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So you just found this thread by random chance? Yeah, right.
You are too stupid for words.
Only folks who run around defending Mormons are Mormons...
Everyone else is just creeped out by you guys.
What I take issue with is the secrecy. I read the book "Secret Ceremonies" and the authoress was immediately excommunicated from the Mormon Church when it was published. I do not believe in organized religion. I think that Joseph Smith was likely very schizhophrenic and had delusions, hallucinations, you name it. If anybody came up with the stuff he did today, they'd be locked up in a mental hospital.
Keeping the inside of the temples secret only leads one to believe you have something to hide. I've been in St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. Nothing secretive about it.
Not to say that most Mormons I've ever know have truly been very nice people and they don't preach at all, which is nice, but I just don't believe any of what they have to say.
Mormons are good lovely people,but they're mislead by lies of a false prophet Joseph Smith Jr.Our goal is to helps them to know The Love of Jesus and truth as He warned about the false prophets who come as wolves in sheep skins in order to help Satan to mislead more souls for Hell.
The Bible was a book written by ignorant Bronze age sheepherders who didn't know where the sun went at night. The Book of Mormon was written by a petty con man who wanted to pork 14 year old girls. Neither has anything of worth to offer.
Wouldn't it be wise to read them before you decide that?
Really? because there have been lots of board members on here defending Mormons who aren't Mormons. Take Jake for example. He criticizes what he thinks is wrong but defends against things he knows is bullcrap.
There is nothing to be creeped out about Mormonism. The Gospel of Jesus Christ encourages all people to be better, not be creepy.
Mormons are good lovely people,but they're mislead by lies of a false prophet Joseph Smith Jr.Our goal is to helps them to know The Love of Jesus and truth as He warned about the false prophets who come as wolves in sheep skins in order to help Satan to mislead more souls for Hell.
So if Joseph Smith wasn't a true Prophet, who is?
Which part of the Book of Mormon do you disagree with? What exactly do you think is the lie?
JoeB does not know his butt from his mouth, for crap pours from both.
I am GOP. I am not LDS. I have very little use for the far hard right except for their votes: we assidiously recruit those (not the policies) every election. The JoeB's have ever right to express their wrong opinions, and as I defend that right, I will always beat downt their wrong opinions.
I want Romney because he has the very best chance to beat Obama. He can pull far more the center than Perry, period. Perry is not considered mainstream by the large majority of America. Romney is.
JoeB does not know his butt from his mouth, for crap pours from both.
I am GOP. I am not LDS. I have very little use for the far hard right except for their votes: we assidiously recruit those (not the policies) every election. The JoeB's have ever right to express their wrong opinions, and as I defend that right, I will always beat downt their wrong opinions.
I want Romney because he has the very best chance to beat Obama. He can pull far more the center than Perry, period. Perry is not considered mainstream by the large majority of America. Romney is.
JoeB does not know his butt from his mouth, for crap pours from both.
I am GOP. I am not LDS. I have very little use for the far hard right except for their votes: we assidiously recruit those (not the policies) every election. The JoeB's have ever right to express their wrong opinions, and as I defend that right, I will always beat downt their wrong opinions.
I want Romney because he has the very best chance to beat Obama. He can pull far more the center than Perry, period. Perry is not considered mainstream by the large majority of America. Romney is.
Agreed. The country is considered 'center-right' not 'right-right'. Perry will lose the middle and the election. Winning the primary isn't the same as winning the general. If he gets nominated, all the extreme rhetoric he has voiced, such as last week's, will come out
You are merely reactionary, JoeB, so what you think are liberals are merely people right of center and not far right in loonyville. Yes, the country is right of center, and Romney can get the job done. Perry is an empty suit, JoeB, who has never had an original idea. Show us his own thinking and original ideas for Texas. He doesn't have any. Romney will not only skunk Perry in NH, if Perry goes free range his mouth will end his campaign.
I think there are just a few major tenants of all religions. In Christianity its belief in Christ and the resurrection. In Buddhism its the Four Noble Truths and the Eight-fold Path, but there are also the derived believes and beliefs that come from scriptural interpretations. I really think we spend too much time and energy defending rather minor religious points.Truth, I believe in keeping faith simple. The simpler the better. The more you bring religion into it, the more problems you have with misunderstanding and ridicule.
Take for instance the Mormon position that the American Indians were descended from Jewish tribes that immigrated to this continent in two migrations. One across the Atlantic and one across the Pacific under water.
I have fun with that with my Mormon friends and ask them about where the Nuclear Power submarines came from that allowed the Jews/Indians to breath underwater with Oxygen generators... They always have trouble with that one.
Then I ask about all the great cities that the Indians had in the New World, but none of them correspond with the actual locations of archeological digs. I had one good Mormon friend who could only theorize that there were tremendous earthquakes just before Columbus came to the Americas and that those earthquakes moved all of the Indian cities around, as much as five hundred miles in some cases. Do you realize what tremendous tidal waves that would have created? That would have wiped all of the sea ports off of the surface of the earth, yet no tidal waves were reported.
Then add to that the fact that the Indians do not have any Jewish DNA Not a drop in the pure natives of this land. There was a Jewish mountain man by the name of Goldberger who impregnated over 100 Indian women in the late 1700's and early 1800's, but all of his DNA was documented in the Cherokee and various Plaines Indian tribes. What a man!
Nope, dude, it is better that you guys stress that God does forgive sin and that all we have to do to be forgiven is repent and ask for forgiveness and then ask for guidance. IF you teach that, most people can not disagree with you and you will have many followers. That can be a very good thing in this day and age.
You are attacking Romney, kiddo, but my realistic assessment of Perry is not an attack, simply realistic. Hard rights are reactionaries, not true conservatives, and those in party who oppose them are not liberals, period.
Perry has a weak lead, less than 3% average, on Romney among all GOP voters, whereas Romny is up in NH by almost 20% composite average on Perry. As the rest of the country's voters get to know more about the candidates, Romney will increase while Perry descreases in the voters' eyes.
Here this will help you. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination
Perry +2.5 overall ahead of Romney right now.
Gallup 8/17 - 8/21 25 14 11 11 7 9 3 4 3 1 Perry +11
PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 27 17 13 6 10 -- 7 7 3 2 Perry +10
Rasmussen Reports 8/15 - 8/15 29 18 -- 9 13 -- 5 6 1 1 Perry +11
FOX News 8/7 - 8/9 13 21 8 6 7 7 6 5 2 2 Romney +8
CNN/Opinion Research 8/5 - 8/7 15 17 12 12 7 12 5 4 2 4 Romney +2
USA Today/Gallup 8/4 - 8/7 17 24 -- 14 13 -- 7 4 1 2 Romney +7
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary clearly reveals that Romney is up by almost 20% over his opponents in New Hampshire.
I think there are just a few major tenants of all religions. In Christianity its belief in Christ and the resurrection. In Buddhism its the Four Noble Truths and the Eight-fold Path, but there are also the derived believes and beliefs that come from scriptural interpretations. I really think we spend too much time and energy defending rather minor religious points.Truth, I believe in keeping faith simple. The simpler the better. The more you bring religion into it, the more problems you have with misunderstanding and ridicule.
Take for instance the Mormon position that the American Indians were descended from Jewish tribes that immigrated to this continent in two migrations. One across the Atlantic and one across the Pacific under water.
I have fun with that with my Mormon friends and ask them about where the Nuclear Power submarines came from that allowed the Jews/Indians to breath underwater with Oxygen generators... They always have trouble with that one.
Then I ask about all the great cities that the Indians had in the New World, but none of them correspond with the actual locations of archeological digs. I had one good Mormon friend who could only theorize that there were tremendous earthquakes just before Columbus came to the Americas and that those earthquakes moved all of the Indian cities around, as much as five hundred miles in some cases. Do you realize what tremendous tidal waves that would have created? That would have wiped all of the sea ports off of the surface of the earth, yet no tidal waves were reported.
Then add to that the fact that the Indians do not have any Jewish DNA Not a drop in the pure natives of this land. There was a Jewish mountain man by the name of Goldberger who impregnated over 100 Indian women in the late 1700's and early 1800's, but all of his DNA was documented in the Cherokee and various Plaines Indian tribes. What a man!
Nope, dude, it is better that you guys stress that God does forgive sin and that all we have to do to be forgiven is repent and ask for forgiveness and then ask for guidance. IF you teach that, most people can not disagree with you and you will have many followers. That can be a very good thing in this day and age.
Joe simply can't stand the polls, the latest which closed just this week, long after Perry declared.
Romney's massive victory will weaken Perry enough that Romney will take a decent share of the vote in South Carolina. Once it becomes a two-person race after that, Romney will pull away.
The facts and the polls don't support Joe's assertions.
The polls put the lie to your comment that "nobody likes Romney." Only about 2% more of GOP right now prefer the Perry to the Romney. That will grow more in Romney's favor as Perry becomes more known.
I am not Mormon and I am not concerned about your atheism, Joe, you can believe as you wish. Check the polls for the numbers of Romney supporters. If USMB were electing the President, but . . . guess what, Joe: it's not.
Go to the polls and try to figure how four or five million American Mormons can sway the polls in the manner you suggest.
You are losing this discussion. Let's see if you can be civil while you are doing it.
