know what I did if I needed to contact my mother? I went to the principal's office and had them place a call.

You are a true Leftist, thinking "rights" can be drawn out of thin air. Hilarious!

No,this has nothing to do with politics. What I'm thinking is based on what I have seen, all over the world. Children from grade school though high school having cell phones; their parents want them to have them so they can be contacted. It works fine except for the few who break the rules and don't turn t hem off. You don't punish the entire student body for the behavior of a few students.

So they don't have a right to a cell phone is what you're saying....they just SHOULD have one?

Somehow my generation survived without cell phones. We also had NO problem getting in contact with parents when necessary. Your argument fails on every level.

Your generation survived without a lot of the things kids have in school today. Would you also deny them the right to bring their laptops to school because you didn't have one when you were in school.

Yes, I think laptops bring trouble. My kids go to school where there is good old fashioned textbooks, paper, and pencils. There's also a computer lab for their use. Oh, and kids also don't need iPads in case you were about to ask. How the hell did my generation survive without these things?

 

[Esmeralda]

Really? What law or Constitutional concept gives them the right to a cell phone?

This should be good!

Schools all over the country allow students to have cell/mobile phones with them, just turned off and not used during school hours. I know this because I have 30 years of experience with education in the US and internationally. They have a right to have a cell phone in their backpack, on their person, or in their locker;they just can't use it in school. If you tell them no cell phones, you can tell them no this or that or any other private property. It is not a physically harmful item, like a knife or gun or drug. They have a right to have it with them.

Perhaps that is up for change now. Let us hope so. They can name the cell phone ban rule after this girl. She wanted notoriety so they should give it to her.

They won't do it. They are not going to punish every student in the school because of this one girl and her behavior. There are many, many kids who challenge teachers and the rules every day. We don't deal with that behavior by taking away privileges from all students.

You do not know what they will do because you are not the one making the decisions, Esmeralda. You have an opinion. Like the rest of us. ....and that is all that you have.

It isn't 'just an opinion like the rest of us.' My observations are based on 30 years of contact with schools in the US and internationally: they are not going to punish the entire school for the behavior of one student. They may take away her privilege to have a phone on campus, but not everyone's.

 

[Esmeralda]

How about you show me a document that says students are not allowed to have personal property in school.

As the son of two school teachers and someone who graduated from a public school dystem in 1992, I no longer have the Student Manuals from those days but we were restricted from bringing many items to school or wear certain styles of clothing.

Schools won't restrict students from having cell phones with them unless there is a big problem with it. There is not a widespread problem, and you don't make rules based on the bad behavior of a few. What were you restricted from bringing to school that you wanted to have in school? Individual schools have individual dress codes. I doubt there are any school that allow weapons, drugs, or alcohol. What were you denied?