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see my latest postagain, what would you have done?
To my reading nagasaki & hiroshima were on the south end, pointing torward Tokyo on the north end of Japan
We planned a dozen atomic incidents leading up to ,and including Tokyo, but it only took 2
So what not (as Rwinger suggested) have started out in the E China sea, maybe an atoll or two first????
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again:again, what would you have done?
To my reading nagasaki & hiroshima were on the south end, pointing torward Tokyo on the north end of Japan
We planned a dozen atomic incidents leading up to ,and including Tokyo, but it only took 2
So what not (as Rwinger suggested) have started out in the E China sea, maybe an atoll or two first????
~S~
sure--we can't have any one die during a TOTAL warAll this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.
please prove it was dropped because of racismThe issue that isn't generally addressed is the likelyhood that the egg head scientists were pressuring the military to try out their new toy on civilians. The Germans were developing jet planes and coming close to nuclear weapons but for some reason the U.S. decided to drop the Bomb on civilians who lived in paper houses. The dirty little secret is the inherent racism that the U.S. still held toward the Yellow races. Nazis were like us even if they were monsters but the Japanese weren't. The victors write the history books and historians are always kind to democrat administrations so the fact that "give 'em hell Harry" was a rube bean counting senator who found himself president one morning in April 1945 and didn't have a clue and the Japanese were defeated and trying desperately to negotiate terms of surrender with Stalin, goes relatively unnoticed.
...if it was because of racism, then how do you explain the destruction/killing of the Germans/German cities??!!!!???The issue that isn't generally addressed is the likelyhood that the egg head scientists were pressuring the military to try out their new toy on civilians. The Germans were developing jet planes and coming close to nuclear weapons but for some reason the U.S. decided to drop the Bomb on civilians who lived in paper houses. The dirty little secret is the inherent racism that the U.S. still held toward the Yellow races. Nazis were like us even if they were monsters but the Japanese weren't. The victors write the history books and historians are always kind to democrat administrations so the fact that "give 'em hell Harry" was a rube bean counting senator who found himself president one morning in April 1945 and didn't have a clue and the Japanese were defeated and trying desperately to negotiate terms of surrender with Stalin, goes relatively unnoticed.
Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.
Great column on the subject.
The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org
January 2, 2019
Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.
Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.
As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.
The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
The issue that isn't generally addressed is the likelyhood that the egg head scientists were pressuring the military to try out their new toy on civilians. The Germans were developing jet planes and coming close to nuclear weapons but for some reason the U.S. decided to drop the Bomb on civilians who lived in paper houses. The dirty little secret is the inherent racism that the U.S. still held toward the Yellow races. Nazis were like us even if they were monsters but the Japanese weren't. The victors write the history books and historians are always kind to democrat administrations so the fact that "give 'em hell Harry" was a rube bean counting senator who found himself president one morning in April 1945 and didn't have a clue and the Japanese were defeated and trying desperately to negotiate terms of surrender with Stalin, goes relatively unnoticed.
sure--we can't have any one die during a TOTAL warAll this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.
as stated, we can't have ANY one die during a [ total ] warsure--we can't have any one die during a TOTAL warAll this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.
You WANT American soldiers to die? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.
Great column on the subject.
The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org
January 2, 2019
Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.
Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.
As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.
The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
The worst American value was using a weapon of mass destruction on a defenseless nation, ready to surrender.The best American value is that many Americans didn't die in the invasion of Japan.
We only had three bombs. One was used for testing, to see if it even worked and the other two for use in Japan, or wherever was necessary. It would have taken a minimum of six months to build another bomb much less ten.
try this>
U.S. Planned to Drop 12 Atomic Bombs on Japan
August 8, 1945, The USSR declared war on Japan.
intertesting history.....
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-USSR-agree-to-attack-Japan-on-August-8-1945
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