The Trump Conundrum

[billyerock1991]

it's only 8 years. just vote for him.

Great... okay... so I'll probably end up voting for him because I don't have another choice... he's still not going to win the election if he doesn't stop attacking the wrong targets. If he keeps on doing stupid shit that drags the campaign off into no-mans land, he will lose and lose big.

i don't believe he can stop attacking people ... from what we have been seeing here is his inability to keep his yap shut... as we all know he's too thin skinned

 

[Boss]

I don't know that I can stand behind either of these candidates. I'm smart enough to realize a third party vote is a waste and I don't really like the Johnson option anyway... I think the guy is a nutball. His running mate is even more of a loose marble.

BUT... This is not about who I vote for... this is about the campaign Trump is running which is going to end in disaster. He simply cannot continue to attack everyone who isn't worshiping at his feet. You don't win over voters by attacking them and calling them losers that you don't need anyway.... that strategy will fail. You don't go off the reservation attacking a Gold Star father, regardless of who he is or what he does or what connections he has where... none of that shit matters to most Americans.

All of this time squandered the past two weeks attacking Ted Cruz again and then attacking a democrat hack who spoke at the Democrat convention... it's stupidity on a phenomenal scale. He's running against HILLARY CLINTON! FOCUS! Or, you're going to lose!

Bullshit. He didn't "attack" the damn muslim, he responded TO an attack. I'm sure you would prefer he say nothing to defend himself.
Point 2, he hasn't spent the past two weeks attacking Cruz. If he has, post it.

Well... YES, he DID. His knee-jerk reaction to any criticism is to attack. Not only did he attack the man, his sycophants have spent the last several days attacking the man in various editorials and on social media with stories about what he does for a living, his background, etc. Trump didn't have to defend himself... that was pointless. Did he accomplish anything? Did he win over any new voters? NO! If anything, he alienated some more. He HAS to stop this if he expects to win.

And as for Cruz, my OP plainly says... he only stopped attacking Cruz to launch into an attack of the Muslim Gold Star father. I mean, what's going to get him to move on from that? Does he need a female Hispanic police officer to attack next? Maybe a pro-life black woman?

When is going to stop sucking the asses of Bernie supporters and go after Hillary Clinton? I kind of think that might be crucial for him to win.

Look... goofball... I don't know if you just fell of a turnip truck but let me explain to you how politics work for the GOP nominee for president... Rule No. 1: The media is not your friend! All of this air time they gave Trump to explain himself during the primaries in order to wipe out the field... that's over... that's not going to happen anymore. The media is in the tank for Hillary... they are not going to let this kind of thing go and they will relentlessly attack Trump and keep him on the defensive... he HAS to learn to move on. He HAS to change his strategy now. He cannot afford to get bogged down in one controversy after another and constantly be on the defensive. If THAT is going to be his strategy, he will lose. Guaranteed.

Trump will not lose. He will win HUGE - no matter how much you will him to lose.

Well... okay, you guys go right ahead and slap each other on the back and arrogantly proclaim victory... you're going to get your asses stomped if this shit doesn't change... I promise you that! It's not even going to be close. When that happens, all of your bullshit excuses about how Trump was railroaded... the system is rigged... everybody was against him... the whiny babies didn't support him.... NONE of that is going to be any consolation to us when we wake up the day after the election to President-elect Hillary Clinton!

seems you're a bit one sided ... lets look at what democrats presidents have done for the country ... Bill Clinton past a tax increase ... we were told by the republican party that will put us deeper into debt ... that will cause the market to crash ... that didn't happen we ended up with a surplus under democratic rule ... here we have Obama he passed and signed for loan to the banking community and the car companies ... we were told by the right left them fail ... this loan will break the country ... as we all with a brain know that too didn't happen ... Obama got a bill passed to help the people in his first year in office the republicans refuse to give us what we need because they know that would have pulled us out of a spiraling economy we were having ...so we were forced by the republicans too do it slowly .... either way we Dems once again pulled us out a big fucking mess that you republicans caused ... now you want to elect a maniac like trump into the white house ... whose plane will cause 31 trillion dollars of debt and Hillarys won't ... you really want us to believe you that trump is the better deal cause of your hatred of Hillary???

Look goofball.. Hillary Clinton will be an unmitigated DISASTER for America. Her presidency will be WORSE than Obama's and that was pretty bad. She has NOTHING to offer in terms of policy or competence that I want leading this country. NOTHING.

She is arguably the worst, most corrupt and crooked person to ever seek the office of president. She is equally as unqualified as Obama. It's stunning and jaw-dropping that her corrupt ass is even running. She should be in prison for what she has gotten away with. She may very well end up there before it's all said and done because there is still a lot of stuff yet to come out on her.

Of ALL the things in this world, the LAST thing that I want to happen is for her to win this election.... but that means Trump has to win. Now..... I can sit here with the pom-pom wavers and smear and jeer everyone who dares to raise questions about his strategy or what he's saying.... but I don't think that is helpful in winning the general election. I think that's a guaranteed loss. As much as I differ with him on policy and some of the asinine shit he's throwing out there... I still want him to defeat Hillary Clinton.

So I can sit back and wave the pom-poms and wait for the day after he loses to Hillary and come here whining about how the system was rigged and everybody ganged up on him and people didn't back him... and deal with 4-8 years of President Hildabeast... OR... I can voice my opinion on how he can turn this thing around and WIN the damn election. I'm making an effort to penetrate the hard-heads who are supporting Trump... you best be getting this guy back on track and stop attacking the wrong target. If you can't bring yourselves to do that, the game is over... Hillary WILL win.

 

[billyerock1991]

Politicians lie.
They don't say what they think or feel.
They say what you want to hear.
Trump is not a politician.
Trump is not "politically correct".
He says what he feels.
This scares off the establishment.
Screw the do-nothing establishment who has allowed a socialist community organizer to roll over them for 8 years.
Screw any so-called republicans that say they will support the democratic party.
I'm voting Trump.

of course you are ...we never thought you would do anything different ...

 

[Old Rocks]

I sincerely wonder now if there will even be a Trump campaign by the time November rolls around.
I have witnessed quite a few presidential campaigns now, and I have not seen anything like this.
This guy continues to shoot himself in the foot on a daily basis. All's he needed to do was focus on Hillary, the economy, the Dimocrat policies regarding illegal immigration and refugees, and law and order.
Instead he get's butthurt so easily, he responds to stupid shit that takes the focus completely away from what's important, and for days he hands the media stories that paint him as a nut.

Unless we have a rash of terrorist attacks here in the U.S. and or a # of police executions, Hillary is going to win.

No she won't. The bus stop rat bag old hag power-hungry incompetent lying piece of shit will lose huge.

See you on 9Nov16.

 

[Mac1958]

Politicians lie.
They don't say what they think or feel.
They say what you want to hear.
Trump is not a politician.
Trump is not "politically correct".
He says what he feels.
This scares off the establishment.
Screw the do-nothing establishment who has allowed a socialist community organizer to roll over them for 8 years.
Screw any so-called republicans that say they will support the democratic party.
I'm voting Trump.

of course you are ...we never thought you would do anything different ...

This notion that Trump "says we he feels" is the biggest hole in his supporters' story.

He says what he thinks will make the sale at that given moment, and then deals with the fallout later.

His supporters are trying to make him into something he isn't.
.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's people like you that will get her elected.

No... If she gets elected it's 100% on Trump. Not me.

People like you, within the GOP, are the people who put Trump in as your nominee. You and the rest could have stopped him in the primaries by holding his feet to the fire on the dingbat statements he continually made. You chose not to, excusing them as just politics. Now you have earned this candidate. Enjoy.

 

[Boss]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

 

[Boss]

It's people like you that will get her elected.

No... If she gets elected it's 100% on Trump. Not me.

People like you, within the GOP, are the people who put Trump in as your nominee. You and the rest could have stopped him in the primaries by holding his feet to the fire on the dingbat statements he continually made. You chose not to, excusing them as just politics. Now you have earned this candidate. Enjoy.

Well I don't know what else you think I could've done... I voted for Ted Cruz.

 

[billyerock1991]

Bullshit. He didn't "attack" the damn muslim, he responded TO an attack. I'm sure you would prefer he say nothing to defend himself.
Point 2, he hasn't spent the past two weeks attacking Cruz. If he has, post it.

Well... YES, he DID. His knee-jerk reaction to any criticism is to attack. Not only did he attack the man, his sycophants have spent the last several days attacking the man in various editorials and on social media with stories about what he does for a living, his background, etc. Trump didn't have to defend himself... that was pointless. Did he accomplish anything? Did he win over any new voters? NO! If anything, he alienated some more. He HAS to stop this if he expects to win.

And as for Cruz, my OP plainly says... he only stopped attacking Cruz to launch into an attack of the Muslim Gold Star father. I mean, what's going to get him to move on from that? Does he need a female Hispanic police officer to attack next? Maybe a pro-life black woman?

When is going to stop sucking the asses of Bernie supporters and go after Hillary Clinton? I kind of think that might be crucial for him to win.

Look... goofball... I don't know if you just fell of a turnip truck but let me explain to you how politics work for the GOP nominee for president... Rule No. 1: The media is not your friend! All of this air time they gave Trump to explain himself during the primaries in order to wipe out the field... that's over... that's not going to happen anymore. The media is in the tank for Hillary... they are not going to let this kind of thing go and they will relentlessly attack Trump and keep him on the defensive... he HAS to learn to move on. He HAS to change his strategy now. He cannot afford to get bogged down in one controversy after another and constantly be on the defensive. If THAT is going to be his strategy, he will lose. Guaranteed.

Trump will not lose. He will win HUGE - no matter how much you will him to lose.

Well... okay, you guys go right ahead and slap each other on the back and arrogantly proclaim victory... you're going to get your asses stomped if this shit doesn't change... I promise you that! It's not even going to be close. When that happens, all of your bullshit excuses about how Trump was railroaded... the system is rigged... everybody was against him... the whiny babies didn't support him.... NONE of that is going to be any consolation to us when we wake up the day after the election to President-elect Hillary Clinton!

seems you're a bit one sided ... lets look at what democrats presidents have done for the country ... Bill Clinton past a tax increase ... we were told by the republican party that will put us deeper into debt ... that will cause the market to crash ... that didn't happen we ended up with a surplus under democratic rule ... here we have Obama he passed and signed for loan to the banking community and the car companies ... we were told by the right left them fail ... this loan will break the country ... as we all with a brain know that too didn't happen ... Obama got a bill passed to help the people in his first year in office the republicans refuse to give us what we need because they know that would have pulled us out of a spiraling economy we were having ...so we were forced by the republicans too do it slowly .... either way we Dems once again pulled us out a big fucking mess that you republicans caused ... now you want to elect a maniac like trump into the white house ... whose plane will cause 31 trillion dollars of debt and Hillarys won't ... you really want us to believe you that trump is the better deal cause of your hatred of Hillary???

Look goofball.. Hillary Clinton will be an unmitigated DISASTER for America. Her presidency will be WORSE than Obama's and that was pretty bad. She has NOTHING to offer in terms of policy or competence that I want leading this country. NOTHING.

She is arguably the worst, most corrupt and crooked person to ever seek the office of president. She is equally as unqualified as Obama. It's stunning and jaw-dropping that her corrupt ass is even running. She should be in prison for what she has gotten away with. She may very well end up there before it's all said and done because there is still a lot of stuff yet to come out on her.

Of ALL the things in this world, the LAST thing that I want to happen is for her to win this election.... but that means Trump has to win. Now..... I can sit here with the pom-pom wavers and smear and jeer everyone who dares to raise questions about his strategy or what he's saying.... but I don't think that is helpful in winning the general election. I think that's a guaranteed loss. As much as I differ with him on policy and some of the asinine shit he's throwing out there... I still want him to defeat Hillary Clinton.

So I can sit back and wave the pom-poms and wait for the day after he loses to Hillary and come here whining about how the system was rigged and everybody ganged up on him and people didn't back him... and deal with 4-8 years of President Hildabeast... OR... I can voice my opinion on how he can turn this thing around and WIN the damn election. I'm making an effort to penetrate the hard-heads who are supporting Trump... you best be getting this guy back on track and stop attacking the wrong target. If you can't bring yourselves to do that, the game is over... Hillary WILL win.

we get it dumb fuck you hate hillary ... seem you can accept all of trumps lies and crooked deals thats perfectly fine with you ...and yet you accept trumps failings to be OK in your book ...you talk about hillarys lies and her being crooked has she stiffed thousand of people out of her life savings like trump has but thats perfectly fine for you ...she said she did post classified emails to her server ... as we later learned the emails that the FBI stated turned out not to be classified but you lap the republican banter like a good little lap dog you are ...

then they shouted hillary slept during the benghazi attacks ... that too was a lie from the right hillary spent the whole evening and the next day trying to get some one to help them ... you and your Ilk on the right said she lied that too turned out to be inaccurate ... then she deleted her private emails... you all tried to make something out of that ... she had her lawyer look into the 30,000 emails that she wants to deleted ... so she had some one there who saw them before she deleted them, you see personal emails are't government property and you guys bit into that right wing propaganda bull shit...

the sad part here you goof ball you don't want to really look into who did what and when ...your hatred towards the clintons shows here ... that it clouds your inability to look at anything unbiased ... did you read the PDF files on benghazi its all there ... here under the republican watch we sat and watched 60 people die in their embassy... not one of you on the right were outraged like you are here ... hillary has 4 people in a embassy die and its the crime of the century cause it was on Hillarys watch ... then you republicans need to exaggerate it intro something it wasn't ... where you republicans were all over it like flies on shit like it was the worst thing in the world ... hey embassy get attacked thats not going to change ...

 

[billyerock1991]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

 

[billyerock1991]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new

It's people like you that will get her elected.

No... If she gets elected it's 100% on Trump. Not me.

People like you, within the GOP, are the people who put Trump in as your nominee. You and the rest could have stopped him in the primaries by holding his feet to the fire on the dingbat statements he continually made. You chose not to, excusing them as just politics. Now you have earned this candidate. Enjoy.

Well I don't know what else you think I could've done... I voted for Ted Cruz.

well you clearly established you are a idiot...,

 

[Freewill]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

 

[Freewill]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.

I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

A long post without one word about what either candidate will do about the important issues the US faces. Why bother to vote at all if you have no interest in what the candidates will do about the important issues?

you know, i disagree with him on almost everything. but i have to respect that he at least seems to care from a moral level about the person who leads the country.

he isn't analyzing trump's policy because trump has no policies.

that said. i still disagree with the o/p but respect his concerns.

Actually, Trump does have clear policies....and they scare the hell out of you fascist democrats.....

not really doesn't scare the crap out of me ... what it does do in case you're interestted it scares the crap out of the independent voter whose trying t see who they want to vote for ... it seems be be more on the hillary side then it does of the side for Trump ...

 

[candycorn]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

That you are against Clinton is a hell of a reason to vote for Ms. Clinton.

 

[Granny]

Great Goose ... I do believe it's a 4 year term ... unless re-elected.

Nevertheless, I'm in it for Trump. Yes, he's running a less-than-usual campaign - loud, brash, provocative - certainly not a "3 piece suit" sort of campaign. I'll confess I didn't read the OPs long post word for word ... but I do have a few remarks. As to Megyn Kelly - she got what she deserved. She threw out her hardcore feminist jab with great deliberation - a side of her that I had never seen in the past. Trump gave her back as good as she gave out. And then she immediately chopped off her hair most unattractively into a masculine looking mess ... I pretty much quit watching Fox News because of her. I've recently started watching again on a "hit or miss" basis. In fact, Greta had a wonderful interview with Ivanka Trump last night - and after that I flipped to another channel.

We've certainly seen what 8 years of Obama has given us. If you've read any book at all BY him or about him, you have to know that he has no love for this country and has lived his entire life under the influence of communism and Muslim teachings ... and that's where his sympathies lie. If you've read anything at all about either of the Clintons or about Hillary specifically you would know their history and what we'd be headed for if she's elected to what would amount to a 3rd presidential term ... remember we were getting "two for the price of one" when Bill Clinton ran for the office?

Do we know what we're getting if Trump is elected? No. Not really - but I'd far rather take my chances with an unknown Trump than a known Hillary. Think about this: there's probably a pretty good chance that Trump has not gone into business deals all these years with the kind of bravado he's now showing or nobody would deal with him ... and I'm certain given his financial/business/social position there is what I like to call "a tuxedo side" of Trump.

Here's the thing - for the first time in decades ... someone has stood up and spoken for the voices of people who are never heard in Congress and we, too, regardless how poor, are citizens of this country. Regardless of party affiliation or country - politics is about power, money, prestige, and personal gain.

I didn't read your long post word for word but let me comment. Maybe megyn cut her hair to make herself less attractive to fox executives.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not. I'm not a feminist myself and having worked with some of the hardcore types and seen them in action I have no respect for them. They're self-serving bitches.

 

[Iceweasel]

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

I'm a conservative, not a party member. This election if anything illustrates how corrupt government has become. So for me it's rather simple, a rough around the edges businessman that knows how to get things done or more of the same corruption.

Those are he options and no amount of bellyaching or accusations are going to change it. I choose to deal with reality the way it is, not what I want it to be.

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

well freewill, looks like a lot of republicans are either going to vote for hillary or a third party or not at all ... so you are correct in thinking Hillary will win

 

[Iceweasel]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

That you are against Clinton is a hell of a reason to vote for Ms. Clinton.

Interesting that you didn't say Mrs. Clinton. The fact a libtard like you supports her is evidence she is wrong for America.

 

[billyerock1991]

Great Goose ... I do believe it's a 4 year term ... unless re-elected.

Nevertheless, I'm in it for Trump. Yes, he's running a less-than-usual campaign - loud, brash, provocative - certainly not a "3 piece suit" sort of campaign. I'll confess I didn't read the OPs long post word for word ... but I do have a few remarks. As to Megyn Kelly - she got what she deserved. She threw out her hardcore feminist jab with great deliberation - a side of her that I had never seen in the past. Trump gave her back as good as she gave out. And then she immediately chopped off her hair most unattractively into a masculine looking mess ... I pretty much quit watching Fox News because of her. I've recently started watching again on a "hit or miss" basis. In fact, Greta had a wonderful interview with Ivanka Trump last night - and after that I flipped to another channel.

We've certainly seen what 8 years of Obama has given us. If you've read any book at all BY him or about him, you have to know that he has no love for this country and has lived his entire life under the influence of communism and Muslim teachings ... and that's where his sympathies lie. If you've read anything at all about either of the Clintons or about Hillary specifically you would know their history and what we'd be headed for if she's elected to what would amount to a 3rd presidential term ... remember we were getting "two for the price of one" when Bill Clinton ran for the office?

Do we know what we're getting if Trump is elected? No. Not really - but I'd far rather take my chances with an unknown Trump than a known Hillary. Think about this: there's probably a pretty good chance that Trump has not gone into business deals all these years with the kind of bravado he's now showing or nobody would deal with him ... and I'm certain given his financial/business/social position there is what I like to call "a tuxedo side" of Trump.

Here's the thing - for the first time in decades ... someone has stood up and spoken for the voices of people who are never heard in Congress and we, too, regardless how poor, are citizens of this country. Regardless of party affiliation or country - politics is about power, money, prestige, and personal gain.

I didn't read your long post word for word but let me comment. Maybe megyn cut her hair to make herself less attractive to fox executives.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not. I'm not a feminist myself and having worked with some of the hardcore types and seen them in action I have no respect for them. They're self-serving bitches.

and you're not ??? seems a bit self serving don't ya think ...