The Temple Mount Myth Revealed

[Shusha]

There is no scientific evidence about the place of the Temple Mount.

This is simply incorrect. There is evidence for the Temples. (Some of it found since 1962).

But again, I ask you -- what is your point? So what?

 

[Shusha]

But none of that is even worth discussing because it makes no difference.

It only makes a difference because Team Palestine uses it to argue against Jewish rights to sovereignty over any of the land and to usurp Jewish holy places and Jewish history.

While, I might agree with you that it ultimately makes no difference in terms of who has actual control over territory and actual sovereignty there, still I will not stand by and permit Jewish history to be denied or erased. Its a matter of principle.

 

[theliq]

Of course it does Hoss,because the Jews insist that THIS IS THEIR LAND.....but as you and I know it is not,therein lies your and the Jews dilemma because it is a falsehood,Israel is a falsehood....steve

Heres the real truth, dingo breath.

Hoss don't be silly,you know I do not speak with forked tongue.....who are the Jews and where are they from..steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

THELIQ's REPLY TO HOSS>>>>>>>Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

 

[theliq]

Heres the real truth, dingo breath.

Hoss don't be silly,you know I do not speak with forked tongue.....who are the Jews and where are they from..steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

 

[theliq]

Hoss don't be silly,you know I do not speak with forked tongue.....who are the Jews and where are they from..steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

Hoss don't be silly,you know I do not speak with forked tongue.....who are the Jews and where are they from..steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

 

[theliq]

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

 

[Hossfly]

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

Why are you stuttering, Steve?

 

[Hossfly]

Heres the real truth, dingo breath.

Hoss don't be silly,you know I do not speak with forked tongue.....who are the Jews and where are they from..steve

The Jews are those people descended from the inhabitants of the holy land taken as slaves by the Romans, the people that were there before any arab muslim or roman catholic. They were dispersed around the roman empire but still kept their religion intact, and their genetics. They are originally from Judea and Samaria and that is where they are returning now it is under Jewish control.

Now who are the arab muslims caslling themselves palestinians and where are they from ?

No one cares, and the Israelites were most likely a sect of the Canaanites,

read and learn, why British allowed the Zionist to enter Palestine, and wanted them to invade Palestine:

Notwithstanding, if we look at the case for the establishment of Israel, it was predicated on religious and historical arguments. But both of those arguments don’t hold any water because Zionists Jews were more secular than religious, as such, and thousands of years old biblical history is more akin to fairy tales than proper history.

Here we must keep in mind the demographics of Palestine in the 1920s: there were approximately 50,000 Jews; 50,000 Christians; and more than 700,000 Arab Muslims in the areas comprising Israel and Palestine of today. Over the course of next few decades, however, the demographics were changed by shipping hundreds of thousands of East European Jews to Palestine.

Communist Revolution And The Creation Of Israel – OpEd

People from from almost any country on earth immigrating to another country will assimilate into that country's fabric within a couple of generations. The Jews are the exception. Jews around the world are the same as the ones who left Egypt. You're premises are 100% false, Agnes.[/QUO

THELIQ's REPLY TO HOSS>>>>>>>Rubbish Hoss,how can Jews of today be the same as the Israelites of Egypt,non were Zionists for a start.....the Jews after 1948 are completely different people to those of a bygone era and most are not even Jews in the original sense because they are merely CONVERTS TO JUDAISM and are Turkic,Tartar and other Central Asian.......You are talking to me here Hoss one of the most enlightened on here.......Your pro-Judaism is ill founded completely.

steve

Only in your own mixed-up mind are you enlightened. When you can show us that you are a world class geneticist, get back to us then.

 

[rylah]

But none of that is even worth discussing because it makes no difference.

It only makes a difference because Team Palestine uses it to argue against Jewish rights to sovereignty over any of the land and to usurp Jewish holy places and Jewish history.

While, I might agree with you that it ultimately makes no difference in terms of who has actual control over territory and actual sovereignty there, still I will not stand by and permit Jewish history to be denied or erased. Its a matter of principle.

Very well and the younger generation is following with the same intent and passion. However the Jewish way isn't to argue for survival with the enemy but to 'go in' and get a deeper sense of our heritage, multiply and fight when necessary.

And ironically all these people attacking our identity today only strengthen our motivation to keep drinking from the roots. Our collective identity transforms and gets stronger than that of the last 5 generations or so.

 

[Freeman]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

 

[rylah]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

do you have other people that were reminded everywhere that they were strangers, even when assimilated because of their Jewish blood and heritage?
After 2000 years of this, upon our arrival home ... frankly who cares what you think anymore,look at the mess in you garden and try to keep up WITH us as many muslim countries begin to do.

 

[Freeman]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

do you have other people that were reminded everywhere that they were strangers, even when assimilated because of their Jewish blood and heritage?
After 2000 years of this, upon our arrival home ... frankly who cares what you think anymore,look at the mess in you garden and try to keep up WITH us as many muslim countries begin to do.

Hebrews lived in Egypt more than in Jerusalem!

 

[Phoenall]

The very fact that one has to defend the idea of the Jewish people is discrimination. Does anyone ask what we mean when we say "Irish"? Does anyone demand that the Irish defend what makes them Irish?

Once again, jew is not a race. Now an Irishman is someone who was born in Ireland, its his nationality. Jewish is not a nationality but use to be anyone who was from Judea, point is there is no Judea today, so once again , a jew is not a race or a nationality.

WRONG AGAIN as an Irishman is someone who is born of Irish parents, where they live is of no consequence to race. A persons nartionality does not always mean that is his race, as in most Americans are not racial Americans as they come from other parts of the world originally. The only true Americans are the first nations people , just as arab muslims are from arabia originally and so are not ethnic palestinians. The Jews were originally from palestine making them ethnic palestinians, and the DNA tests show this to be the case in 95% of the cases. Ther is no Yugoslavia either, but this does not mean the Slavs ceased to exist as a race. And you yourself have used the racial aspects of certain Jews when you have attacked the Jews, and have admitted that it is because of their racial charagteristics that you did so.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

do you have other people that were reminded everywhere that they were strangers, even when assimilated because of their Jewish blood and heritage?
After 2000 years of this, upon our arrival home ... frankly who cares what you think anymore,look at the mess in you garden and try to keep up WITH us as many muslim countries begin to do.

Hebrews lived in Egypt more than in Jerusalem!

No. The Bible says the Hebrews lived in Egypt 400 years, but Jewish legend cuts that figure down to 210 years. The First Temple lasted for 410 years, and the Second for 420 years. That equals 830 years.

 

[Phoenall]

I agree, the bible is not historical, but that doesn't not stop them from creating history from the bible, which they are doing.

The "bible" is not historical. (From the Jewish faith perspective, the Tanakh is not intended to be historical.) That said, there is evidence that at least some of the characters, places and events are historically true and clearly connected to the Jewish people.

Trying to disconnect the Jewish people from that history is not sourced in objective "truths", but a subjective, biased, largely intentional discrimination against the Jewish people.

Pove it, any one it. When one talks about jewish, please let us know who your talking about.

Can you prove that the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians are actually ethnic palestinians and have roots to the land. The islamic buildings erected 50 years after mo,mads death when the muslims first entered Jerusalem do not prove they were ethnic palestinians , they prove they were invaders and colonisers.


Jewish people are those that lived in the area of palestine so named by the Romans who practised Judaism and worshipped a God call Yahweh. They were the people of Jesus Christ as proven by the Bible when it says that his mother and father had to travel to their birthplace to register in the Roman census of the Jewish people. The Catholics and muslims tried to steal the identity from the Jews and failed because they were spread all around the known world by this time and they were starting to become the best of the best in their chosen proffesions.

 

[Phoenall]

"Now, 50 years after Kenyon's discovery, scholars like Leen Ritmeyer, Eilat Mazar and Hershel Shanks have recently written books as if no one knew that the Haram was the Roman Fortress and that Solomon's, Zechariah's and Herod's temples all were located near the Spring of Siloam. Tourists are still mistakenly told that the Haram is the Temple Mount, that David's citadel is near the Jaffa Gate, and that Mount Zion and the place where the Last Supper was held are all in the Upper City."

Citadel Of David built by Mamlouki then Othomans.

And this by Ritmeyer debunks your post as it states that the Temple could have been in 3 positions on the Mount

The Temple Mount in Jerusalem



The other people's later works do the same thing as you use their hypososis as being the reality

 

[Phoenall]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

do you have other people that were reminded everywhere that they were strangers, even when assimilated because of their Jewish blood and heritage?
After 2000 years of this, upon our arrival home ... frankly who cares what you think anymore,look at the mess in you garden and try to keep up WITH us as many muslim countries begin to do.

Hebrews lived in Egypt more than in Jerusalem!

Link from an unbiased source as your usual ones are just a pack of lies

 

[Penelope]

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.

There is no invasion, those people mostly converted to islam.

The argument that Hebrews lived some 4000 years ago in the region so they have the right to invade the cities 4000 years after is more than stupid!

do you have other people that were reminded everywhere that they were strangers, even when assimilated because of their Jewish blood and heritage?
After 2000 years of this, upon our arrival home ... frankly who cares what you think anymore,look at the mess in you garden and try to keep up WITH us as many muslim countries begin to do.

Hebrews lived in Egypt more than in Jerusalem!

No. The Bible says the Hebrews lived in Egypt 400 years, but Jewish legend cuts that figure down to 210 years. The First Temple lasted for 410 years, and the Second for 420 years. That equals 830 years.

The bible says a lot of untruths.

 

[Penelope]

I agree, the bible is not historical, but that doesn't not stop them from creating history from the bible, which they are doing.

The "bible" is not historical. (From the Jewish faith perspective, the Tanakh is not intended to be historical.) That said, there is evidence that at least some of the characters, places and events are historically true and clearly connected to the Jewish people.

Trying to disconnect the Jewish people from that history is not sourced in objective "truths", but a subjective, biased, largely intentional discrimination against the Jewish people.

Pove it, any one it. When one talks about jewish, please let us know who your talking about.

Can you prove that the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians are actually ethnic palestinians and have roots to the land. The islamic buildings erected 50 years after mo,mads death when the muslims first entered Jerusalem do not prove they were ethnic palestinians , they prove they were invaders and colonisers.


Jewish people are those that lived in the area of palestine so named by the Romans who practised Judaism and worshipped a God call Yahweh. They were the people of Jesus Christ as proven by the Bible when it says that his mother and father had to travel to their birthplace to register in the Roman census of the Jewish people. The Catholics and muslims tried to steal the identity from the Jews and failed because they were spread all around the known world by this time and they were starting to become the best of the best in their chosen proffesions.

You don't know about the Maccabee forcing conversion then hey? How about so many sons of Jacobs marrying and having children with Canaanite women, REad Ezra again!!!

 

[Penelope]

But none of that is even worth discussing because it makes no difference.

It only makes a difference because Team Palestine uses it to argue against Jewish rights to sovereignty over any of the land and to usurp Jewish holy places and Jewish history.

While, I might agree with you that it ultimately makes no difference in terms of who has actual control over territory and actual sovereignty there, still I will not stand by and permit Jewish history to be denied or erased. Its a matter of principle.

Very well and the younger generation is following with the same intent and passion. However the Jewish way isn't to argue for survival with the enemy but to 'go in' and get a deeper sense of our heritage, multiply and fight when necessary.

And ironically all these people attacking our identity today only strengthen our motivation to keep drinking from the roots. Our collective identity transforms and gets stronger than that of the last 5 generations or so.

Yes which is why the holocaust story is still alive and strong, even thought most of it was greatly exaggerated.