There is an active shooter at a Florida Highschool

[Dr Grump]

Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

Posted by a friend of mine in Sydney, who is a New Yorker. He wondered in his post that maybe the reason wasn't guns, maybe it was the water....

 

[kaz]

You're not a liberal? Saw the error of your ways?

How would any of those prevent school shootings?

There is one way to do that. Allow admins and techers to arm themselves if they choose. That would make shooters think twice about doing it and make them a lot more hesitant to run around shooting people.

Conservatives recognize that, leftists want more carnage and do everything they can to get it. They use every shooting to push for making it easier for the next shooter to safely kill more people. To say they don't realize what they are doing is disingenuous and doesn't make them not responsible for the reality of what they do

Because it has been proven time and time again in other countries that rules and regs make the chances of these things happening must less probable.

Acutally with your last paragraph that is untrue. Nothing has changed as far as I can tell. Nothing. Thus you still have mass shootings.

That's nice...


plan on just requesting people turn in their semi-auto firearms, or go house to house to collect them?

(what are the odds of them getting any turned in in Chicago)

Good way to get shot

Shhh. Criminals in New Zealand follow the law. I mean it would be simply uncouth for a New Zealand criminal to do anything illegal. Dr. Grump doesn't realize yet that here they don't. And he's not ready to deal with that yet

 

[Flash]

The shooter in Florida passed a Federal background check. Just another great example of how worthless background checks are.

Stupid Liberal idea that never works.

Liberals never get anything right.

So your remedy is what? No background checks. Big on calling liberals stupid, but small on any solutions of your own.

Make these assault rifles hard as hell to get and we won't have to worry if a background check fails.

Your precious government that you liberals love more than life itself failed the kids killed yesterday.

The government failed with its stupid and silly background check. The shooter passed the NCIS background check. Background checks don't work. They do nothing to stop the bad guys or even the mentally ill. We also saw that in Texas, and in DC, didn't we? Background checks are only placebos to placate you stupid Moon Bats.

The FBI failed the kids. They knew the shooter was a potentially dangerous nutcase but typical for government they were incompetent in dealing with the issue. I guess they were too busy spying on Trump because of the fake dossier the Democrats paid the Russians to create.

The government failed the kids by making the school a silly "gun free zone". None of the teachers had the ability to protect themselves or the students because self defense firearms were not allowed.

Of course the things you stupid Moon Bats are demanding are even more government regulations that won't work.

Liberal idiots!

 

[OldLady]

Left is going to use this shooting (just like any other) to push for anti-gun narrative. Before they do, they should remember that they are the ones who radicalized people like this.

When all the smoke clears, I'm betting that the shooter is once again found to have ties with and or alliances with the democratic party, Obama supporter, or his parents are. These people never turn out to be moral, upstanding, conservatives. As to other countries, what they don't have is American Common Core Public Schools turning out violent kids looking to come back to "get even" with all of their dysfunctional teachers and classmates who put this need to murder in their minds.

WHEN will schools finally be held accountable for not protecting these kids by locking the doors, having metal detectors and having teachers and guards throughout the school who are well-armed and well-trained with firearms? The problem is obviously NOT THE GUNS, but our unfamiliarity with them anymore by a liberal culture trying to remove them from people's lives. WE have created a generation of defenseless people who know nothing but how to hide in terror under a desk.

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

It is not about liberal upbringing vs. conservative upbringing. It's not a political or right/left thing. You aren't wrong that a stable family is pretty important to kids, but you're totally wrong to politicize who is "right" and who is "wrong."

You know Old Lady, I'm not trying to "politicize" anything, just giving some hard facts about cause and motivation. But while I might not always agree with you, you are one of the few people I consider "Leftist" or "Liberal" on this board that I can respect, talk to and reason with. Frankly, I'm sick of talking about the topic. NONE OF THIS will stop a single killing or bring one kid back.

I needed that after a day on gun threads. Thanks. But don't give up. I agree with you about a lot of what you said, and we can't depend on the government to do any of this. It's going to be up to us.

 

[MarcATL]

I am going to speculate this is Islamic terrorism. Parkland Florida has a large Muslim population.

Majority of mass shooters in America are white. So chances, it is a white male.

Also the fact they aren't releasing the name is further proof he is white.

Very astute.

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[kaz]

You pick out one or two people for that, and I can point towards one or two on the other side stepping on the dead bodies of the kids to say they wouldn't have been killed if MORE people had guns.

There are probably some. But the left loves to politicize death, it's a huge thing to them.

There is no way to keep 300 million guns from a psycho. Just having a few guns among unknown admins and teachers and the shooting not knowing which ones would have saved a lot of lives and likely prevented the shooting.

There's an obvious reason why the vast number of shootings are in so called gun free zones. Problem being that sign is a "criminals come here" sign. Law abiding citizens are the ones who abide by the law. Who saw that coming?

Leftists want only government to be armed. Are they cheering the propaganda for this? You betcha, most of them are

Yes there is a real good reason so many shootings happen in gun free zones... it's because they are places that are often the most vulnerable for people to kill people. But if he hadn't had access to an AR-15... chances are he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people.

The only reason that was effective was because he could freely run around the halls knowing no one was going to be able to shoot back. That is the primary issue. And that is specifically what I'm blaming leftists for, making murderers safer.

Think about that. If you know there are roughly five guns in a school and has no idea who has them, you aren't going to run around the halls shooting people like this kid did

So having bullets flying in 2 directions with people running all around would be safer? REALLY? You've watched too many action movies. School teachers aren't exactly Annie Oakley.

So, what should we do then? Let it happen?

Step 1) Let it happen

Step 2) Use every death to demand more gun laws even though it was in a gun free zone, in a gun regulated city and murder is illegal. We need more laws!!!!

The goal is for only government to have guns. 17 lives is a small price to pay, no matter how many times it happens

 

[IsaacNewton]

Dr Morbius' denial is more like the denial of the filthy Democrats in Chicago who think their strict gun control laws will magically stop crime.

Why do you harp on Chicago when there are 24 worse cities in the U.S. for gun deaths?

Because every year there are almost 1,000 gun deaths in a city with the strictest gun control laws in the country. It is the poster child for the failure of gun control laws and the pandering by the liberal Democrats to the demographics that are the by far main perpetrators of crimes.

However, if your point is that Chicago is not the only Democrat run big city shithole in the US then you are correct. Just look at an election result map from 2016 and the blue splotches are where most of the gun crimes take place. .

Passing really strict gun laws that can be enforced is not possible in this country because people support them about the way people supported Prohibition.

Secondly, the 2nd amendment and various court interpretation prevent the closure of loopholes in the laws. There's a video running on the net by the maker of a gun kit that proudly announces they are able get around serializing their guns since the final construction is by the buyer. So the police will not be able to trace them. Wow, what a boon for the gangs. Then there are the plastic guns that can fool metal detectors.

Lastly, we are a violent society. We claim to hate it but in fact we thrive on, whether it's the latest school shooting, cop shooting, or mass suicide we just can't get enough of it. It's glamorized in movies, books, and TV. Kids have been so desensitized to violence that the most terrible crimes makes no impression on them at all.

330 million people in this country. That includes a lot of nutcases.

Taking rights away from the great majority of the people in this country will do nothing to stop the nut jobs but will greatly damage Liberty.

We don't need take rights away from anybody to make our schools more secure.

Then why isn't it legal to own dynamite generally. You tired old arguments have run out. No one gives a shit about your whining about 'gun rights'. Your the only derps who think anyone wants to ban all guns because gun clingons see conspiracy in everything to begin with. It's you, not everyone else.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

With this shooter surviving, perhaps he can be used to increase the understanding of what makes them tick?

He recently lost his mother. His father at age 6.

 

[kaz]

Another mentally ill person who everybody knew was a threat..and yet who wasn't institutionalized before he killed people.

Cuz leftists think the inmates should run the asylum. They WANT crazy people to shoot up schools, because it justifies their demands that we remove guns from the population.

Gun nut move #1 . Immediately declare that any gun control = a total ban on guns .

Anti-gun nut move #1. Declare that the goal of gun control is not to totally ban guns even though it is

Just like banning tanks and bazookas is a total gun ban. Really. It is.

That made no sense and doesn't make any point. And why should tanks or bazookas be banned?

 

[Flash]

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So why did you buy one?

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None of your fucking business Moon Bat.

The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms and has no qualifications to it like having to justify it to you stupid pussy Moon Bats.

I have 27 AR-15s. If you don't like it then you can kiss my Cracker ass.

27 of them.

Oh no, you don't have any mental issues.

That alone should fail your background clearance.

Absolutely.

The Orlando shooter only had one. At 19, living with his relatives, a loner, bad luck with girls, weird behavior, "Make America Great Again" hat wearer, treated for mental illness, depressed because his mother recently died, yeah and he bought the gun legally.

In this era of so much cultish gun worship, his relatives didn't even wonder wtf this young AR-15 owner needed a military assault style rifle.

On a world that cares about school kids and movie goers and open air concert goers right to live a full life that kid gets no where near owning an assault rifle and extra clips.

I wonder if his rejatives learned anything from this experience.

Whoever manufactured this weapon and the train of organizations that profited off legally selling it to him should start paying a tax to cover all the deaths and injury. And they should be sued and start paying directly for the injuries this young gun cult murderer caused.

And our 27 AR-15 owning cracker probably should get checked or watched by authorities. Seriously soon if he has a hard time keeping a meaningful relationship with a woman or any other normal people that have not armed themselves for war,

He also wore Communists shirts. You know, like you Moon Bats do.

OH look ANTIFA

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Meet Nicholas Cruz, the Florida school mass murderer and registered Democrat. When are we going to admit political correctness is the reason for all the violent shit happening? Again, fuck commies.


Just what you LEFTIST FKN COMMIES LIKE notice the shirt..........

At the end of the day it doesn't make any different if he was a right wing nutcase or a left wing nutcase.

He was a nutcase that passed a federal background check and did a horrendous thing because he was crazy and disturbed.

 

[ChrisL]

So killing 13 with a single shot or small capacity internal magazine is some how more acceptable to you than killing with a semiautomatic rifle?

And let's just state for the record that less than 1% of murders take place in mass shooting events and rifles of any kind are used in only about 2% of all murders

Every little bit helps

Mass killings are acts of terror ...why do we continue to provide them with the tools that maximize their killing ability?

I don't provide guns to anyone.

And the fact that I happen to own guns has absolutely nothing to do with murders, mass shooting or suicides

Most legal gun owners never shoot or kill anyone. These people are just full of hyperbole, trying to blame ALL gun owners for the actions of some crazy peeps.

So, if they can do that, then we can do the same with Muslims. It is about faith (religion) which is a constitutional right (like the 2nd amendment), yet some of these people are ABUSING it and using it as an excuse (an ideology) to kill or terrorize others.

And THIS is just one more facet of banning things because of what some loons might do. You cannot control the loony people with laws. It is just a fact of life that there are going to be some crazy people in life who will freak out and do some terrible things. It is a flaw of the human condition.

The beauty of this incident is the clear cut responsibility. We, The People allowed this particular crazy to obtain an AR-15 and all the ammo he could carry.

We can't deny people their rights based on what they might do, but We can limit the scope of dangerous toys available in general, and We can do a better job of vetting and properly licensing who can and who cannot own and operate such dangerous tools, toys and machines.

I take no responsibility for what this guy did because I have absolutely no culpability

A person who has it in his mind that he is going to kill a bunch of people is going to go out and kill a bunch of people. That is what it boils down to. Just like laws against murder aren't much of a deterrent to him, neither are laws against any particular weapons. He will just find another way or get the weapon of his choice through the black market where there are NO background checks and where the weapons are harder to trace.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

Posted by a friend of mine in Sydney, who is a New Yorker. He wondered in his post that maybe the reason wasn't guns, maybe it was the water....

That tells us what?

 

[kaz]

That's odd. When someone points out that any of the teachers having a gun could have saved lives,

That's an opinion. No data to support it

OMG, that's funny. You made me laugh out loud. But kaz, how would other people having guns and shooting back at the shooter save lives? I don't get it.

Picking a user idea that anyone's not fooling you was a bad idea. A very bad one

 

[ErikViking]

With this shooter surviving, perhaps he can be used to increase the understanding of what makes them tick?

He recently lost his mother. His father at age 6.

It happens, doesn’t make people kill others like that.

Perhaps by carefully interviewing we can get to know how such indifference towards others come to be?

This is more or less an American problem. Today. But if it’s one thing the US does well it is spreading the lifestyle.

So information is vital to all western nations.

 

[kaz]

So is this a news story until midnight today or is that too much coverage and infringement on an Amendment2cultist right to worship weapons and watch school kids die?

CC news media. Move on. No news here.

That's odd. When someone points out that any of the teachers having a gun could have saved lives, the leftists all come out and say their objection is that politicing is too soon after the shooting.

Yet here you are, and where are they? OMG, you're not saying they were lying are you? Are you calling leftists liars? Interesting.

And your name should be "FooledbyO"

kaz, post: 19290485

That's odd. When someone points out that any of the teachers having a gun could have saved lives,

That's an opinion. No data to support it. Should there be loaded AR15's in all the halls and classrooms like fire extinguishers or just certain teachers fully weaponized to match what any potential attacker can bring?

Do you have any concept of the chaos police units would encounter with your plan to make schools heavily armed anetuerd in war zones.

All in the name of gun cult members right to worship military assault style weapons.

You win. Kids right to life does not take precedence over your right to play with weapons designed for military combat and killing as many humans as possible.

You should be happy that this story will die almost as fast as the students did and nobody does anything as you wish.

You guys always say that cops won't be able to tell armed good guys from the bad guys...and yet, in actual mass shootings.....Dallas black lives matter killer, the Texas church shooter.....the cops didn't shoot the good guys with the guns, and the good guys didn't shoot the cops...

You guys say this stuff by pulling it out of your ass, but it has no basis in the real world....

The AR-15 is not a military weapon....6 shot revolvers and bolt action rifles are military weapons....try to keep up.

The leftists are all so stupid that while the shooter was killing them in the hall, they'd have been looking around in terror that someone was going to shoot at the shooter and hit them by mistake. At least that's what they claim

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why do you harp on Chicago when there are 24 worse cities in the U.S. for gun deaths?

Because every year there are almost 1,000 gun deaths in a city with the strictest gun control laws in the country. It is the poster child for the failure of gun control laws and the pandering by the liberal Democrats to the demographics that are the by far main perpetrators of crimes.

However, if your point is that Chicago is not the only Democrat run big city shithole in the US then you are correct. Just look at an election result map from 2016 and the blue splotches are where most of the gun crimes take place. .

Passing really strict gun laws that can be enforced is not possible in this country because people support them about the way people supported Prohibition.

Secondly, the 2nd amendment and various court interpretation prevent the closure of loopholes in the laws. There's a video running on the net by the maker of a gun kit that proudly announces they are able get around serializing their guns since the final construction is by the buyer. So the police will not be able to trace them. Wow, what a boon for the gangs. Then there are the plastic guns that can fool metal detectors.

Lastly, we are a violent society. We claim to hate it but in fact we thrive on, whether it's the latest school shooting, cop shooting, or mass suicide we just can't get enough of it. It's glamorized in movies, books, and TV. Kids have been so desensitized to violence that the most terrible crimes makes no impression on them at all.

330 million people in this country. That includes a lot of nutcases.

Taking rights away from the great majority of the people in this country will do nothing to stop the nut jobs but will greatly damage Liberty.

We don't need take rights away from anybody to make our schools more secure.

Then why isn't it legal to own dynamite generally. You tired old arguments have run out. No one gives a shit about your whining about 'gun rights'. Your the only derps who think anyone wants to ban all guns because gun clingons see conspiracy in everything to begin with. It's you, not everyone else.

Since when can't you legally own dynamite ?

 

[kaz]

So is this a news story until midnight today or is that too much coverage and infringement on an Amendment2cultist right to worship weapons and watch school kids die?

CC news media. Move on. No news here.

That's odd. When someone points out that any of the teachers having a gun could have saved lives, the leftists all come out and say their objection is that politicing is too soon after the shooting.

Yet here you are, and where are they? OMG, you're not saying they were lying are you? Are you calling leftists liars? Interesting.

And your name should be "FooledbyO"

kaz, post: 19290485

That's odd. When someone points out that any of the teachers having a gun could have saved lives,

That's an opinion. No data to support it. Should there be loaded AR15's in all the halls and classrooms like fire extinguishers or just certain teachers fully weaponized to match what any potential attacker can bring?

Do you have any concept of the chaos police units would encounter with your plan to make schools heavily armed anetuerd in war zones.

All in the name of gun cult members right to worship military assault style weapons.

You win. Kids right to life does not take precedence over your right to play with weapons designed for military combat and killing as many humans as possible.

You should be happy that this story will die almost as fast as the students did and nobody does anything as you wish.

This ridiculous counter-argument always makes me laugh... Yes, of course, the teachers who choose to carry in order to protect their students would go off willy nilly shooting randomly at innocent children. [/sarc]

Meanwhile back in the /real/ world, we have reports that two teachers at this school legit took bullets in order to protect their students; do you seriously believe that these teachers (one of whom has reportedly sacrificed his life) would have been so reckless and careless with a gun had they been allowed to have them?

Do you believe that /any/ teacher would be so reckless and careless with a gun? And if so then why the fuck are they being allowed around our damned kids in the first place?

Your argument is bullshit son.

They're a bunch of inner city leftists who have no idea what the actual gun owning communities are like. FooledbyO once touched a gun. He squealed like a school girl and passed out

 

[2aguy]

Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

Posted by a friend of mine in Sydney, who is a New Yorker. He wondered in his post that maybe the reason wasn't guns, maybe it was the water....

That tells us what?




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Australian gun crime is going up....our gun crime is going down......they have almost had numerous mass public shootings....the only thing that kept them from being mass public shootings...the shooter chose not to shoot more people, or he was a bad shot.........

It is a lie that Australian gun control stopped their mass shootings, or their gun crime......don't believe it...

Keep in mind...whenever an anti gunner claims Australian gun laws stopped their mass public shootings...ask them how their gun laws stopped these shootings from becoming mass public shootings...since the shooter had guns in a public place and was shooting people........

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
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• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

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2000s[edit]

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
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• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
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• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, Americans have always had access to weapons and mass shootings are a relatively recent problem, so access to firearms is not the underlying issue. There IS an underlying issue though, obviously.

 

[Dr Grump]

Of course there is. There are more and more gun laws, and more and more shooters with no one shooting back.

So seriously, if your kids were in that school, you'd be glued to the live TV reporting saying, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun, I hope no one else has a gun ...

I'd be saying, I hope someone wastes the little prick

No, I'm thinking "I don't have to worry about that shit where I live."