The US could Save $5.6B a year if it Switched from Coal to Solar – study

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ironically, me teaching you that converting photons into electricity should produce an incremental cooling effect at solar farms is based upon the FLoT.

Ironically, you claimed that cooled the planet. Maybe you need to reread the FLoT?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Does it stop solar farms from creating an incremental cooling effect when they convert photons into electricity?

Incremental? Who cares? Unless you're afraid that'll cause a localized glacier?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Were going to save a lot more by eliminating black lung disease caused by coal mining. Plus diseases affecting large portions of the US population, including asthma, lung cancer, heart disease, and stroke due to burning coal. Those medical bills are more expensive than the coal industry.

How many new cases of black lung per year?

 

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Ironically, you claimed that cooled the planet. Maybe you need to reread the FLoT?

So you believe a cooling planet violates the FLoT? That's weird.

 

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Incremental? Who cares? Unless you're afraid that'll cause a localized glacier?

We're in an ice age, dummy. Everyone should care.

Yes, incremental to using fossil fuels. It's only been explained to you about a hundred times.

 

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These greenies will do almost anything to protect their pet technologies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I feel like Todd has really made progress today.

If you say so, Jared.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you believe a cooling planet violates the FLoT? That's weird.

You believe solar panels cool the planet.

 

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If you say so, Jared.

I do, Mona.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We're in an ice age, dummy. Everyone should care.

Yes, incremental to using fossil fuels. It's only been explained to you about a hundred times.

No mention of fossil fuels.........or waste heat.

Weird.

 

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You believe solar panels cool the planet.

That all depends upon how much solar is installed. Generating electricity from solar radiation at scale is not without consequences. Especially when the present temperature is a couple degrees above the threshold for extensive continental glaciation in the northern hemisphere.

 

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No mention of fossil fuels.........or waste heat.

Weird.

Hadn't gotten to it yet. Everything in due time. Much like me teaching you that converting photons into electricity causes an incremental cooling effect at solar farms. That took time but it was worth it.

 

[Paracetamol63]

You believe solar panels cool the planet.

Locally they seem to do just that.

"...have you ever wondered if converting all that solar energy into electricity is affecting the local environment

"The answer is yes, at least in arid ecosystems, according to a team of researchers at the UK’s Lancaster University, Ludong University in China, and the University of California Davis in the US. They studied two large solar farms – one in California and the other in China’s Qinghai province – and found that the facilities were cooler than their surroundings. This was based on satellite temperature observations taken before and after the installation of solar panels and, in the case of the California facility, measurements taken on the ground."

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Now, obviously closing the entire "energy usage" loop of any given photon that strikes earth would probably find that, in the long haul, the energy that was created by the solar panel (which acted to cool the ground beneath) works out to be the amount that would have ultimately been added to earth's heat budget overall is a more complex conversation. But so far it does look like solar farms result in some cooling. Which makes sense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That all depends upon how much solar is installed. Generating electricity from solar radiation at scale is not without consequences. Especially when the present temperature is a couple degrees above the threshold for extensive continental glaciation in the northern hemisphere.

That all depends upon how much solar is installed

Right. Because moving 100 watts doesn't cause an ice age.

What about 1,000,000 watts. 1,000,000,000 watts?

What's the threshold?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hadn't gotten to it yet. Everything in due time. Much like me teaching you that converting photons into electricity causes an incremental cooling effect at solar farms. That took time but it was worth it.

When are you going to teach me what happens because of the much lower albedo of the panels?

 

[Paracetamol63]

These greenies will do almost anything to protect their pet technologies.

To be quite fair many on the opposing side defend fossil fuels as if there was no other alternative that could possibly be developed.

Technology increases. Sometimes we need a push to get it going as fast as it is needed. We can't rely on "market forces" to fix every problem since some problems are moving "Faster" than the market does.

If we had to rely on the "free market" to build the atomic bomb, most of our dad's and grandads would have died in Japan in the 40's. And we'd still be a few years out on it. If we had to rely on the "free market" to ensure all Americans have access to electricity there would be a lot of folks in the Tennessee Valley who still lived in areas that were nowhere near electrical powerlines. OR it would have taken decades longer.

Unfortuantely with climate change the change is happening fast enough (that's the whole of the problem, actually is the RATE of change) so free market fixes are probably not going to save us in the long haul.

If one is of the opinion that all of science is flawed and climate change isn't real then I suppose none of this makes sense. But if one actually reads scientists it makes it more important now than ever before.

 

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When are you going to teach me what happens because of the much lower albedo of the panels?

You've already acknowledged the incremental cooling effect at solar farms due to photons being converted into electricity.

So what's your point? Are you changing your mind again?

 

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Right. Because moving 100 watts doesn't cause an ice age.

How about you and I having a 1v1 bull ring discussion on it?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've already acknowledged the incremental cooling effect at solar farms due to photons being converted into electricity.

So what's your point? Are you changing your mind again?

Right. But what happens to the extra heat retained because of the lower albedo?

You're not forgetting the entire equation again, are you? Your math is really weak.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How about you and I having a 1v1 bull ring discussion on it?

Set it up.