progressive hunter
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does what?? what was he talking about??
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The Tax Case Against Donald Trump
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Turtlesoup
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Indeependent
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Pay site.The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.www.vanityfair.com
progressive hunter
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the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.www.forbes.com
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.www.propublica.org
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
Indeependent
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EBT Cards.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
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- #206
The minimum taxable individual income is 12,400...that is really low. Poverty level for a single person is 12,760. For a family, it is higher. That means there are a lot of low workers trying to support a family on very little and paying income tax.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
How about all those rich people paying nothing?
progressive hunter
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youre leaving out the tax credits they get,,The minimum taxable individual income is 12,400...that is really low. Poverty level for a single person is 12,760. For a family, it is higher. That means there are a lot of low workers trying to support a family on very little and paying income tax.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
How about all those rich people paying nothing?
so they are just not paying their fair share,, they arent paying anything and get back extra,,
Indeependent
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How about all those trespassers getting the jobs and sending every spare penny back home?The minimum taxable individual income is 12,400...that is really low. Poverty level for a single person is 12,760. For a family, it is higher. That means there are a lot of low workers trying to support a family on very little and paying income tax.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
How about all those rich people paying nothing?
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- #209
If they earn it, and pay taxes, who cares what they do with their money. No one’s business.How about all those trespassers getting the jobs and sending every spare penny back home?The minimum taxable individual income is 12,400...that is really low. Poverty level for a single person is 12,760. For a family, it is higher. That means there are a lot of low workers trying to support a family on very little and paying income tax.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
How about all those rich people paying nothing?
Indeependent
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Then don't complain about suppressed wages.If they earn it, and pay taxes, who cares what they do with their money. No one’s business.How about all those trespassers getting the jobs and sending every spare penny back home?The minimum taxable individual income is 12,400...that is really low. Poverty level for a single person is 12,760. For a family, it is higher. That means there are a lot of low workers trying to support a family on very little and paying income tax.the low wage worker doesnt pay anything, so how does it effect him???Either way would disproportionately affect the low wage worker. The amount for a wealthy person, would come out of discretionary spending. The same amount for a poor person, would come out of necessities: food, utilities, housing.choose one, both are off balance and not fair,,,The same amount or the same proportion?a fair share is when everyone pays the same,,,Unfortunately, it looks like even ”stupid questions” stump you.most of them,, more so sense half the population pay nothing in income tax and a portion of them get more than they paid in,,Which rich pay more than their fair share?maybe if there werent so many people not paying any taxs, the rich that pay more than their fair share wouldnt try avoiding them when they can,,The two oldest trump boys admitted guilt when they made the statement everyone dodges taxes and it's not a big deal.
It is a big deal. Especially to the amount they didn't pay.
It's disgusting to see people who have the money to pay taxes but go out of their way and commit crimes to not pay their share in taxes.
I hope all those involved are hit with HUGE fines and put in prison.
Don Jr. and Eric Trump: People Dodge Taxes All the Time, It’s Not a Big Deal
The Trump boys think the amount of money Allen Weisselberg allegedly hid from the IRS is chump change no one should care about.
its every americans responsibility to pay as little as possible,,, starve the beast and let it die,,
anymore stupid questions you would like to ask me??
Either that or you a liar.
Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.
A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.
meanwhile
The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax
ProPublica has obtained a vast cache of IRS information showing how billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett pay little in income tax compared to their massive wealth — sometimes, even nothing.
So what is a fair share?
right not the minority pay the majority of taxs,,
How is “fair” when the impact is much harsher on the low wage worker than the wealthy?
you mean the low wage worker that pays nothing in income taxs???
I assume we are arguing a progressive tax rate vs a flat tax rate?
How about all those rich people paying nothing?
Viktor
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Companies pay for the education of their employees all the time. If it's a non employee, they can write it off as charity.Clown, The Trump Organization paid the tuition of Weaselburg's grandchildren. Explain how that is a legitimate business expense.Horseshit.Tax evasion is when you knowingly engage in fraudulent activities in order to avoid taxes. Making a mistake is a common occurrence but the things the Trump organization did cannot be portrayed as anything other than willful, knowing tax fraud.I underpaid my income taxes one year by mistake. The IRS sent me a letter. The DA did not arrest me. There is all the proof you need. Why did they wait 15 years to notify Trump???? The whole thing smells.Nothingburger is a gross understatement.You want proof the NY tax case against Trump is political? It's run by the New York politicians, not the state tax agency.
Should be summarily tossed the minute it comes before a judge.
Go ahead. Let's have it.
Tommy Tainant
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He has already held his hands up to this. Ignorance is no defence though. From my limited experience with the law, I suspect that his lawyers will be telling him to stfu because the DA will be writing all this shit down to use against him.I think we are just starting to catch a glimpse at how a company with so many assets can bankrupt casinos, be blacklisted by Wall Street because of defaults, and have to go borrow money from a foreign institution that launders criminal russian money on the regular.
They are all dirtbag criminals with the business sense of a steaming turd.
In a similar vein I would be advising his lawyers to get some payment up front.
Has there ever been a grubbier ex Pres ?
Trump partially confessed to his company's alleged crimes at a Florida rally. Here's why.
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This very small Organization is just that.
Family owned and operated.
These clowns thought they were above the law.
Agree.......if Weiselberg decides to serve the REST of HIS LIFE in prison, then that is still an indictment on the Crime Family known as trump. Even if trump never goes down.
Patience, this takes time for people to weigh their consequences.
marvin martian
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This very small Organization is just that.
Family owned and operated.
These clowns thought they were above the law.
Agree.......if Weiselberg decides to serve the REST of HIS LIFE in prison, then that is still an indictment on the Crime Family known as trump. Even if trump never goes down.
Patience, this takes time for people to weigh their consequences.
George Conway on CNN. LOL! Tell us about the Russians under your bed!
excalibur
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George Conway on CNN. LOL! Tell us about the Russians under your bed!
Turns out is Biden in bed with the Russians.
playtime
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It doesn't make sense. Trump was so wealthy he didn't even take a salary as president. Why would he need to pay his daughter off the books?
^^^ THAT ^^^
playtime
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I think we are just starting to catch a glimpse at how a company with so many assets can bankrupt casinos, be blacklisted by Wall Street because of defaults, and have to go borrow money from a foreign institution that launders criminal russian money on the regular.
They are all dirtbag criminals with the business sense of a steaming turd.
Quick: Who'd Have Trouble Living on $450,000 a Month?
By Kurt Eichenwald
- June 26, 1990
Donald J. Trump, who has lectured America about architecture, foreign policy and, most of all, how to do deals, may be about to learn a lesson of his own: how to live in Manhattan on $450,000 a month.
That scarcely onerous restriction is being imposed by Mr. Trump's bankers, who have insisted that the man who has made conspicuous consumption a personal trademark must curb his spending a bit.
Moreover, the $450,000-a-month allowance excludes some of the largest of Mr. Trump's daunting expenses, the bankers say. These extras, based on Mr. Trump's spending in May, include the costs of maintaining his personal 727 jetliner ($246,000) and his 282-foot yacht ($841,000). The yacht and the personal jet, to be sure, may be sold to trim the real estate developer's mountainous debts.
In May, Mr. Trump also paid interest of $2.1 million on his personal debt, while his legal, charitable and business expenses totaled $382,000. His interest payments and various expenses do not count as personal spending, either.
Still, the $450,000-a-month limit will require some belt-tightening on Mr. Trump's part. In May, his bankers report, Mr. Trump's personal spending amounted to $583,000 for day-to-day necessities of the ultrarich life style, which range from his $2,000 suits to the costs of maids, gardeners and chefs at his three homes.
So to meet the bankers' target, Mr. Trump must trim his personal expenses by more than $100,000 from the May level. If he can do that, the banks will agree to lend Mr. Trump even more money.
The terms are being required by the banks, which are attempting to structure a loan to Mr. Trump to keep his faltering empire out of bankruptcy court.
The personal spending limits agreed to by the banks, though a cutback for Mr. Trump, still come to $5.4 million a year. If the banks agree to the terms of the new loan, in the month of July, for example, Mr. Trump would have to hold his expenses to just $14,516.13 a day, or $10.08 every minute of the day and night.
'It's Just Phenomenal'
Even the truly wealthy found Mr. Trump's manner of spending, reduced circumstances or not, to be remarkable.
''I would have no idea how to spend $450,000 a month,'' said one billionaire, who asked not to be identified. ''It's just phenomenal.''
Financial planners for the well heeled agreed.
''We have handled a lot of entertainers, some of whom lived very extravagantly, but I have never come across anybody who spent that way,'' said Lawrence B. Eichler, president of Sentinel Asset Management. ''Donald Trump lives in strata few of us approach, or even want to approach.''
Even Mr. Trump, who declined to comment, once said: ''A little more moderation would be good.'' But he was quick to add, ''Of course, my life hasn't exactly been one of moderation.''
Deadline on a Payment
Mr. Trump's unfolding financial drama may reach a climax tonight as the developer faces a deadline to make a payment on a high-yield ''junk bond'' issue. No matter what the outcome, the glimpse of Mr. Trump's spending habits is certain to add another layer to the high-spending lore to the 1980's.
Mr. Trump's new allowance may be absorbed easily, given the style of living to which he has become accustomed. The developer owns three homes, including Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Fla. That home, which was willed to the State of Florida by Marjorie Merriweather Post, was sold to Mr. Trump because the state could not afford to pay for its upkeep. Scores of household staff members are paid to help keep up the 118-room residence.
Mr. Trump will also have to continue to maintain his 50-room penthouse triplex in Manhattan's Trump Tower, which comes complete with an 80-foot living room, bronze-edged floor-to-ceiling windows overlooking Central Park, and a 12-foot waterfall.
[...]
Quick: Who'd Have Trouble Living on $450,000 a Month?
toobfreak
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What's crooked about a gift? A gift whose taxes were already paid when the original buyer bought them?Looks like the Daughter business has consequences. Who would have the authority in that organisation to sanction these crooked payments?
She will never get "in." Another FAIL for Tommy the Aintant.When she gets out she can relaunch herself as a prison reformer.
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