The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[RetiredGySgt]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Japan NEVER offered to surrender I have links to intercepts from the Japanese Government ALL they offered was a Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines. Where is your link to these supposed peace offerings?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The issue that isn't generally addressed is the likelyhood that the egg head scientists were pressuring the military to try out their new toy on civilians. The Germans were developing jet planes and coming close to nuclear weapons but for some reason the U.S. decided to drop the Bomb on civilians who lived in paper houses. The dirty little secret is the inherent racism that the U.S. still held toward the Yellow races. Nazis were like us even if they were monsters but the Japanese weren't. The victors write the history books and historians are always kind to democrat administrations so the fact that "give 'em hell Harry" was a rube bean counting senator who found himself president one morning in April 1945 and didn't have a clue and the Japanese were defeated and trying desperately to negotiate terms of surrender with Stalin, goes relatively unnoticed.

Germany SURRENDERED before we had a working A Bomb Numnuts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writes for the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousands cannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

yeah truman was a mass murderer who should have been tried like the nuremberg trials.the REAL history we were never taught in our corrupt school system is that japen offered to surrender and our government ignored them.

Once again proved an actual link to any ACTUAL peace offer made by Japan. I have a link to what they offered.... it was ceasefire and return to 41 start lines with no concessions in China.

 

[Unkotare]

Truman Library: U. S. Strategic Bombing Survey: The Effects of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, June 19, 1946. Truman Papers, President's Secretary's File. Atomic Bomb-Hiroshima.

 

[Unkotare]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Japan NEVER offered to surrender I have links to intercepts from the Japanese Government ALL they offered was a Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines. Where is your link to these supposed peace offerings?

What a sad, stupid old fool.

Chicago Tribune History

 

[gipper]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

 

[harmonica]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

 

[gipper]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Total war IS MASS MURDER. YES? NO?

 

[harmonica]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Total war IS MASS MURDER. YES? NO?

you argue with emotion and without facts

 

[gipper]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Total war IS MASS MURDER. YES? NO?

you argue with emotion and without facts

That’s too funny. You think mass murdering innocent civilians is just emoting. I mean wtf. Just kill those bastards. The state says it’s okay.

 

[harmonica]

hindsight is 20/20

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Total war IS MASS MURDER. YES? NO?

you argue with emotion and without facts

That’s too funny. You think mass murdering innocent civilians is just emoting. I mean wtf. Just kill those bastards. The state says it’s okay.

...so was it ok to bomb/burn/incinerate/etc civilians at Tokyo, Dresden, and Hamburg, but not Hiroshima?

 

[gipper]

Yeah hindsight is required because no one knows incinerating women and children is f**king wrong. WTF!

what about Dresden and Hamburg?? was that wrong?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Total war IS MASS MURDER. YES? NO?

you argue with emotion and without facts

That’s too funny. You think mass murdering innocent civilians is just emoting. I mean wtf. Just kill those bastards. The state says it’s okay.

...so was it ok to bomb/burn/incinerate/etc civilians at Tokyo, Dresden, and Hamburg, but not Hiroshima?

You’re a bit slow. Take a guess?

 

[Markle]

You are not informed. Please cease and desist from posting in my thread.

The Japanese tried to surrender several times. FDR and Truman ignored them. FDR’s tyrannical unjust and terribly deadly dictate of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER, lead to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans and Japanese.

For this, FDR and Truman should burn in Hell for eternity.

Prove it, with a reliable source and link. You can't. So please, excuse yourself and go hide with the other USMB Troll Collection.

Already done. Many times. You just need to open your mind and eliminate your statist inclinations.

If the Japanese government’s requests for surrender is new to you, then you have to admit you are not informed.

Please show us your reliable source and link showing that Japan had offered unconditional surrender prior to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Markle]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Unconditional surrender only.

What happened after a CONDITIONAL surrender was accepted by Germany after WW-I?

 

[Markle]

yeah truman was a mass murderer who should have been tried like the nuremberg trials.the REAL history we were never taught in our corrupt school system is that japen offered to surrender and our government ignored them.

CONDITIONAL surrender. The only thing acceptable, as you know was UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.

Which part is not clear to you?

 

[gipper]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Unconditional surrender only.

What happened after a CONDITIONAL surrender was accepted by Germany after WW-I?

Is that your defense of total war? Mass murder civilians because unconditional surrender is the only acceptable statist option. Because Germany wasn’t TOTALLY destroyed in WWI, we had to mass murder them in WWII.

You might be a psychopath. Have you been tested?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Unconditional surrender only.

What happened after a CONDITIONAL surrender was accepted by Germany after WW-I?

Is that your defense of total war? Mass murder civilians because unconditional surrender is the only acceptable statist option. Because Germany wasn’t TOTALLY destroyed in WWI, we had to mass murder them in WWII.

You might be a psychopath. Have you been tested?

Start a world war, bad shit happens to you...…..

 

[gipper]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Unconditional surrender only.

What happened after a CONDITIONAL surrender was accepted by Germany after WW-I?

Is that your defense of total war? Mass murder civilians because unconditional surrender is the only acceptable statist option. Because Germany wasn’t TOTALLY destroyed in WWI, we had to mass murder them in WWII.

You might be a psychopath. Have you been tested?

Start a world war, bad shit happens to you...…..

...but only if you lose to the USA.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Unconditional surrender only.

What happened after a CONDITIONAL surrender was accepted by Germany after WW-I?

Is that your defense of total war? Mass murder civilians because unconditional surrender is the only acceptable statist option. Because Germany wasn’t TOTALLY destroyed in WWI, we had to mass murder them in WWII.

You might be a psychopath. Have you been tested?

Start a world war, bad shit happens to you...…..

...but only if you lose to the USA.

Germany and Japan haven't started any wars lately, have they?

 

[whitehall]

All this talk about the servicemen who might have died in a hypothetical invasion, but where is the outrage over the servicemen who DID die on Iwo and Okinawa? Both of those battles took place after the scumbag fdr ignored rather than explored the overtures for surrender that MacArthur had informed him of.

Japan NEVER offered to surrender I have links to intercepts from the Japanese Government ALL they offered was a Ceasefire and return to 41 start lines. Where is your link to these supposed peace offerings?

Do the links indicate that Japan was trying to negotiate with Stalin? Truman refused to even talk to the Japanese holdouts. The ironic thing was that the biggest issue for surrender negotiations was the preservation of the Japanese emperor which happened under MacArthur's reign anyway after we used the most barbarous weapon in history on civilians. The strategy of the time was to keep killing civilians and destroying infrastructure until the maniacs surrendered Contrast that with today's standards of holding a U.S. Seal for murder after he killed a terrorist bomb maker.