The truth on being saved.

[daws101]

false! you believe you have god's pov.
the scriptures are at best faulty reflections written by humans.

Hi Daws:
do you believe that "natural laws" are given by Nature/God/Life
just like the "laws of physics" and "laws of gravity" are not manmade?

Just because we use "manmade" languages of science and math to express
these inherent laws, does not mean they should be discounted as manmade.

Same with the scriptural or spiritual laws.

We did not "invent" human nature to be body/mind/spirit.

But if you look at ALL the world's religions, and yes even secular and civil laws,
these all REFLECT the same "trinity" or three levels of human experience and relations.

So these are "reflections" or "representations" of spiritual laws already in existence.

We did not make up the content of what these laws seek to represent.
We did write down and pass down the manmade systems of expressing the laws.

And you are right, these are not perfect.
The constitutional laws of the state did not perfectly express natural laws for
all humanity, and have had to be amended or interpreted broader than what was written.

Same with the Biblical laws, these are symbolic and cannot contain the whole of
universal laws for all humanity in one book. So it is written in symbolism to
represent the relationships between man and man, and between man and God or the collective level of all knowledge and truth. That can only be captured in analogies
so the Christians use Jesus to represent universal Justice and salvation for all humanity.

These systems are not perfect, but they strive to communicate what we can agree upon
of the truth we can understand and know. Not the whole of God's laws, because of course we can never contain all that in our limited human perception and language for these laws.

The content and spirit of the laws are universal.
The language and expression is relative, and limited to what we can write speak experience and understand in relations to each other and our perception of the collective whole. You are right this depends on our POV. it is the sum of all the individual POV that makes up the universal truth which God represents as the source of all life, laws, truth and knowledge.
None of us can ever contain all that. We are like volumes of books in a library, where each person contributes our understanding and experience to the collection, while the while is still greater than the sum of the parts.

Yours truly,
Emily

the law of gravity is physics.
physics and all other natural law are products of conditions . not the gift of sky fairies...
there is no proof for or against the existence of a god or gods...until there is ,I'll go with the facts..

 

[Avatar4321]

His lack of a physical body doesn't make him invisible. He can very much appear to some. Nor is the Holy Spirit invisible. He too can appear to us.

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

LOL......


its little wonder that it used to be illegal for people of certain professed religious beliefs to hold public office.

It would seem to be a matter of national security to not have people who can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy or a history book from a fairy tale to not be in any position of authority.

Imagine how fucked up things could get if they were?

Oh, wait a minute......nevermind.

So what your saying is we should institute laws to prevent you from political office? Ill pass. Laws that can be used against you can easily be changed to be used against me.

 

[daws101]

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

LOL......


its little wonder that it used to be illegal for people of certain professed religious beliefs to hold public office.

It would seem to be a matter of national security to not have people who can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy or a history book from a fairy tale to not be in any position of authority.

Imagine how fucked up things could get if they were?

Oh, wait a minute......nevermind.

So what your saying is we should institute laws to prevent you from political office? Ill pass. Laws that can be used against you can easily be changed to be used against me.

it's already been done your belief system was forever changed by the law making bigamy illegal..

 

[turzovka]

It also makes no sense that Jesus would die on a cross to pay for YOUR sins. No fucking sense at all. It would have been much better if he'd lived to a ripe old age like 900 and keep spreading his message with more magic tricks.

So according to you we are just an accident of "nature" floating on this ball somewhere in space. And when we die our time of existence is over forever?

So where does that leave you? Just kind of enjoying the trip for what it's worth and as long as it lasts, plus railing against those who believe in "invisible entities" and life after death?

If that is the case, your ways make no sense at all.

 

[daws101]

It also makes no sense that Jesus would die on a cross to pay for YOUR sins. No fucking sense at all. It would have been much better if he'd lived to a ripe old age like 900 and keep spreading his message with more magic tricks.

So according to you we are just an accident of "nature" floating on this ball somewhere in space. And when we die our time of existence is over forever?

So where does that leave you? Just kind of enjoying the trip for what it's worth and as long as it lasts, plus railing against those who believe in "invisible entities" and life after death?

If that is the case, your ways make no sense at all.

really? what hot sauce say makes perfect sense...wit a couple of major exceptions.
we are not accidental.we are the products of conditions.there is no proof that these conditions are brought about by any supernatural means.
as to death everything dies...there is also no evidence that "we" go anywhere.
however the energy that powers does not die it changes form..
there is no evidence that this energy is sentient..

 

[Avatar4321]

His lack of a physical body doesn't make him invisible. He can very much appear to some. Nor is the Holy Spirit invisible. He too can appear to us.

Your god is invisible. Mormons' planet kolob is also invisible, so are all the other deities in mormonism. So are the golden plates invisible, ancient submarines...

So you're just going to continue claiming everything is invisible despite people seeing things all the time.

In other words, everything is invisible because you say so. That isn't exactly the most persuasive argument out there.

But you haven't seen anything and you don't believe when other people have. I get that. Much easier to say everything is invisible and not try to learn for yourself then put in the effort and seek out the Lord. Especially when you might have to change your life when you find out He is real.

Regardless, the Holy Spirit is real. And He is more than happy to share the truth of all things with anyone who seeks such knowledge from Him. But you get that knowledge on His terms, not on yours.

 

[Avatar4321]

It also makes no sense that Jesus would die on a cross to pay for YOUR sins. No fucking sense at all. It would have been much better if he'd lived to a ripe old age like 900 and keep spreading his message with more magic tricks.

It makes perfect sense if you study the issue and realize why.

There are two obstacles that prevent us from becoming like God. Sin and death. We could likewise call them spiritual and physical death.

You see, God gives commandments. Each commandment has a penalty. And since every human being messes up, the results become sin and death on all of us. If God is to be honest and just, the penalty must occur.

But how then could God also be merciful? The only way mercy can be provided for us is if we have a third party involve. A Mediator. Someone willing to take the punishment so that we can recieve mercy. It's the only way for Justice and Mercy to prevail.

If the Atonement wasn't performed and instead God did it your way and had Jesus live to 900 years old and continue to perform "magic tricks" than it wouldn't matter how many magic tricks were performed or how long He lived, we would have no means to recieve mercy. We would have to be sentenced according to Eternal Justice.

There is nothing we can do by ourselves to overcome sin or death. Unless someone is willing to voluntarily take the punishment for us, we have to face it ourselves.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

LOL......


its little wonder that it used to be illegal for people of certain professed religious beliefs to hold public office.

It would seem to be a matter of national security to not have people who can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy or a history book from a fairy tale to not be in any position of authority.

Imagine how fucked up things could get if they were?

Oh, wait a minute......nevermind.

So what your saying is we should institute laws to prevent you from political office? Ill pass. Laws that can be used against you can easily be changed to be used against me.

No, I am saying there should be some discernment over who is elected to public office entrusted to uphold the rights of everyone.

Lets face it if a public official can't tell the difference between something as important as one unequaled God and three coequal gods how likely are they to be right about anything less important?

And what if they have their bags packed and ready to be taken up into the sky literally to meet Jesus in the clouds any minute to rule the earth and watch the wicked unbelievers below burn in flames forever?

How likely are they to be sane?

 

[daws101]

His lack of a physical body doesn't make him invisible. He can very much appear to some. Nor is the Holy Spirit invisible. He too can appear to us.

Your god is invisible. Mormons' planet kolob is also invisible, so are all the other deities in mormonism. So are the golden plates invisible, ancient submarines...

So you're just going to continue claiming everything is invisible despite people seeing things all the time.

In other words, everything is invisible because you say so. That isn't exactly the most persuasive argument out there.

But you haven't seen anything and you don't believe when other people have. I get that. Much easier to say everything is invisible and not try to learn for yourself then put in the effort and seek out the Lord. Especially when you might have to change your life when you find out He is real.

Regardless, the Holy Spirit is real. And He is more than happy to share the truth of all things with anyone who seeks such knowledge from Him. But you get that knowledge on His terms, not on yours.

that would be people claiming to see things all the time..religious hallucinations no matter what the imagined cause might be are just as real to the person experiencing them as any real life experience is..

 

[hobelim]

Your god is invisible. Mormons' planet kolob is also invisible, so are all the other deities in mormonism. So are the golden plates invisible, ancient submarines...

So you're just going to continue claiming everything is invisible despite people seeing things all the time.

In other words, everything is invisible because you say so. That isn't exactly the most persuasive argument out there.

But you haven't seen anything and you don't believe when other people have. I get that. Much easier to say everything is invisible and not try to learn for yourself then put in the effort and seek out the Lord. Especially when you might have to change your life when you find out He is real.

Regardless, the Holy Spirit is real. And He is more than happy to share the truth of all things with anyone who seeks such knowledge from Him. But you get that knowledge on His terms, not on yours.

that would be people claiming to see things all the time..religious hallucinations no matter what the imagined cause might be are just as real to the person experiencing them as any real life experience is..

except that it is not.

Could you imagine the long term effects of thinking that any thought that arises in your own mind is either evil and of the devil or divine and of the Holy Spirit without having any way to distinguish between true and false and good and evil because their mind has been thoroughly divided, contaminated, confused and rendered useless?.

loonyville is not paradise even if one believes....

 

[daws101]

So you're just going to continue claiming everything is invisible despite people seeing things all the time.

In other words, everything is invisible because you say so. That isn't exactly the most persuasive argument out there.

But you haven't seen anything and you don't believe when other people have. I get that. Much easier to say everything is invisible and not try to learn for yourself then put in the effort and seek out the Lord. Especially when you might have to change your life when you find out He is real.

Regardless, the Holy Spirit is real. And He is more than happy to share the truth of all things with anyone who seeks such knowledge from Him. But you get that knowledge on His terms, not on yours.

that would be people claiming to see things all the time..religious hallucinations no matter what the imagined cause might be are just as real to the person experiencing them as any real life experience is..

except that it is not.

Could you imagine the long term effects of thinking that any thought that arises in your own mind is either evil and of the devil or divine and of the Holy Spirit without having any way to distinguish between true and false and good and evil because their mind has been thoroughly divided, contaminated, confused and rendered useless?.

loonyville is not paradise even if one believes....

don't get me wrong..I agree with you.
I'm not talking about the fact but the effect...so called normal people are no less prone to hallucinations as the mentally ill.
btw for you believers I'm not say ALL religious people are mentally ill.
on the other hand many religious people are more susceptible to suggestion than non believers.

 

[kjw47]

His lack of a physical body doesn't make him invisible. He can very much appear to some. Nor is the Holy Spirit invisible. He too can appear to us.

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

Gods word teaches Jesus was raised in a spirit body--No physical body can walk through walls. He could appear in a physical body when he wanted to.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No it doesn't. He walked, sang, cooked, ate, had palms to touch, a mouth and vocal chords to speak with....
I can explain dimensions to you, but I can't make you understand them.

 

[daws101]

His lack of a physical body doesn't make him invisible. He can very much appear to some. Nor is the Holy Spirit invisible. He too can appear to us.

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

Gods word teaches Jesus was raised in a spirit body--No physical body can walk through walls. He could appear in a physical body when he wanted to.

what bible are you reading?
the L ron hubbard version ?

 

[kjw47]

Jesus has a physical body and was still able to walk through walls.

These beings have power.

Gods word teaches Jesus was raised in a spirit body--No physical body can walk through walls. He could appear in a physical body when he wanted to.

what bible are you reading?
the L ron hubbard version ?

Outside the tomb--Mary didn't recognize Jesus to start with, he was not in his dead body at that point--he was not in the flesh while passing through a door. He showed Thomas so he would believe. Jesus is The king of kings--mighty spirit being--not a being a little lower than the angels. Your teachers are sadly mistaken.

 

[daws101]

Gods word teaches Jesus was raised in a spirit body--No physical body can walk through walls. He could appear in a physical body when he wanted to.

what bible are you reading?
the L ron hubbard version ?

Outside the tomb--Mary didn't recognize Jesus to start with, he was not in his dead body at that point--he was not in the flesh while passing through a door. He showed Thomas so he would believe. Jesus is The king of kings--mighty spirit being--not a being a little lower than the angels. Your teachers are sadly mistaken.

the who rolled away the stone?
in your version of events it was unnecessary!
you did know there are about ten different versions of christ's Resurrection..
don't you folks read your own shit?