The Third Worst Thing that Could happen to Democrats would be for a Judge to Force a Planeload of Deportees to Turn Back.

[scruffy]

The Third Worst Thing that Could happen to Democrats would be for a Judge to Force a Planeload of Deportees to Turn Back.​

So you're saying it's a bad thing to force the admin to comply with the law? Actually, that makes sense since trumples support lawlessness and voted for a felon.

Fuck that. Trump should ignore the corrupt judges till the Supreme Court steps in.

Judges don't get to tell the President how to do his job. IGNORE the rotten bastards. Don't even show up for the case. Don't send any DOJ lawyers to argue against a corrupt court. IGNORE the fuckers, and force the high Court to go on the record.

 

[scruffy]

I believe there is an appeals process.

Use it.

Ignoring a judge's ruling is contempt and should be treated as such..

We have LOTS of contempt for corrupt judges, doofus.

Congress is dysfunctional and judges are acting like fucking Nazis. The President should use his veto pen and ignore the lower courts.

We the People voted for an agenda and it's being carried out. That is enough. Why do you hate democracy?

 

[BluesLegend]

I disagree. I think Democrats should openly and proudly show Americans who they truly are, BFF's with criminal illegals who RAPE and MURDER.

 

[scruffy]

I disagree. I think Democrats should openly and proudly show Americans who they truly are, BFF's with criminal illegals who RAPE and MURDER.

Democrats don't have the guts to show anyone who they truly are.

They hire Hollywood producers to hide themselves, and concoct imaginary realities. They astroturf their protests. They lie through their teeth to cover up their true selves.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have to wonder if Trump's plan is to bring about the third worst (the administration being forced to bring back illegals by a rogue judge), without allowing it to get as far as the second and worst, (returned illegals released by a rogue judge and Americans being killed by one of the illegals returned and released by rogue judges).

It would be to his advantage for at least the third worst to happen. It would give him a veto proof majority in the Senate, and an overwhelming majority willing to impeach rogue judges in the House.

Why else would he invoke the Enemy Alien Act, when he has unquestioned power to simply deport those people?

You cannot impeach a "rogue" judge because he or she has not committed a crime. Disagreeing with the verdict means you can appeal. As long as that option is open, the judge is free to decide as they wish. It is one of the costs of an independent judiciary and Roberts' comments were dead on!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Venezuelan migrant deported from U.S. to El Salvador has no criminal record, documents show​

It's a shame he ruined his perfect record by illegally entering the US.

"He was not given due process," attorney Martin Rosenow said.

He should appeal after he gets out of jail.

He should appeal to the Venezuelans to take him back as he has no right to be in the US as he was an illegal, no matter his criminal history. Venezuela should have no problem taking him back if he is not a criminal.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Fuck that. Trump should ignore the corrupt judges till the Supreme Court steps in.

Judges don't get to tell the President how to do his job. IGNORE the rotten bastards. Don't even show up for the case. Don't send any DOJ lawyers to argue against a corrupt court. IGNORE the fuckers, and force the high Court to go on the record.

Yes, I argued that exact point on another thread.

 

[Crepitus]

Yes, I'm sure they will use the appeals process.

Bringing terrorist gang member to the United States to rape and kill American girls and women in the meantime, hardly seems prudent, I'm sure you would agree?

You still haven't proven they are gang members.

And they aren't terrorists either. They just threw that word in there to get the low info base excited.

 

[Crepitus]

Venezuelan migrant deported from U.S. to El Salvador has no criminal record, documents show​

That is the case with most immigrants, BTW

 

[Crepitus]

We have LOTS of contempt for corrupt judges, doofus.

Congress is dysfunctional and judges are acting like fucking Nazis. The President should use his veto pen and ignore the lower courts.

We the People voted for an agenda and it's being carried out. That is enough. Why do you hate democracy?

Dude, get your head outta the MAGAverse for a change. Every single thing you just posted is absolute fantasy.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You still haven't proven they are gang members.

And they aren't terrorists either. They just threw that word in there to get the low info base excited.

I don't have to prove it.

Immigration officers have always been allowed to deny assylum requests, and undocumented aliens have always been subject to summary deportation, without any court hearings. All illegal aliens are subject to deportation, not just terrorists and murderers. Homan said that many times during the campaign and the American people put him and others who said similar things in power.

If you don't like the way this administration handles executive duties, you should have run a real candidate in 2024.

Biden's catch and release program of giving them court dates was only a stall, to allow them to stay in the country for years, so Democrats could then say "they've been in the country for years! Legally! Give them a voter registration form, quick!"

 

[Crepitus]

I don't have to prove it.

Of course you do. We call it "Due Process" here in the US and everybody gets it.

 

[Dragonlady]

I think that most Democrats are smart enought to know that. If the Trump admin had complied with the judge's ruling and brought those TDA terrorists back, then the Democrats would have succeeded in placing American lives in danger in order to be protective of illegal alien terror gang members.

I guesstimate that would have knocked Dems out of five House seats and one Senate seat in 2026. No doubt elected Democrats who are cheering Judge Boasberg on are secretly relieved that Trump is ignoring him.



The legal expert above (that you never heard of) believes that Boasberg will demand that the government explain to him how they have vetted deportees, both those who are already gone and those about to be deported, to make sure they are actual gang members and not "just affiliated." That idea seems almost designed to infuriate typical Americans, as do so many actions by Democrats.

Second worst thing that could happen is for one of these deportees to be released.

That would very likely happen if the administration suddenly decided that 'oh, yeah. We do have to get approval from the judiciary to carry out executive functions, even to protect the American people in an emergency. Yes, any one of the more than seven hundred low-level federal judges can demand we justify our actions to her before we take them.'

If that happened then the next order would be to release those gang members or "affiliated people." Complying with that order would anger voters, but more at Democrats than the Trump administration. Especially if the judge threatened to lock up admin officials who did not comply.

Worst thing that could happen to Democrats is for one of those released gang members or affiliates to kill an American. Again, that is very likely if the administration complies with Boasberg's demands. That happens and the Democrats may only have seats during the 2027-2028 congress in states like California, Oregon, New York and the New York Juniors like RI and MA.

Trump is saving you from yourselves, Democrats.

If these guys were so bad, why did Trump have to get them out of the country so fast, and without due process?????

WHAT LIES IS HE HIDING THIS TIME????

 

[Seymour Flops]

Of course you do. We call it "Due Process" here in the US and everybody gets it.

Ah! Glad you said that!

So, you would be the one to answer my questions:

What would the "due process" you demand prior to removing these illegal aliens look like?

Would they go to court in every case? Would they be given a free lawyer to represent them? What would be the standard of proof for the government to justify a removal? If a judge gave an order of removal, how soon should the illegal be deported?

Why would we not just use the expedited removal process that has been in place for decades? That is the process that they are due.

Expedited removal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The IIRIRA gave the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the name for the umbrella organization responsible for immigration enforcement at the time) the authority to remove from the United States, without the need for a hearing before an immigration judge, people who:

1. are either applicants for admission to the United States or satisfy the following conditions: have entered the United States without admission or advance parole, and have been continuously physically present in the United States for less than two years,
2. are inadmissible under certain statutory grounds primarily due to failure to comply with visa or other entry document requirements, and/or fraud or misrepresentation,
3. make no claim to lawful permanent resident status, and
4. do not seek asylum or express a fear of persecution.

Exceptions and government discretion​

A number of de facto and de jure exceptions apply to expedited removal.<a

Asylum seekers​

Those who request to apply for asylum, or express a fear of persecution or torture when they make contact with immigration enforcement, are referred for a credible fear interview with a United States Citizenship and Immigration Services officer. If they are able to demonstrate to the officer that they have a credible fear of persecution or torture, they may no longer be subject to expedited removal, but go through a regular immigration hearing before a judge. If they fail to convince the USCIS officer that they have a credible fear of persecution or torture, they may be subject to expedited removal.

 

[Crepitus]

Would they go to court in every case? Would they be given a free lawyer to represent them?

Yes.

That's the way it works.

You know this.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If these guys were so bad, why did Trump have to get them out of the country so fast, and without due process?????

What? He had to get them out of the country because they were so bad. He should have waited a while for them to rape and kill more young women and girls? Including immigrant women and girls?

Anyway, good, bad or ugly, they were in the country illegally and subject to removal at any time.

WHAT LIES IS HE HIDING THIS TIME????

What lies can you prove?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes.

That's the way it works.

You know this.

Why not just use Expedited Removal?

 

[Crepitus]

Why not just use Expedited Removal?

That ususally only applies in cases of fraud or misrepresentation.

Feel free to show us the cases for these folks who were flown to El Salvador against judges orders.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That ususally only applies in cases of fraud or misrepresentation.

Feel free to show us the cases for these folks who were flown to El Salvador against judges orders.

Expedited Removal is not restricted to cases of fraud or misrepresentation. Why do you think that it is?

I don't have to show you any cases. It's the DHS and the State Department's job to determine who is expelled from the country, and they seem to be doing a good job.

They're not going as fast as Biden and Obama did with their deportations, but Trump is focusing on the worst of the illegals, not simply going to job sites and rounding them up.

 

[Crepitus]

Expedited Removal is not restricted to cases of fraud or misrepresentation

You should look it up.