The unspoken moral dilemma of socialists

[jc456]

And only a tiny portion of your taxes goes to social programs for the poor.

False.

Also petty marginalization of the problem.

The vast majority of US government spending goes into social services, welfare, and healthcare.

actually entitlements.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I believe this happens because socialists have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

WTF? lol

You're on the bottom....:lo.:

I like public education. Why do you want to end it?

Why do you hate education choice?

Why do you want poor kids to go without an education?

^ turn the trick. It is a liberal technique. Watch how NYCarb twists a discussion into an accusation:

Comment by poster>Socialism doesn't work.
Liberal> Then you must you hate public education? You hate education. Why don't you want poor kids to get an education? You racist bigot that hates poor kids and education. Why do you hate children? Could it be because you rape them? Why do you rape little children? Someone should kill you because you rape children. Hey guess what folks, XXXXX is a capitalist pedophile who rapes children. He admitted it somewhere on the board...

It is the same MO that turns someone who believes we should adhere to our immigration laws, into RACIST MURDERING BIGOT HATER WHO HAS PROBABLY KILLED SOME NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WHITE.

We need to just "power through" their mundane rhetoric.

 

[AntonToo]

True capitalism is void of government.

Well then there is no true capitalism and never will be, so this discussion is moot any way.

 

[Onyx]

Well then there is no true capitalism, right?

There most certainly is.

Just without the state.

 

[AntonToo]

Well then there is no true capitalism, right?

There most certainly is.

Just without the state.

There is...where?

 

[Onyx]

There is...where?

I'll try to be extra clear, just for your sake.

Theoretically there is.

 

[AntonToo]

There is...where?

I'll try to be extra clear, just for your sake.

Theoretically there is.

But ACTUALLY there isn't.

I like to deal with reality, how about you?

 

[Onyx]

But ACTUALLY there isn't.

I like to deal with reality, how about you?

Yes there ACTUALLY is.

Me too.

 

[AntonToo]

But ACTUALLY there isn't.

I like to deal with reality, how about you?

Yes there actually is.

Me too.

Which brings us again to a question - Where?

The answer is no-where because no functioning economy of any significant size can exist without governmental arbitration and enforcement between participants.

That's reality, what you are saying is waaaaayy over-simplistic ideology.

 

[Onyx]

Which brings us again to a question - Where?

The black market.

The answer is no-where because no functioning economy of any significant size can exist without governmental arbitration and enforcement between participants.

Back that argument up, would you?

Government "arbitration" limits capitalism, and without enforcement of the markets, capitalism would still stand. You should justify why you cling to that false belief.

Define a functioning economy too.

Also you are conflating governments with states. Voluntary participation within governing institutions are still capitalistic, as long as that participation is still based on completely voluntary principals.

 

[AntonToo]

Back that argument up, would you?

I did, by pointing out that capitalism you speak of is, as you yourself admit - is purely theoretical.

It doesn't exist. Not because nobody has ever thought of your super simple and elegant solution to economy, it's because IT'S UNREALISTIC BS THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK.

You remind me of "true socialists" in this way.

 

[Onyx]

Back that argument up, would you?

I did, by pointing out that capitalism you speak of is, as you yourself admit - is purely theoretical.

Maybe I was incorrect.

What state organization is governing over the black market?

Capital also existed in the CNT and Free Territory, although many of the communities in the free territory rejected it.

It doesn't exist. Not because nobody has ever thought of your super simple and elegant solution to economy, it's because IT'S UNREALISTIC BS THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK.

False.

It is because states have played population control for 5000 years, and hardly anybody in that time has ever been free, and therefore could not exercise their practices and beliefs at liberty.

 

[Onyx]

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You remind me of "true socialists" in this way.

True socialism is the revolutionary transitional government that guides the population towards communism, or in other words, an intermediary transitional state.

 

[boilermaker55]

When you can prove your foolish statement with facts and not opinion. Then!

Take a look at your foolish idiotic statement and opinion.

Just did.

Tell me why it is foolish and idiotic, and I will explain to you why it is not.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is...where?

I'll try to be extra clear, just for your sake.

Theoretically there is.

But ACTUALLY there isn't.

I like to deal with reality, how about you?

Capitalism in action:
I put out the money to start a small cafe. People pay me to eat in my establish because the food is delicious. I employ local workers to help me serve the public. I pay them from the proceeds of my business, and I pay myself. We then take that money and fill our tanks with gas at the station down the block. And we buy gifts from the Hallmark store across the street. We shop at the local supermarket. Those businesses pay their employees with the money they received. Then those people come to my cafe to enjoy a good meal... It works perfectly for all involved.

 

[owebo]

trump conservative? really? never in his life. you are truly a loser.

Actually I believe he is a liberal with a Republican name tag.

Yet the liberals with republican name tags despise Trump.....now what??

 

[Little-Acorn]

True capitalism is void of government.

Nope.

Govt has a role in capitalism: Prosecuting theft, coercion, enforcing contracts etc.

 

[Onyx]

Govt has a role in capitalism: Prosecuting theft, coercion, enforcing contracts etc.

Where in the definition of capitalism are the words "State intervention?"

The very nature of capitalism is that it operates independently of the state.

 

[owebo]

True capitalism is void of government.

Nope.

Govt has a role in capitalism: Prosecuting theft, coercion, enforcing contracts etc.

I agree, True capitalism cannot exist without government....

 

[Wry Catcher]

I believe this happens because liberals have a bad track record of creating good environmental, charitable, and international NGO groups that have no capacity for a robin hood complex.

I agree with the graphic however, I disagree with your analysis...

It happens because leviathan must be served.....As a conservative, we know this and constantly struggle to reduce the size of .gov, in hopes of choking the life out of leviathan.....

Democrats serve leviathan and as such, if feeds from and grows because of them....

If your reference is to Hobbes book, I agree with the concept of a Social Contract and disagree absolutely with the concept of an absolute Sovereign.