The Unenforceability of abortion bans

[Big Bend Texas]

Um, yeah, guy I would understand why you wouldn't want to own your misogynistic views...

You continue fabricating bullshit. Women, tens of millions of women share the same view.

 

[JoeB131]

No you haven't. From the moment the first division is complete you have a new human being.

With the completion of the 2nd that human being has it's own unique DNA separate and apart from either parent.

Except 2/3rds of zygotes never attach to the uterine wall.
And 20% of pregnancies are miscarriages.

We don't hold funerals for tampons or medical waste containers.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So hypothetically, you have a deep red state with a blue city in the middle of it. Let's say Austin in Texas or Miami in Florida. And in that deep blue city, you have an OB/GYN who is performing abortions and calling them "pelvic exams". Which is fine, most of the people in that city are fine with a woman's right to choose. He's easily elected for NOT pursuing foolish abortion cases.

That's why our state AG's can step in when officials at the local level refuse to enforce the laws of the state.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Except 2/3rds of zygotes never attach to the uterine wall.
And 20% of pregnancies are miscarriages.

We don't hold funerals for tampons or medical waste containers.

Those lives are ending naturally, usually because of defect or incompatibility with the womb.

How people deal with those losses is their own business.

 

[JoeB131]

ou continue fabricating bullshit. Women, tens of millions of women share the same view.

In the words of George Carlin, you ever notice women who are against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want to fuck?

 

[JoeB131]

That's why our state AG's can step in when officials at the local level refuse to enforce the laws of the state.

I guess... Good luck with that... they'd probably have just as hard a time getting a conviction in a city full of Blue Voters...

Those lives are ending naturally, usually because of defect or incompatibility with the womb.

How people deal with those losses is their own business.

I agree.

And how a woman deals with an unwanted pregnancy is HER business.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And how a woman deals with an unwanted pregnancy is HER business.

Protecting the innocent is everybody's business as stated in our DOI and Constitution.

 

[MINDLESS]

Over half of all abortions are done with abortion pills. With the new bans in Red States, that number will increase

Not much Red States can do stop these pills from being shipped into their states.
I also envision “abortion tourism” with low priced buses taking patients for “medical treatment” in other states

YOU WANT A JOB DRIVING A BUS?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Not much Red States can do stop these pills from being shipped into their states

Actually they can make trafficking, prescribing, or possessing them a felony.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually they can make trafficking, prescribing, or possessing them a felony.

Because that worked so well with Pot, Heroin, Cocaine, Meth....

 

[JoeB131]

Protecting the innocent is everybody's business as stated in our DOI and Constitution.

Globby the Fetus isn't a person.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Yes, if your policies were in force, we'd have MORE abused children.

Murdering a child is pretty much the ultimate, final form of abuse. And that is exactly what you are defending.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort.[I 16][I 17] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s.[I 18]

Nothing compared to the violence that abortion providers inflict on innocent children—thousands every day.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A fetus isn't human…

Globby the Fetus isn't a person.

No matter how many times you repeat that lie, it will never be true.

 

[Mashmont]

The biggest problem I see with those on the anti-abortion side is that they never tell you how they are going to enforce a ban on abortion.

Lest, we forget, the main reason why the Court (including 5 Republicans) voted to end abortion laws in the US is because they were being routinely ignored by women and their health care providers. The court was merely recognizing the reality the prudes failed to admit.

If anyone doubts this, we only need to look at the birth rates for the 1970's.

Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year

The following table shows the number of live births and the birth rate in the United States between 1910 and...

www.infoplease.com

1970​	3,731,386​	18.4​
1971​	3,555,970​	17.2​
1972​	3,258,411​	15.6​
1973​	3,136,965​	14.9​
1974​	3,159,958​	14.9​
1975​	3,144,198​	14.8​
1976​	3,167,788​	14.8​

There was no sudden drop in the live birth rate because abortions were now available. In fact, it leveled off in 1973.

Why? Because abortion laws were being routinely ignored. Despite all the horror stories told by the abortion rights side about coat hangers and Lysol, most women were ending unwanted pregnancies in the comfort of their OB/GYN's office. Women were never arrested for having abortions, and providers were rarely prosecuted unless some kind of negligence that injured the women was involved

So you get the laws on the books you want in half the country, what happens? Abortions will simply move from abortion clinics back to OB/GYN offices.

if anything, an abortion ban will be harder to enforce in 2022 than in 1973, because more states WILL keep it legal now, because it will be much easier to cross state lines, and because the option of pharmaceutical abortions will be available.

Laws only really work when you have universal agreement there should be a law. If you don't, police won't investigate, prosecutors won't file charges, and juries won't convict.

The first prosecution for a woman for having an abortion will be a lightening rod of unpopularity. The only time I remember Trump ever backing down from saying something really stupid ws when he said that women should be punished for having abortions, and then immediately reversing himself.

Donald Trump retracts call for women who have abortions to be 'punished'

Republican frontrunner tells MSNBC there needs to be ‘some form of punishment’ for women, though he later disavowed controversial remarks

www.theguardian.com

This is stupid. There are many reasons for birth rate growth or decline.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Um, yeah, guy I would understand why you wouldn't want to own your misogynistic views...

Says the pathetic incel who is almost sixty year old and never married, who thinks and speaks of marriageable women as whores out to get half its shit.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

In the words of George Carlin, you ever notice women who are against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want to fuck?

 

[JoeB131]

Murdering a child is pretty much the ultimate, final form of abuse. And that is exactly what you are defending.

Except fetuses aren't children. Fetuses at 8 weeks aren't even capable of feeling pain.

Nothing compared to the violence that abortion providers inflict on innocent children—thousands every day.

So now you are defending terrorists who murder doctors and bomb clinics?

No matter how many times you repeat that lie, it will never be true.

Except it's true 629,898 times in 2019... that's 629,898 little globbies sucked into sinks, and not a one of them was charged as a murder. Imagine that.

who is almost sixty year old and never married, who thinks and speaks of marriageable women as whores out to get half its shit.

Yes, this amazing thing.... you can get laid without signing over half your property to please an imaginary sky fairy.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

A fetus isn't human and most women don't go into sex expecting to make a baby.

It always amazes me how the most ignorant on any subject are usually the loudest.

A human fetus is by definition "human".

Any woman having sex that doesn't realize pregnancy is a possible consequence of having sex should probably be sterilized because she's too stupid to live and reproduce.

Any offspring she produces will likely bring the average IQ in the US down.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Except fetuses aren't children. Fetuses at 8 weeks aren't even capable of feeling pain.

Neither is a 20 year old under anesthetic, is he/she still a human?

A child is a young human being, born or not yet born.