The US Sun: 4 people arrested for intentionally starting wild fires.

[iceberg]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

warm temps don't seem to be starting fires in mexico or canada either. how is it GLOBAL warming is just picking on our western states?

Yeah, funny how that works, ain't it. Wildfires are a requirement for much of the flora in the western USA. It is an integral part of the lifecycles of the forest.

Man is responsible, but not globull warming, which happens naturally all of the time. California has endured droughts that lasted for well over 100 years at a time. Funny how these progressives ignore real science for made up fiction.

They seem to think denial is a form of changing things.

 

[westwall]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

warm temps don't seem to be starting fires in mexico or canada either. how is it GLOBAL warming is just picking on our western states?

Yeah, funny how that works, ain't it. Wildfires are a requirement for much of the flora in the western USA. It is an integral part of the lifecycles of the forest.

Man is responsible, but not globull warming, which happens naturally all of the time. California has endured droughts that lasted for well over 100 years at a time. Funny how these progressives ignore real science for made up fiction.

They seem to think denial is a form of changing things.

Yup. It's a propaganda thing.

 

[candycorn]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

The huge fires are raging in red states too--just not near population centers. Your blob never talks about that. Its not mis-management. It's fire season coupled with changing weather that's resulted in drier than normal conditions.

 

[westwall]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

The huge fires are raging in red states too--just not near population centers. Your blob never talks about that. Its not mis-management. It's fire season coupled with changing weather that's resulted in drier than normal conditions.

I have never claimed it is a red/blue state issue. It is simply a result of a policy to stop all fires no matter what. We figured out about 30 years ago that that is not good for the forests.

Add to that the fact that it is SUMMER, and yeah, it's hot and dry. Duh. It's NORMAL.

 

[candycorn]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

The huge fires are raging in red states too--just not near population centers. Your blob never talks about that. Its not mis-management. It's fire season coupled with changing weather that's resulted in drier than normal conditions.

I have never claimed it is a red/blue state issue. It is simply a result of a policy to stop all fires no matter what. We figured out about 30 years ago that that is not good for the forests.

Add to that the fact that it is SUMMER, and yeah, it's hot and dry. Duh. It's NORMAL.

You haven't noticed an increase in the severity and regularity of natural disasters? I'm not surprised.

 

[westwall]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

The huge fires are raging in red states too--just not near population centers. Your blob never talks about that. Its not mis-management. It's fire season coupled with changing weather that's resulted in drier than normal conditions.

I have never claimed it is a red/blue state issue. It is simply a result of a policy to stop all fires no matter what. We figured out about 30 years ago that that is not good for the forests.

Add to that the fact that it is SUMMER, and yeah, it's hot and dry. Duh. It's NORMAL.

You haven't noticed an increase in the severity and regularity of natural disasters? I'm not surprised.

That's because there has been none. The forest fires are worse because instead of sagebrush at 4 feet high, it is now 30 feet high.

But there is no increase in frequency. In fact, compared to the 1950's the frequency is less.

 

[Coyote]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

Currently, there are 94 large wildfires burning out west: National Interagency Fire Center

According to this: Facts + Statistics: Wildfires | III
As many as 90 percent of wildland fires in the United States are caused by people, according to the U.S. Department of Interior. Some human-caused fires result from campfires left unattended, the burning of debris, downed power lines, negligently discarded cigarettes and intentional acts of arson. The remaining 10 percent are started by lightning or lava.

And, according to this: Study Shows 84% of Wildfires Caused by Humans
Rice reports that debris burning starts the most human-caused fires, at 29 percent, with arson the cause of 21 percent of fires. Equipment use causes 11 percent of fires, while campfires and children playing with fireworks or matches each cause 5 percent of fires. The Fourth of July, predictably, is the biggest day for wildfires, with 7,762 fires ignited on that date over the 21-year study period.


They are certainly not all arson.

 

[Coyote]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

The huge fires are raging in red states too--just not near population centers. Your blob never talks about that. Its not mis-management. It's fire season coupled with changing weather that's resulted in drier than normal conditions.

I have never claimed it is a red/blue state issue. It is simply a result of a policy to stop all fires no matter what. We figured out about 30 years ago that that is not good for the forests.

Add to that the fact that it is SUMMER, and yeah, it's hot and dry. Duh. It's NORMAL.

You haven't noticed an increase in the severity and regularity of natural disasters? I'm not surprised.

That's because there has been none. The forest fires are worse because instead of sagebrush at 4 feet high, it is now 30 feet high.

But there is no increase in frequency. In fact, compared to the 1950's the frequency is less.

Study Shows 84% of Wildfires Caused by Humans

Over the last 21 years, debris burning, arson and campfires have combined with climate change to make the fire season much longer

www.smithsonianmag.com

Thomas Swetnam, professor emeritus at the University of Arizona who studies forest fires, tells Doyle Rice at USA Today that it’s not necessarily the case that more people are maliciously setting fires or that Smokey Bear has failed in his mission to educate the public. Instead, Swetnam says that climate change is the biggest driver of increased fires. An increase in drought, fuel buildup in unburned forests, earlier springs and higher temperatures are all contributing to more combustible forests. So the same actions that might have caused a small, easily extinguished fire decades ago are now creating dangerous infernos.

 

[Coyote]

Its interesting that these arsonists aren't proud boys or boogaloos, or any of the other, mostly fictitious boogeymen that the libs are always demonizing. Instead, they are just garden variety libs and Biden supporters.

Prove it.

good lord. just go read the names of those arrested and look at their political activity in the last 6 months.

Ok. Show us. Links please.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Here's the first one.

michael-bakkela

Methhead, transient, criminal.

Tell me about his political ties.

 

[iceberg]

Its interesting that these arsonists aren't proud boys or boogaloos, or any of the other, mostly fictitious boogeymen that the libs are always demonizing. Instead, they are just garden variety libs and Biden supporters.

Prove it.

good lord. just go read the names of those arrested and look at their political activity in the last 6 months.

Ok. Show us. Links please.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Here's the first one.

michael-bakkela

Methhead, transient, criminal.

Tell me about his political ties.

let's be clear first...

you are no longer claiming global warming as an issue? I don't want to Chase around your side shows as we pin this down.

and 2 were attending BLM rallies as well for quite some time.

unchecked violence creates more violence.

 

[candycorn]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

Currently, there are 94 large wildfires burning out west: National Interagency Fire Center

According to this: Facts + Statistics: Wildfires | III
As many as 90 percent of wildland fires in the United States are caused by people, according to the U.S. Department of Interior. Some human-caused fires result from campfires left unattended, the burning of debris, downed power lines, negligently discarded cigarettes and intentional acts of arson. The remaining 10 percent are started by lightning or lava.

And, according to this: Study Shows 84% of Wildfires Caused by Humans
Rice reports that debris burning starts the most human-caused fires, at 29 percent, with arson the cause of 21 percent of fires. Equipment use causes 11 percent of fires, while campfires and children playing with fireworks or matches each cause 5 percent of fires. The Fourth of July, predictably, is the biggest day for wildfires, with 7,762 fires ignited on that date over the 21-year study period.


They are certainly not all arson.

You're trying to introduce nuance. Blob supporters don't do nuance.

 

[Coyote]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

Currently, there are 94 large wildfires burning out west: National Interagency Fire Center

According to this: Facts + Statistics: Wildfires | III
As many as 90 percent of wildland fires in the United States are caused by people, according to the U.S. Department of Interior. Some human-caused fires result from campfires left unattended, the burning of debris, downed power lines, negligently discarded cigarettes and intentional acts of arson. The remaining 10 percent are started by lightning or lava.

And, according to this: Study Shows 84% of Wildfires Caused by Humans
Rice reports that debris burning starts the most human-caused fires, at 29 percent, with arson the cause of 21 percent of fires. Equipment use causes 11 percent of fires, while campfires and children playing with fireworks or matches each cause 5 percent of fires. The Fourth of July, predictably, is the biggest day for wildfires, with 7,762 fires ignited on that date over the 21-year study period.


They are certainly not all arson.

You're trying to introduce nuance. Blob supporters don't do nuance.

Ya...I keep forgetting...

 

[iceberg]

Four people arrested for INTENTIONALLY starting blazes as wildfires rage

FOUR people have now been arrested on the West Coast for deliberately starting blazes as wildfires rage. Cops detained two men in Washington, a man in Oregon and a woman in California as the desper…

www.the-sun.com

They even look like A-holes

They need some hard time. People have died haven't they? Almost makes one wonder why they would do so. Paid by some developer directly or in a round about way? I imagine it's cheaper to clear trees that aren't there than those that are, if, there was any such intention.

Some are blaming it on global warming for another cash grab, when it's clear as was to be expected, it was man man.

Some are completely mis-understanding what is being said. That would be you.

Global warming isn't causing the fires. Its contributing to the destruction. In some cases, the more violent thunderstorms are responsible as well. However, those that blame GW for the thunder/lightning storms seem to forget we had these storms for ever. Now, the dryness from perhaps the hottest years on record...that is global warming.

NASA Says 2020 Tied for Hottest Year on Record

Meanwhile NOAA put the year just behind 2016 in the charts, but it was remarkably hot by either agency’s measure

www.scientificamerican.com

No, it isn't. These huge fires are the result of a century of forest mismanagement. Period.

That's not entirely true.

Some of the fires started in grasslands, which spread very very rapidly.

In California's North Complex Fire, currently the state's 10th largest fire, it spread through forest where many of the trees had either died or been severely weakened by a long drought (2011 - 2017).

There are a variety of factors at fault here including abnormally dry conditions and forest management that allows for a large accumulation of undergrowth. Controlled burns might help with some but not in such dangerously dry conditions or areas with large amounts of dead timber where it could get out of control.

Those fires are almost certainly arson. Warm temps don't cause fires. They have to have an origin.

The mismanagement is a century long disaster in motion. Of course you can't fix a century worth of mismanagement in a year.

It will take at least a decade to get the forest under control. It sure would be nice if these so called environmental groups would help with that instead of fighting every effort tooth and nail.

Currently, there are 94 large wildfires burning out west: National Interagency Fire Center

According to this: Facts + Statistics: Wildfires | III
As many as 90 percent of wildland fires in the United States are caused by people, according to the U.S. Department of Interior. Some human-caused fires result from campfires left unattended, the burning of debris, downed power lines, negligently discarded cigarettes and intentional acts of arson. The remaining 10 percent are started by lightning or lava.

And, according to this: Study Shows 84% of Wildfires Caused by Humans
Rice reports that debris burning starts the most human-caused fires, at 29 percent, with arson the cause of 21 percent of fires. Equipment use causes 11 percent of fires, while campfires and children playing with fireworks or matches each cause 5 percent of fires. The Fourth of July, predictably, is the biggest day for wildfires, with 7,762 fires ignited on that date over the 21-year study period.


They are certainly not all arson.

You're trying to introduce nuance. Blob supporters don't do nuance.

Ya...I keep forgetting...

We do try to stay on target though.

That seems to lose people.

 

[Coyote]

Its interesting that these arsonists aren't proud boys or boogaloos, or any of the other, mostly fictitious boogeymen that the libs are always demonizing. Instead, they are just garden variety libs and Biden supporters.

Prove it.

good lord. just go read the names of those arrested and look at their political activity in the last 6 months.

Ok. Show us. Links please.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Here's the first one.

michael-bakkela

Methhead, transient, criminal.

Tell me about his political ties.

let's be clear first...

you are no longer claiming global warming as an issue? I don't want to Chase around your side shows as we pin this down.

and 2 were attending BLM rallies as well for quite some time.

unchecked violence creates more violence.

Let's be clear and quit diverting and deflecting. Tell me about this guy's political ties.

 

[Coyote]

hmm...here is another one recently arrested: Man arrested after admitting he used Molotov cocktail to start brush fire in Portland
Not responsible for any of the large fires that they know of... but definitely a firebug. Being held for mental health eval. Probably explains a lot right there.

A couple more reported arrests...but apparently not related to the big fires.

Clackamas County: 2 arson arrests not connected to wildfires

Law enforcement agencies in Clackamas County released details Saturday about two recent arson arrests, debunking rumors that they may have been connected to wildfires in the area.

www.koin.com

Piatt is homeless confessed to lighting clothes on fire “get the attention of a person who wouldn’t speak with him.” They found a baggie of methamphetamine on him. He looks like a methhead.

Can't find any political activities these guys.

Here's another: Anita Esquivel Accused of Starting California Arson Fires Along Highway 101 in Salinas

Here's another: Jeff Acord, Black Lives Matter Supporter, Streamed His Arrest While Filming Washington Fire, who's fb posts support BLM, no Antifa links.

 

[iceberg]

hmm...here is another one recently arrested: Man arrested after admitting he used Molotov cocktail to start brush fire in Portland
Not responsible for any of the large fires that they know of... but definitely a firebug. Being held for mental health eval. Probably explains a lot right there.

A couple more reported arrests...but apparently not related to the big fires.

Clackamas County: 2 arson arrests not connected to wildfires

Law enforcement agencies in Clackamas County released details Saturday about two recent arson arrests, debunking rumors that they may have been connected to wildfires in the area.

www.koin.com

Piatt is homeless confessed to lighting clothes on fire “get the attention of a person who wouldn’t speak with him.” They found a baggie of methamphetamine on him. He looks like a methhead.

Can't find any political activities these guys.

Here's another: Anita Esquivel Accused of Starting California Arson Fires Along Highway 101 in Salinas

Here's another: Jeff Acord, Black Lives Matter Supporter, Streamed His Arrest While Filming Washington Fire, who's fb posts support BLM, no Antifa links.

Its interesting that these arsonists aren't proud boys or boogaloos, or any of the other, mostly fictitious boogeymen that the libs are always demonizing. Instead, they are just garden variety libs and Biden supporters.

Prove it.

good lord. just go read the names of those arrested and look at their political activity in the last 6 months.

Ok. Show us. Links please.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Here's the first one.

michael-bakkela

Methhead, transient, criminal.

Tell me about his political ties.

let's be clear first...

you are no longer claiming global warming as an issue? I don't want to Chase around your side shows as we pin this down.

and 2 were attending BLM rallies as well for quite some time.

unchecked violence creates more violence.

Let's be clear and quit diverting and deflecting. Tell me about this guy's political ties.

clear is what i am trying to be. your refusal to answer is something common associated with diverting and deflecting.

to date, i have seen you argue the fires were caused by global warming.
then bad gender reveal parties
now someone who's pictured at BLM protests... even someone in portland is now on record as being a "firebug" - yet you seem to feel it's out of line suspecting BLM/Antifa in this.

i simply wish to be clear - do you at least agree people are starting a vast majority of these fires? i simply do not want you to jump around as you common do when trying to ensure clairty.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm not sure any left or right wing extremist group is responsible. They aren't that smart to organize and set off fires. They groups only seem to know hand to hand combat and looting and setting fires inside cities. Setting fires out in the open would take to much brain power for narrow minded extremists.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not sure any left or right wing extremist group is responsible. They aren't that smart to organize and set off fires. They groups only seem to know hand to hand combat and looting and setting fires inside cities. Setting fires out in the open would take to much brain power for narrow minded extremists.

what's to organize? we have meth heads doing it. why would it be hard to fathom people with explosives and a 5+ month running history of tearing this up and burning things down won't go burn down trees and homes when they said that's what they are going to do?

 

[westwall]

I'm not sure any left or right wing extremist group is responsible. They aren't that smart to organize and set off fires. They groups only seem to know hand to hand combat and looting and setting fires inside cities. Setting fires out in the open would take to much brain power for narrow minded extremists.

Actually, they are. My friend who runs the DHS fusion center tells me they have lots of intel on the antifa/Black Bloc arson campaign.

 

[Coyote]

hmm...here is another one recently arrested: Man arrested after admitting he used Molotov cocktail to start brush fire in Portland
Not responsible for any of the large fires that they know of... but definitely a firebug. Being held for mental health eval. Probably explains a lot right there.

A couple more reported arrests...but apparently not related to the big fires.

Clackamas County: 2 arson arrests not connected to wildfires

Law enforcement agencies in Clackamas County released details Saturday about two recent arson arrests, debunking rumors that they may have been connected to wildfires in the area.

www.koin.com

Piatt is homeless confessed to lighting clothes on fire “get the attention of a person who wouldn’t speak with him.” They found a baggie of methamphetamine on him. He looks like a methhead.

Can't find any political activities these guys.

Here's another: Anita Esquivel Accused of Starting California Arson Fires Along Highway 101 in Salinas

Here's another: Jeff Acord, Black Lives Matter Supporter, Streamed His Arrest While Filming Washington Fire, who's fb posts support BLM, no Antifa links.

Its interesting that these arsonists aren't proud boys or boogaloos, or any of the other, mostly fictitious boogeymen that the libs are always demonizing. Instead, they are just garden variety libs and Biden supporters.

Prove it.

good lord. just go read the names of those arrested and look at their political activity in the last 6 months.

Ok. Show us. Links please.

In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Here's the first one.

michael-bakkela

Methhead, transient, criminal.

Tell me about his political ties.

let's be clear first...

you are no longer claiming global warming as an issue? I don't want to Chase around your side shows as we pin this down.

and 2 were attending BLM rallies as well for quite some time.

unchecked violence creates more violence.

Let's be clear and quit diverting and deflecting. Tell me about this guy's political ties.

clear is what i am trying to be. your refusal to answer is something common associated with diverting and deflecting.

to date, i have seen you argue the fires were caused by global warming.
then bad gender reveal parties
now someone who's pictured at BLM protests... even someone in portland is now on record as being a "firebug" - yet you seem to feel it's out of line suspecting BLM/Antifa in this.

i simply wish to be clear - do you at least agree people are starting a vast majority of these fires? i simply do not want you to jump around as you common do when trying to ensure clairty.

You don't simply wish to hear. If you want to be clear, read what I wrote instead of trolling which is what you are doing. If you really want to discuss something, you would attempt to substantiate your claim rather than deflect to other parts of the discussion.

Climate change plays a role in the intensity of the fires as does forest management, and the spread of human habitation into previously uninhabited areas which plays a role in the total damage costs of the fires. Unintentional human activity is responsible for most of the fires, but of that only a small portion is actually arson. That is per the articles I linked to.

If you are going to simply troll, I'll go back to ignoring you.