There is an active shooter at a Florida Highschool

[kaz]

No one is pumping fists over kids dying.

The problem is, when one of these events happens gun rights people say it isn't the time to talk about new laws... but when is? Next week when the next shooting happens? Or the week after that? Or maybe the week after that?

Congress won't even pass a law to prevent people on terrorist watch lists from buying guns.

I'm a 'gun rights' guy... I think it's time for new laws.... of the top of my head I think the 'reciprocity carry' legislation is spot on... I can give you a few more that I'd love to talk about if your so inclined...

I would be. I started a thread to get ideas like that. Would love to hear yours.

Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

Legislate that all 'gun free zones' have armed professionals guarding them. This would be cost prohibitive, discouraging 'GFZ's' in the first place, which is the best thing that we could hope for... legally armed citizenry free to carry in those "zones".

I agree with that on public property. Private property should be the rules of the owner

I thought that was just implicit... Yes, if your a private, non-commercial, property owner... 'carte blanche' on making it 'whatever zone' that floats your boat... like for instance, a 'progressive free zone'..

I didn't mean it as disputing you, only clarifying. I'm all for a good progressive free zone

 

[kaz]

No one is pumping fists over kids dying.

The problem is, when one of these events happens gun rights people say it isn't the time to talk about new laws... but when is? Next week when the next shooting happens? Or the week after that? Or maybe the week after that?

Congress won't even pass a law to prevent people on terrorist watch lists from buying guns.

Bull shit. The first thing the liberals did here was to run to the board and start a thread cheering the carnage. You know they love this, stop lying

And the first thing that Conservative did was to run to the board and blame it on Muslims, or immigrants.

Your side has no moral high ground here.

I looked at the start of the thread and I don't see that.

Generally it would have been a good bet, though not as much for a school shooting.

It's sick how the carnage keeps growing in these and it's the left who keeps insisting that we keep it safe for shooters to do so. Every time, no one is shooting back. The left's plans are working

See post #9. First page.

"Shooting back" is only a solution to people who watch too many action movies.

Lol. See how the left lies?

Yeah. People have never been protected by a good guy with a gun.

That's the sort of lies leftists tell when they want more innocent people to be killed, and when they want to remove ALL options of self defense.

It is incredible. Kids, teachers, administrators are being slaughtered, and he wants to make sure they are unarmed. I'm waiting for him to get to the part where only government employees can use guns safely. That is the true goal of the leftists. Only government should have guns

 

[basquebromance]

Has anyone blamed the shooter for the shooting yesterday?

 

[kaz]

Bull shit. The first thing the liberals did here was to run to the board and start a thread cheering the carnage. You know they love this, stop lying

You pick out one or two people for that, and I can point towards one or two on the other side stepping on the dead bodies of the kids to say they wouldn't have been killed if MORE people had guns.

There are probably some. But the left loves to politicize death, it's a huge thing to them.

There is no way to keep 300 million guns from a psycho. Just having a few guns among unknown admins and teachers and the shooting not knowing which ones would have saved a lot of lives and likely prevented the shooting.

There's an obvious reason why the vast number of shootings are in so called gun free zones. Problem being that sign is a "criminals come here" sign. Law abiding citizens are the ones who abide by the law. Who saw that coming?

Leftists want only government to be armed. Are they cheering the propaganda for this? You betcha, most of them are

Yes there is a real good reason so many shootings happen in gun free zones... it's because they are places that are often the most vulnerable for people to kill people. But if he hadn't had access to an AR-15... chances are he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people.

The only reason that was effective was because he could freely run around the halls knowing no one was going to be able to shoot back. That is the primary issue. And that is specifically what I'm blaming leftists for, making murderers safer.

Think about that. If you know there are roughly five guns in a school and has no idea who has them, you aren't going to run around the halls shooting people like this kid did

So having bullets flying in 2 directions with people running all around would be safer? REALLY? You've watched too many action movies. School teachers aren't exactly Annie Oakley.

So you think:

1) A single armed person who is actually aiming and shooting at unarmed people like a duck in a shooting gallery

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2) The risk someone shooting back hits a bystander

You are functionally insane. You inner city liberal zombies who live in lofts in places like Soho just have no idea what you are talking about. I grew up in Michigan where there were guns everywhere. I only ever heard one shooting of a person, and that was a man who murdered his wife. There's no way to stop that if that's what they decide to do.

Gun owners are overwhelmingly responsible people who appreciate guns and recognize how to handle them safely.

You're in a hell of a lot more danger every time you put down your white whine spritzer and walk out of your loft into the surrounding urban jungle, where BTW, guns are banned ...

 

[depotoo]

Has anyone blamed the shooter for the shooting yesterday?

I know I have. Others want to blame anything but him it seems.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Should has EVERYTHING to do with it.

This is AMERICA, (insert your preferred Deity here) Damn it!!

We should be capable of maintaining an effective government that truly protects it's citizens and their freedoms.

The fact that we don't, especially right now, I lay at the feet of a congress controlled by Gerrymander-safe republicans who're unwilling or unable to discuss the issues for fear of losing the ca$h that keeps the machine greased.

"Should" does not mean "Can" ... Captain Obvious.

The government isn't doing what they are required to do ... Much less what they should do.
You are stupid if you think we should grant them the power to do more of what they are already failing at.

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Part of it is reducing powers... Like the power that congress has to tax you differently from the way I'm taxed...

Part of it is removing from all state legislatures the power to redraw congressional districts in ways that favor one political party over another.

A lot of it will be educating people to understand that government is a tool, and not a slimy monster to be loathed from a distance.

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[toobfreak]

If that were to be the case....the news rooms across the country would be busy all night scrubbing all of their video and coverage of this shooting........

Left is going to use this shooting (just like any other) to push for anti-gun narrative. Before they do, they should remember that they are the ones who radicalized people like this.

When all the smoke clears, I'm betting that the shooter is once again found to have ties with and or alliances with the democratic party, Obama supporter, or his parents are. These people never turn out to be moral, upstanding, conservatives. As to other countries, what they don't have is American Common Core Public Schools turning out violent kids looking to come back to "get even" with all of their dysfunctional teachers and classmates who put this need to murder in their minds.

WHEN will schools finally be held accountable for not protecting these kids by locking the doors, having metal detectors and having teachers and guards throughout the school who are well-armed and well-trained with firearms? The problem is obviously NOT THE GUNS, but our unfamiliarity with them anymore by a liberal culture trying to remove them from people's lives. WE have created a generation of defenseless people who know nothing but how to hide in terror under a desk.

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

It is not about liberal upbringing vs. conservative upbringing. It's not a political or right/left thing. You aren't wrong that a stable family is pretty important to kids, but you're totally wrong to politicize who is "right" and who is "wrong."

You know Old Lady, I'm not trying to "politicize" anything, just giving some hard facts about cause and motivation. But while I might not always agree with you, you are one of the few people I consider "Leftist" or "Liberal" on this board that I can respect, talk to and reason with. Frankly, I'm sick of talking about the topic. NONE OF THIS will stop a single killing or bring one kid back.

 

[Flash]

[Q



So why did you buy one?

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None of your fucking business Moon Bat.

The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms and has no qualifications to it like having to justify it to you stupid pussy Moon Bats.

I have 27 AR-15s. If you don't like it then you can kiss my Cracker ass.

27 of them.

Oh no, you don't have any mental issues.

That alone should fail your background clearance.

Absolutely.

The Orlando shooter only had one. At 19, living with his relatives, a loner, bad luck with girls, weird behavior, "Make America Great Again" hat wearer, treated for mental illness, depressed because his mother recently died, yeah and he bought the gun legally.

In this era of so much cultish gun worship, his relatives didn't even wonder wtf this young AR-15 owner needed a military assault style rifle.

On a world that cares about school kids and movie goers and open air concert goers right to live a full life that kid gets no where near owning an assault rifle and extra clips.

I wonder if his rejatives learned anything from this experience.

Whoever manufactured this weapon and the train of organizations that profited off legally selling it to him should start paying a tax to cover all the deaths and injury. And they should be sued and start paying directly for the injuries this young gun cult murderer caused.

And our 27 AR-15 owning cracker probably should get checked or watched by authorities. Seriously soon if he has a hard time keeping a meaningful relationship with a woman or any other normal people that have not armed themselves for war,

He also wore Communist shirts. You know, like you Moon Bats do.

 

[Dr Grump]

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He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

I don't think so..

I don't really care what you think All "White Supremacists" where T-Shirts filled wit the images of the Left's Greatest heroes.

?? I was talking about his cap. This was taken from his facebook page.

And whatever you say, white supremacists are inherently anti liberal. Big time.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yeah, you assclowns speculate that every single time and then when it usually turns out to be another white guy you crawl back into your holes not to be heard from.

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

That isn't him, stupid. That pic has already been debunked and there has been no proof he is a registered Democrat.

Prove it twit. Your opinion is worth shit.

Your own article admitted it was a hoax, you dumbass

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I am going to speculate this is Islamic terrorism. Parkland Florida has a large Muslim population.

Yeah, you assclowns speculate that every single time and then when it usually turns out to be another white guy you crawl back into your holes not to be heard from.

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

What Horseshit!

 

[Doc1]

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

That isn't him, stupid. That pic has already been debunked and there has been no proof he is a registered Democrat.

Prove it twit. Your opinion is worth shit.

Your own article admitted it was a hoax, you dumbass

Is he or is he not wearing the T-Shirt kid?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

[Q



So why did you buy one?

.

None of your fucking business Moon Bat.

The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms and has no qualifications to it like having to justify it to you stupid pussy Moon Bats.

I have 27 AR-15s. If you don't like it then you can kiss my Cracker ass.

27 of them.

Oh no, you don't have any mental issues.

That alone should fail your background clearance.

Absolutely.

The Orlando shooter only had one. At 19, living with his relatives, a loner, bad luck with girls, weird behavior, "Make America Great Again" hat wearer, treated for mental illness, depressed because his mother recently died, yeah and he bought the gun legally.

In this era of so much cultish gun worship, his relatives didn't even wonder wtf this young AR-15 owner needed a military assault style rifle.

On a world that cares about school kids and movie goers and open air concert goers right to live a full life that kid gets no where near owning an assault rifle and extra clips.

I wonder if his rejatives learned anything from this experience.

Whoever manufactured this weapon and the train of organizations that profited off legally selling it to him should start paying a tax to cover all the deaths and injury. And they should be sued and start paying directly for the injuries this young gun cult murderer caused.

And our 27 AR-15 owning cracker probably should get checked or watched by authorities. Seriously soon if he has a hard time keeping a meaningful relationship with a woman or any other normal people that have not armed themselves for war,

He also wore Communist shirts. You know, like you Moon Bats do.

Jesus Christ, how many times are you fuck tards going to keep circulating that photograph? That's NOT him. His mug shot is all over the Internet now and the guy in this picture is not him.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

That isn't him, stupid. That pic has already been debunked and there has been no proof he is a registered Democrat.

Prove it twit. Your opinion is worth shit.

Your own article admitted it was a hoax, you dumbass

Is he or is he not wearing the T-Shirt kid?

I don't know what Nikolas Cruz is wearing. That's not Nikolas Cruz.

 

[depotoo]

[

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

I don't think so..

I don't really care what you think All "White Supremacists" where T-Shirts filled wit the images of the Left's Greatest heroes.

?? I was talking about his cap. This was taken from his facebook page.

And whatever you say, white supremacists are inherently anti liberal. Big time.

We can’t even tell if that is him, but this one we can-

 

[kaz]

You're not a liberal? Saw the error of your ways?

How would any of those prevent school shootings?

There is one way to do that. Allow admins and techers to arm themselves if they choose. That would make shooters think twice about doing it and make them a lot more hesitant to run around shooting people.

Conservatives recognize that, leftists want more carnage and do everything they can to get it. They use every shooting to push for making it easier for the next shooter to safely kill more people. To say they don't realize what they are doing is disingenuous and doesn't make them not responsible for the reality of what they do

Because it has been proven time and time again in other countries that rules and regs make the chances of these things happening must less probable.

Acutally with your last paragraph that is untrue. Nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Nothing. Thus you still have mass shootings.

Of course there is. There are more and more gun laws, and more and more shooters with no one shooting back.

So seriously, if your kids were in that school, you'd be glued to the live TV reporting saying, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun ...

I'd be saying, I hope someone wastes the little prick

 

[Doc1]

I am going to speculate this is Islamic terrorism. Parkland Florida has a large Muslim population.

Yeah, you assclowns speculate that every single time and then when it usually turns out to be another white guy you crawl back into your holes not to be heard from.

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

What Horseshit!

Well sure, ALL "white supremacists" wear T-Shirts adorned with the faces of all the Great Lefty's of the past. What a maroon.

 

[Lastamender]

Yeah, you assclowns speculate that every single time and then when it usually turns out to be another white guy you crawl back into your holes not to be heard from.

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

What Horseshit!

Well sure, ALL "white supremacists" wear T-Shirts adorned with the faces of all the Great Lefty's of the past. What a maroon.

What did you Che?

 

[kaz]

You're not a liberal? Saw the error of your ways?

How would any of those prevent school shootings?

There is one way to do that. Allow admins and techers to arm themselves if they choose. That would make shooters think twice about doing it and make them a lot more hesitant to run around shooting people.

Conservatives recognize that, leftists want more carnage and do everything they can to get it. They use every shooting to push for making it easier for the next shooter to safely kill more people. To say they don't realize what they are doing is disingenuous and doesn't make them not responsible for the reality of what they do

Because it has been proven time and time again in other countries that rules and regs make the chances of these things happening must less probable.

Acutally with your last paragraph that is untrue. Nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Nothing. Thus you still have mass shootings.

That's nice...


plan on just requesting people turn in their semi-auto firearms, or go house to house to collect them?

(what are the odds of them getting any turned in in Chicago)

Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yeah, you assclowns speculate that every single time and then when it usually turns out to be another white guy you crawl back into your holes not to be heard from.

Look at the facts. What else would you think? You are the assKlown here, and I am hardly in a hole here.

Gonna admit you were wrong now or are you crawling back into your hole?

Florida school shooting suspect linked to white supremacist group: ADL

He is a registered Democrat and here is his pic for you.

View attachment 176942

What Horseshit!

Well sure, ALL "white supremacists" wear T-Shirts adorned with the faces of all the Great Lefty's of the past. What a maroon.

Okay, retard, even if that was Cruz in that picture, which it isn't, that t-shirt is mocking the Communist Party. It's satire. It's a bunch of Communists partying, get it? Communist Party? They sell those same shirts for the Republican Party and the Democratic Party as well. It's a joke.

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