The Texas lawsuit and the possible end of our republic.

[Hutch Starskey]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

Which states sent ballots to every voter without a request?

What makes mail in ballots untraceable?

NJ for one sent out plenty.

How about we match every ballot to every shipped envelope, and do check to see if those people actually mailed the ballots?

NJ for one sent out plenty.

How about we match every ballot to every shipped envelope, and do check to see if those people actually mailed the ballots?

Yes, one.
Not one in question or contested in any Trump lawsuits.

So what are you arguing then?

I am arguing that I don't trust the election results and want full investigations.

I am arguing that I don't trust the election results and want full investigations.

No. You made up assertions of widespread fraud that didn’t exist.

I am making accusations based on what I have seen.

I am making accusations based on what I have seen.

You saw the states in question mail unsolicited ballots to every registered voter?
You’d better get a signed affidavit to Rudy, ASAP!

 

[colfax_m]

Prove it, asshole.

I've given you the part of the constitution that proves it. I've given you the citation twice.

Why the hell would I give it to you a third time and expect any less ignorance from you?

 

[colfax_m]

What's unconstitutional about the SC moving the date because of wholesale election fraud?

The fact that the Constitution does not give them the authority to do that.

and the constitution does not give one man or one woman the authority to change election law.

Depends on what precisely you mean by change election law. Because sometimes the legislatures has given governors the authority to change laws in settings of emergencies and that's what a lot of governs did in some circumstances.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The United States has existed for 244 years. If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist. The US came to be as a result of a people wanting to be free of elite government power. The founders that created the United states realized that individual liberty was so important that a life-risking break with traditional aristocratic control was the only way to fashion a truly free society.

There is an evil in this world that will always be with us. Certain aspects of all societies will always rise to power and when that evil gets power it will never willingly relent to the will of the people because the people are regarded as inferior and unfit to choose their own destiny. When Benjamin Franklin was asked if we have a republic or a monarchy he is purported to have said: “A republic if we can keep it.” Whether he actually uttered those exact words is less important than their meaning.

Franklin knew full well that the minds and hearts of the people could be tricked and swindled by clever power merchants appealing to fear and personal greed. But he like the founders had faith that the people would recognize the power they held with their votes. Rank and file citizens have a collective common sense, and they cannot be fooled indefinitely. They can vote out the power if they choose. This is the golden difference the US possesses as opposed to the rest of the world.

This golden difference became manifest when Donald Trump gained access to the White House by virtue of the vote in the wake of an awakening that government was acting on its own behalf not in the best interest of the people. The people had been tricked and fooled once but not again.

The wickedness of the 2020 election became clear when the vote was tainted and manipulated with fraud. Joe Biden was “selected” with votes, not elected by voters. The hearts and minds of the people were supplanted with mountains of paper ballots rising out of last-minute unconstitutional changes by state actors skirting any actual legislative process. It was brazenly done in broad daylight; it was the raw power that Franklin warned about.

Seventeen states have joined Texas in this lawsuit to save our republic. Let us hope the Supreme Court comes to our rescue.

SCOTUS is going to rule against you because your Orange God and his sycophants are lying to you, and you are willingly believing them because cult.

....and then at 3AM Election Eve, the Vote Fairy came and dropped millions of Biden only votes into all of the key Swing States. That's how, with the help of Xi and the CCP, we finally ended the American Experiment

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

How does one pick up unused ballots?
Do you go door to door?

Why are there no reports of widespread soliciting of unused ballots?

You are just making shit up

Well lets investigate to find out. Start with back-checking samples of mailed ballot envelopes and ask the people if they did mail the ballots in or not.

Match exactly the envelope counts to the ballot counts. full review.

Well lets investigate to find out. Start with back-checking samples of mailed ballot envelopes and ask the people if they did mail the ballots in or not.

Match exactly the envelope counts to the ballot counts. full review.

Derp...
That is done as part of the counting process when envelopes are verified and opened. A ballot without a corresponding envelope would not be counted.
How else do you imagine they could ever certify their elections without these safeguards in place?
Your visions of poorly photocopied ballots with fake voters is impossible.

Since obervers were kept away, how would anyone know whether ballot without a corresponding envelope was counted?

Since obervers were kept away, how would anyone know whether ballot without a corresponding envelope was counted?

No one was kept away, dope. The system would know. In person ballots have a corresponding voter just as the mail in ballots do. No one has proven otherwise.

There are hundreds of affidavits saying otherwise, moron. We even have video of GA election officials sending all the observers home. You claim is irrelevant to the fact that no one observed the absentee ballots being opened.

There are hundreds of affidavits saying otherwise, moron. We even have video of GA election officials sending all the observers home. You claim is irrelevant to the fact that no one observed the absentee ballots being opened.

That was explained to you by the GA SOS.

He's a lying piece of shit. For one thing, he claims the obervers were not sent home. We can see on the video that they were. We can also see that they pulled boxes of ballots out from under a table where they were hidden.

Only a POS would dispute it.

Only a POS would dispute it.

Or the actual SOS for GA. Just sayin.

 

[bripat9643]

The United States has existed for 244 years. If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist. The US came to be as a result of a people wanting to be free of elite government power. The founders that created the United states realized that individual liberty was so important that a life-risking break with traditional aristocratic control was the only way to fashion a truly free society.

There is an evil in this world that will always be with us. Certain aspects of all societies will always rise to power and when that evil gets power it will never willingly relent to the will of the people because the people are regarded as inferior and unfit to choose their own destiny. When Benjamin Franklin was asked if we have a republic or a monarchy he is purported to have said: “A republic if we can keep it.” Whether he actually uttered those exact words is less important than their meaning.

Franklin knew full well that the minds and hearts of the people could be tricked and swindled by clever power merchants appealing to fear and personal greed. But he like the founders had faith that the people would recognize the power they held with their votes. Rank and file citizens have a collective common sense, and they cannot be fooled indefinitely. They can vote out the power if they choose. This is the golden difference the US possesses as opposed to the rest of the world.

This golden difference became manifest when Donald Trump gained access to the White House by virtue of the vote in the wake of an awakening that government was acting on its own behalf not in the best interest of the people. The people had been tricked and fooled once but not again.

The wickedness of the 2020 election became clear when the vote was tainted and manipulated with fraud. Joe Biden was “selected” with votes, not elected by voters. The hearts and minds of the people were supplanted with mountains of paper ballots rising out of last-minute unconstitutional changes by state actors skirting any actual legislative process. It was brazenly done in broad daylight; it was the raw power that Franklin warned about.

Seventeen states have joined Texas in this lawsuit to save our republic. Let us hope the Supreme Court comes to our rescue.

have you noticed that no one gives a shit bout deplorables delusions?


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I notice all the Dim assholes in here blubbering about it.

 

[ReinyDays]

The point is having honest elections. Of course, that is exactly what Dim scum have been undermining for the last 20 years.

This started under FDR ... just saying ...

 

[bripat9643]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

How does one pick up unused ballots?
Do you go door to door?

Why are there no reports of widespread soliciting of unused ballots?

You are just making shit up

Well lets investigate to find out. Start with back-checking samples of mailed ballot envelopes and ask the people if they did mail the ballots in or not.

Match exactly the envelope counts to the ballot counts. full review.

Well lets investigate to find out. Start with back-checking samples of mailed ballot envelopes and ask the people if they did mail the ballots in or not.

Match exactly the envelope counts to the ballot counts. full review.

Derp...
That is done as part of the counting process when envelopes are verified and opened. A ballot without a corresponding envelope would not be counted.
How else do you imagine they could ever certify their elections without these safeguards in place?
Your visions of poorly photocopied ballots with fake voters is impossible.

Since obervers were kept away, how would anyone know whether ballot without a corresponding envelope was counted?

Since obervers were kept away, how would anyone know whether ballot without a corresponding envelope was counted?

No one was kept away, dope. The system would know. In person ballots have a corresponding voter just as the mail in ballots do. No one has proven otherwise.

There are hundreds of affidavits saying otherwise, moron. We even have video of GA election officials sending all the observers home. You claim is irrelevant to the fact that no one observed the absentee ballots being opened.

There are hundreds of affidavits saying otherwise, moron. We even have video of GA election officials sending all the observers home. You claim is irrelevant to the fact that no one observed the absentee ballots being opened.

That was explained to you by the GA SOS.

He's a lying piece of shit. For one thing, he claims the obervers were not sent home. We can see on the video that they were. We can also see that they pulled boxes of ballots out from under a table where they were hidden.

Only a POS would dispute it.

Only a POS would dispute it.

Or the actual SOS for GA. Just sayin.

The actual SOS is a lying POS

 

[Billiejeens]

I must have hit a nerve. All the usual suspects came stampeding out of the barn like it was on fire.

Yeah, you’ll forgive us if after these allegations have been slapped down in literally dozens of lawsuits that we are getting a little sick of this shit.

What the Texas lawsuit states happened
Did happen, that is not in dispute
Will the court, follow the law.

Never know with courts and juries.

They state a lot of things “might” have happened and that “might” somehow is sufficient reason to rewrite election law or trash the constitutional rights of people who voted in our Republic.

Nope

You should have read the lawsuit. Don't blame me for your ignorance.

My guess is you didnt.
I know exactly what the suit is about.
Do you?
18 States feel their citizens votes were offset by the votes of 4 states where the legislative body of those states did not change the law. Instead the governors and the courts of that state allowed for the change of the law.
That is unconstitutional and truth is, will set a really bad precedent for our future.
A governor is responsible to enforce state law. A court is responsible to ensure the law is constitutional. Neither body has the right to change the law. Only lawmakers have that right.

Curious....there is a 6-3 right leaning SCOTUS.....more likely 5-4 seeing as Roberts is more in the middle leaning left.

Would you be OK with that court changing laws?

I wouldn't be...even though I am a conservative.

Honestly, the suit is about a great many things. Paxton didn't really engage in any editing, preferring instead to throw the spaghetti at the wall.

In a lot of instances of this supposed unconstitutional change, they're flatly wrong. In a lot of instances, the law was silent about certain procedures or policies and that therefore goes to the state's executive to implement laws with their discretion in such ambiguity. In other instances, the state's laws were determined to be unconstitutional and the courts ruled that the election law had to be changed as a result. In other instances, the governor used delegated authorities by emergency powers to alter state regulations in the setting of a pandemic.

Other states did this too, such as Texas, however they're not asking to have the courts take away their electoral votes because they voted for Trump. No, only four states who voted for Biden are being targeted.

This isn't about constitutionality and principle, it's about virtue signaling to Trump supporters. If it were about principle, there would be a lot more states named in the lawsuit.

If you are against the court's changing laws, then you should know that this VERY lawsuit is asking the SCOTUS to change the laws. So much for consistency.

well said, but I believe you may be wrong. It seems to me that this suit is not asking SCOTUS to change laws. It is asking them to interpret law. One can apply an executive order. But not if it is in direct conflict of written law. Does it apply here? I dont know. Neither do you. Based on your post, you are obviously intelligent. I believe I am as well...(although my wife calls me a dumbass but I regress).. But do either of us know constitutional law as the justices do? I doubt it. Let them decide. It may not be a valid suit. I really dont know. But with my limited knowledge of constitutional law, I believe it is worthy of consideration. My biggest concern is what kind of precedent will be set if the SCOTUS allows governors to "change" law. That can be very scary for all of us.

If you read the lawsuit, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that the lawsuit is asking SCOTUS to delay the meeting of the electors which is currently set for Monday and which was determined by Congress as stipulated in the Constitution.

There's a process for challenging executive orders, and in some cases, that process occurred. Waiting until after the votes have cast to cry foul is not okay with me.

I understand. I don't disagree with you. Timing is everything and on Monday morning crying about a change in the game rules on Sunday is not the best action to take. I get it. Truth is, Biden will take the WH. I am OK with that. However, I am more wrapped up in precedent being set for future elections. We need to nip this in the bud now before it becomes the norm.

Just an FYI.....I am 62 years old. I have 30 years left if I am lucky and If lay off the alcohol a bit. My life will not be affected by Biden, Harris, Trump, or AOC in the WH. By the time it all gels, I will be gelling in the ground. I just love to debate.

We do need to be careful about what precedents we are setting and in my mind these lawsuits by Trump allies would set FAR worse precedents should they succeed.

Yes, rules for the election changed. They changed BEFORE the election. The idea that Texas can sue to change the rules BACK in Pennsylvania is ultimately an incredibly destructive way to go forward because then any state can sue any other state after the election because they don't like how that election was handled.

That's no way to run a country. It would result in complete chaos.

You leave about half of the story out- of course.

 

[martybegan]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

That is not true at least in MI and PA. The outer envelope has the voter’s name and signature the ballot does not but both share the same number. The ballot is anonymous as it has no name on it for any counter to see. Different people verify and open the envelopes than those counting the ballots.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

Uff...
That’s what they do when processing the ballots.
Why do you imagine some ad hoc, haphazard process to count millions of ballots? Each step is verified and recorded, sorted and stored in order. How else could they possibly recount? It would be impossible for anyone to insert any large numbers of fraudulent ballots without the system recognizing the anomalies.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Certainly not in the ways or at the scale you describe. There are simply too many safeguards to allow such a thing to happen across so many states simultaneously.
I suspect you know this at some level.

Yes, because systems never fail, and criminal enterprises never succeed because of the implements in their path.

 

[bripat9643]

I must have hit a nerve. All the usual suspects came stampeding out of the barn like it was on fire.

Yeah, you’ll forgive us if after these allegations have been slapped down in literally dozens of lawsuits that we are getting a little sick of this shit.

What the Texas lawsuit states happened
Did happen, that is not in dispute
Will the court, follow the law.

Never know with courts and juries.

They state a lot of things “might” have happened and that “might” somehow is sufficient reason to rewrite election law or trash the constitutional rights of people who voted in our Republic.

Nope

You should have read the lawsuit. Don't blame me for your ignorance.

My guess is you didnt.
I know exactly what the suit is about.
Do you?
18 States feel their citizens votes were offset by the votes of 4 states where the legislative body of those states did not change the law. Instead the governors and the courts of that state allowed for the change of the law.
That is unconstitutional and truth is, will set a really bad precedent for our future.
A governor is responsible to enforce state law. A court is responsible to ensure the law is constitutional. Neither body has the right to change the law. Only lawmakers have that right.

Curious....there is a 6-3 right leaning SCOTUS.....more likely 5-4 seeing as Roberts is more in the middle leaning left.

Would you be OK with that court changing laws?

I wouldn't be...even though I am a conservative.

Honestly, the suit is about a great many things. Paxton didn't really engage in any editing, preferring instead to throw the spaghetti at the wall.

In a lot of instances of this supposed unconstitutional change, they're flatly wrong. In a lot of instances, the law was silent about certain procedures or policies and that therefore goes to the state's executive to implement laws with their discretion in such ambiguity. In other instances, the state's laws were determined to be unconstitutional and the courts ruled that the election law had to be changed as a result. In other instances, the governor used delegated authorities by emergency powers to alter state regulations in the setting of a pandemic.

Other states did this too, such as Texas, however they're not asking to have the courts take away their electoral votes because they voted for Trump. No, only four states who voted for Biden are being targeted.

This isn't about constitutionality and principle, it's about virtue signaling to Trump supporters. If it were about principle, there would be a lot more states named in the lawsuit.

If you are against the court's changing laws, then you should know that this VERY lawsuit is asking the SCOTUS to change the laws. So much for consistency.

well said, but I believe you may be wrong. It seems to me that this suit is not asking SCOTUS to change laws. It is asking them to interpret law. One can apply an executive order. But not if it is in direct conflict of written law. Does it apply here? I dont know. Neither do you. Based on your post, you are obviously intelligent. I believe I am as well...(although my wife calls me a dumbass but I regress).. But do either of us know constitutional law as the justices do? I doubt it. Let them decide. It may not be a valid suit. I really dont know. But with my limited knowledge of constitutional law, I believe it is worthy of consideration. My biggest concern is what kind of precedent will be set if the SCOTUS allows governors to "change" law. That can be very scary for all of us.

If you read the lawsuit, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that the lawsuit is asking SCOTUS to delay the meeting of the electors which is currently set for Monday and which was determined by Congress as stipulated in the Constitution.

There's a process for challenging executive orders, and in some cases, that process occurred. Waiting until after the votes have cast to cry foul is not okay with me.

I understand. I don't disagree with you. Timing is everything and on Monday morning crying about a change in the game rules on Sunday is not the best action to take. I get it. Truth is, Biden will take the WH. I am OK with that. However, I am more wrapped up in precedent being set for future elections. We need to nip this in the bud now before it becomes the norm.

Just an FYI.....I am 62 years old. I have 30 years left if I am lucky and If lay off the alcohol a bit. My life will not be affected by Biden, Harris, Trump, or AOC in the WH. By the time it all gels, I will be gelling in the ground. I just love to debate.

We do need to be careful about what precedents we are setting and in my mind these lawsuits by Trump allies would set FAR worse precedents should they succeed.

Yes, rules for the election changed. They changed BEFORE the election. The idea that Texas can sue to change the rules BACK in Pennsylvania is ultimately an incredibly destructive way to go forward because then any state can sue any other state after the election because they don't like how that election was handled.

That's no way to run a country. It would result in complete chaos.

The point is that the people who changed them weren't authorized to change them. It doesn't matter when they did it. We know all you Dim scum love a dictator, but the Constitution doesn't allow it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The United States has existed for 244 years. If the Texas lawsuit challenging the results of the 2020 presidential election fails, the United States will cease to exist. The US came to be as a result of a people wanting to be free of elite government power. The founders that created the United states realized that individual liberty was so important that a life-risking break with traditional aristocratic control was the only way to fashion a truly free society.

There is an evil in this world that will always be with us. Certain aspects of all societies will always rise to power and when that evil gets power it will never willingly relent to the will of the people because the people are regarded as inferior and unfit to choose their own destiny. When Benjamin Franklin was asked if we have a republic or a monarchy he is purported to have said: “A republic if we can keep it.” Whether he actually uttered those exact words is less important than their meaning.

Franklin knew full well that the minds and hearts of the people could be tricked and swindled by clever power merchants appealing to fear and personal greed. But he like the founders had faith that the people would recognize the power they held with their votes. Rank and file citizens have a collective common sense, and they cannot be fooled indefinitely. They can vote out the power if they choose. This is the golden difference the US possesses as opposed to the rest of the world.

This golden difference became manifest when Donald Trump gained access to the White House by virtue of the vote in the wake of an awakening that government was acting on its own behalf not in the best interest of the people. The people had been tricked and fooled once but not again.

The wickedness of the 2020 election became clear when the vote was tainted and manipulated with fraud. Joe Biden was “selected” with votes, not elected by voters. The hearts and minds of the people were supplanted with mountains of paper ballots rising out of last-minute unconstitutional changes by state actors skirting any actual legislative process. It was brazenly done in broad daylight; it was the raw power that Franklin warned about.

Seventeen states have joined Texas in this lawsuit to save our republic. Let us hope the Supreme Court comes to our rescue.

SCOTUS is going to rule against you because your Orange God and his sycophants are lying to you, and you are willingly believing them because cult.

If they rule according to the law, trump will be re elected.

 

[bripat9643]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

That is not true at least in MI and PA. The outer envelope has the voter’s name and signature the ballot does not but both share the same number. The ballot is anonymous as it has no name on it for any counter to see. Different people verify and open the envelopes than those counting the ballots.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

Uff...
That’s what they do when processing the ballots.
Why do you imagine some ad hoc, haphazard process to count millions of ballots? Each step is verified and recorded, sorted and stored in order. How else could they possibly recount? It would be impossible for anyone to insert any large numbers of fraudulent ballots without the system recognizing the anomalies.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Certainly not in the ways or at the scale you describe. There are simply too many safeguards to allow such a thing to happen across so many states simultaneously.
I suspect you know this at some level.

Yes, because systems never fail, and criminal enterprises never succeed because of the implements in their path.

The Dim party is a criminal enterprise.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, because systems never fail, and criminal enterprises never succeed because of the implements in their path.

Watch Biden extend the so-called "State of Emergency" indefinitely.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

That is not true at least in MI and PA. The outer envelope has the voter’s name and signature the ballot does not but both share the same number. The ballot is anonymous as it has no name on it for any counter to see. Different people verify and open the envelopes than those counting the ballots.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

Uff...
That’s what they do when processing the ballots.
Why do you imagine some ad hoc, haphazard process to count millions of ballots? Each step is verified and recorded, sorted and stored in order. How else could they possibly recount? It would be impossible for anyone to insert any large numbers of fraudulent ballots without the system recognizing the anomalies.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Certainly not in the ways or at the scale you describe. There are simply too many safeguards to allow such a thing to happen across so many states simultaneously.
I suspect you know this at some level.

ROFL! You are so fucking gullible!

ROFL! You are so fucking gullible!

Says the guy who is arguing against reality and losing but doesn’t even see it yet.
Normally I’d see that as ironic but in your case it’s more a manifestation of some severe pathology at play.

 

[SC Patriot]

What's unconstitutional about the SC moving the date because of wholesale election fraud?

The fact that the Constitution does not give them the authority to do that.

and the constitution does not give one man or one woman the authority to change election law.

Depends on what precisely you mean by change election law. Because sometimes the legislatures has given governors the authority to change laws in settings of emergencies and that's what a lot of governs did in some circumstances.

Actually, I believe that is inaccurate. Laws can not be changed or altered unless by the legislative body of that state. However, with permission of the legislative body following an emergency call of such body, they can give permission to the governor to make an amendment.
Refer back to the great recession. It was his demise, but McCain put a pause on his campaign so he can meet to vote on allowing Bush to make decisions that were not in accordance with standing law. Obama opted to vote present. But the bottom line, there was a reason for an emergency meeting of the law makers. It was to allow Bush to do what he needed to do.
The four states in question did not do this.
The governors (and maybe AG's) amended law without voter representation (state legislators).

 

[martybegan]

I have faith in our Conservative court to not only reject this ridiculous claim but to admonish EVERY Republican who endorses it.

Why should Republicans be "admonished" for protesting against stolen elections? There is really little point in spending the time or money to run for office if you are going to be swindled.

Further, no one will contribute to an election campaign that has no chance of succeeding because of fraud.

Because it wasn't stolen. For the first time in many election cycles, the Republican tactic of voter suppression was largely removed. Granted, it was because of the pandemic (which I'd like to point out was made worse by the lack of response from the WH and impeded by the Republican party). Individual states made their own election rules. It is up to the state to set those rules. If you truly believe in the Constitution, then you believe in state's rights. If not, it's just bullshit talk. You believe in selective interpretation. For the SC to rule in Texas favor, it would have to throw out and invalidate millions of legally cast votes. Straight up voter disenfranchisement. It's bad enough that the Republican party engages in voter suppression and gerrymandering, but this?...is straight up theft..and sedition.

How is making a person vote in person and prove they are eligible to vote voter surpression?

States made the election rules. There are states that have used mail in voting for years without incident. The military has used it for decades.
Voting in person (especially during a pandemic) may not be possible for everyone. Hence, a way for Republicans to practice voter suppression.
Everyone who cast a vote was eligible. 73 million of the morons voted for Trump.

Your man lost. And you're pissed. I get it. But this behavior is just un-American.

You just like mail in voting because it makes it easier to cheat, and you know your side has no issues with cheating.

Maybe you can explain how it is possible to cheat in a mail in ballot?

Do millions of soldiers and sailors cheat every year when they vote by mail?

harvesting is the biggest one.

Usually mail in ballots are requested, which allows for tracing.

It adds also the chance for stuffing in the counting rooms, by increasing the paper count.

How do you stuff ballots when each ballot has a unique bar code traceable to a registered voter?

If ballots were stuffed, multiple votes would show up for registered voters.......There were no instances of that happening

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

Harvesting is going around picking up unused ballots and sending them in.

So how about after the election we do a full count and comparison? I have a feeling many of these have already been destroyed to cover up.

Each outer envelope is unique, the ballots are not as they have to be anonymous.

That is not true at least in MI and PA. The outer envelope has the voter’s name and signature the ballot does not but both share the same number. The ballot is anonymous as it has no name on it for any counter to see. Different people verify and open the envelopes than those counting the ballots.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

So count and match every single ballot and prove there was no fraud.

Uff...
That’s what they do when processing the ballots.
Why do you imagine some ad hoc, haphazard process to count millions of ballots? Each step is verified and recorded, sorted and stored in order. How else could they possibly recount? It would be impossible for anyone to insert any large numbers of fraudulent ballots without the system recognizing the anomalies.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Yes, because voter fraud has never ever occurred, ever.

Keep sticking your head in the sand because you got what you wanted. Lie to yourself that nothing funny happened.

Certainly not in the ways or at the scale you describe. There are simply too many safeguards to allow such a thing to happen across so many states simultaneously.
I suspect you know this at some level.

Yes, because systems never fail, and criminal enterprises never succeed because of the implements in their path.

Watch Biden extend to so-called "State of Emergency" indefinitely.

He won't have to do it, the Blue State governors will be emboldened to do it for him.

Watch how quickly lefties will return to the use of Feds being the gold standard in States that won't comply.

 

[bripat9643]

Prove it, asshole.

I've given you the part of the constitution that proves it. I've given you the citation twice.

Why the hell would I give it to you a third time and expect any less ignorance from you?

It proves nothing of the sort.

 

[colfax_m]

You leave about half of the story out- of course.

Go on. What half did I leave out?

 

[colfax_m]

It proves nothing of the sort.

Do you even know what I'm referring to? If so, how does it not prove anything of the sort? The constitution isn't ambiguous here.